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How did GNN get started?

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Shortly after, GNN rounded out the core partnership with reporter Anthony Lappé; and investment banker-turned-producer Ian Inaba. Since 2000, GNN has grown from its critical mass audience from approximately an initial 300 unique visitors/day to an average of 25,000 and a high of over 300,000. Their first DVD compilation, Ammo For The Info-Warrior (play trailer: broadband, mediumband) features NewsVideos that have received hundreds of thousands of views on the net and been shown in film festivals and on television networks around the world. Among them is the Sundance-award winning short, Crack The CIA and the 2003 Media That Matters Film Festival Media Activism Award winner, Copwatch. In 2003, they produced AfterMath, a 30-min. documentary investigating the unanswered questions surrounding 9/11. Since its release, AfterMath has played in festivals and at public venues across the United States and Europe and has been translated into four languages.

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GNN's first book, True Lies (Plume) hits the shelves in October 2004. For reviews and info about media appearances by the authors go here.

GNN's first feature-length documentary, BattleGround: 21 Days on the Empire's Edge, recently won the Silver Hugo Award at the 2004 Chicago International Film Festival. To watch the trailer and for info about upcoming screenings go here.

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Ian Inaba

Ian is a writer, producer and director. Ian has a wide range of experience in media creation, technology production as well as marketing and business development. He brings this wealth of experience to all of his productions, from music videos and documentary films, to investigative reports and next-generation technology projects. Over the past four years Ian has transformed from a strategic advisor and creative consultant to a director and producer of highly controversial and informative media projects. Most recently, he directed the music video for Eminem's "Mosh" and contributed to GNN's first book True Lies. His GNN blog, Earning Man, can be found here.

Ian has served as the CEO of Switch Technologies a technology and media development group in Berkeley, Ca. He was also previously a software executive for Check Point Software Technologies (NASD: CHKP) and an investment banker for Robertson, Stephens and Company. He is a graduate of the School of Engineering and Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania.

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Anthony is a writer and television producer who has written for more than twenty magazines and newspapers and has produced television news programming that has aired around the world. He has written for Black Book (where he was National Affairs Editor), Details, Gear, New York, Paper, The New York Times, and Salon, among many others. He currently writes a monthly column for Deng, a new Belgian news and entertainment magazine. In television, he worked as a correspondent for The New York Times Video News International (now NYT-TV), the world pioneer in small-format video-journalism. In 1996, he received two grants from the U.S. government to help train reporters from the Palestinian Broadcasting Corporation in the West Bank. Later, he was a breaking news producer for Worldwide Television News (WTN), a documentary producer for MTV News and Specials and Fuse. He is a graduate of NYU and the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. He is a frequent guest on Air America Radio and numerous other radio stations around the country. His GNN blog, The Bunker, can be found here.

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Since co-founding Guerrilla News Network in the summer of 2000, Stephen has directed over 15 short documentaries, many of which have been selected for film festivals around the world. In 2002, his Crack the CIA won its category at the Sundance Film Festival. Later that year, he was tapped by Interscope Records to direct animated videos for rappers Eminem and 50 Cent. His controversial music video, Closer, directed for UK's Soulsavers was selected for RESFest 2004.

In 2004, he wrapped production on two feature films: BattleGround: 21 Days on the Empire's Edge, a doc feature he shot, directed and edited about the American occupation of Iraq, and This Revolution, a political thriller starring Rosario Dawson, set at the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York. BattleGround won the Silver Hugo for Best Doc at the 2004 Chicago International Film Festival and This Revolution went on to premiere at Sundance 05. His first book, True Lies, co-authored with GNN's Anthony Lappe was published by Penguin/Plume in October 2004.

Over the span of his career, Stephen has traveled and worked in over sixty countries.

Josh Shore

Josh is a film/television producer, media/brand strategist, and developer of transformative enterprises. Prior to starting GNN, he created and produced assorted original television shows for USA Network, Showtime, MTV and MuchMusicUSA (now Fuse), in addition to producing and directing material for E! and Comedy Central. For Guerrilla News Network, he has split his time between producing and directing GNN media, working with different grant-makers to support the creation of original GNN productions, and developing various television initiatives that seek to bring the culture of GNN to a wider audience. Aside from his work in television and Web media, Josh has served as a strategist to various individuals, corporations and non-profit organizations, helping them to tailor their offerings, build out their brands, and develop new (r)evolutionary business opportunities. Headquartered in New York City, Josh is a graduate of the College of Arts & Sciences at the University of Pennsylvania. His GNN blog can be found here.

NAZI GOLD ON THE MOON!!!

2010-01-21T13:58:00.001-08:00

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Alex
(Commandante)
07/29/03 11:58 PM

NAZI GOLD ON THE MOON!!! #193738

NAZI GOLD ON THE MOON

(c) 1998 Hebrew Controlled Press

New York - Moshe Abrams, leader of the newly founded group,

Jews for Gold, has been demanding that NASA reactivate the

moon programs to find Gold hoarded by the Nazis after WWII.

Newly discovered documents have come to light that show that

the Nazis built UFOs and hid millions of tons of stolen tooth

Gold at Ancillis on the moon. Mr. Abrams has been demanding

that either the American government fund new moon trips, or at

least pay the equivalent in money. Mr. Abrams recently stated

that, "American lack of interest in this issue borders on Anti-

Semitism", but added, "we are glad that the US government

is at least discussing the idea of retrieving our stolen gold."

Nasa has been given special congressional support and US

President, Mr. Cokehead, has set up a special committee to

look into these allegations. In his weekly radio address,

the President stressed the need for "understanding and

tolerance" and added that the funds for any such programs

would not come from the public purse.

Scientists call the claims ridiculous, but added, "

the scientific community should not engage in Ani-Semitism

because there is a small probability that the claims are accurate".

Mr. Abrams was not available for comment.

(c) 1998 Hebrew Controlled Press.

http://www.aidd.org/
You see, when we are healthy, we respond to the presence of the hateful with fear and nausea.

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bl45ph3m3r #441
(Unregistered)
08/01/03 02:48 PM

Re: NAZI GOLD ON THE MOON!!! [re: Alex] #194608

sweet looking saucers them nazis had - how many trips did they take to the moon to get all those gold teeth up there?
they should make a Tv movie out of this one.

bl4$

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thewalrus
(Commandante)
08/01/03 05:37 PM

Re: NAZI GOLD ON THE MOON!!! [re: Alex] #194645

Cool movie.

I am The Walrus

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REDDY PEOPLES
(Commandante)
08/02/03 09:21 PM

Re: NAZI GOLD ON THE MOON!!! [re: Alex] #194894

LOL- If they had UFOs, they'd have won!

http://www.marxists.org/subject/students/index.htm
"Vsegda gotov"

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sparrot
(Guerrilla)
08/02/03 11:06 PM

Re: NAZI GOLD ON THE MOON!!! [re: REDDY PEOPLES] #194909

"If they had UFOs, they'd have won!"

they had jets.....they lost.
they had gas cannons....they lost.
they had propaganda....they lost.

if u have a UFO, u still have to arm it!
A UFO is just a vehicle type.
reasearch victor shauberger. he was a water scientist in forced reasearch for the germans at one time. Implosion.
Why were the germans looking into ancient sites aka raiders of the lost ark?

Also, foo fighters were reported often near end of war.

Ever played civ, developed worlds first nuke just before your last city is besieged?

The problem of leadership is inevitably: Who will play God?

Muad'Dib from the Oral History

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REDDY PEOPLES
(Commandante)
08/02/03 11:27 PM

Re: NAZI GOLD ON THE MOON!!! [re: sparrot] #194922

We had a lot of shit they didn't - and we certainly used propaganda as well.

I'm not argueing that SOME advantages is enough to win a war- I"m argueing that if one side had UFOs- the things that fly at ridiculous speeds and can stop on a dime- they would win simply on a basis of keeping pilots alive!

http://www.marxists.org/subject/students/index.htm
"Vsegda gotov"

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sparrot
(Guerrilla)
08/02/03 11:56 PM

Re: NAZI GOLD ON THE MOON!!! [re: REDDY PEOPLES] #194924

and im arguing that perhaps they had a prototype that was developed to late to enter into mass production.

The problem of leadership is inevitably: Who will play God?

Muad'Dib from the Oral History

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AngryTed
(Commandante)
08/03/03 05:03 AM

Re: NAZI GOLD ON THE MOON!!! [re: Alex] #194940

nazi's may have hidden gold on the moon but it's small price to pay for what they brought back.

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Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory

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Jason Gortician #590
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06/25/04 03:50 PM

Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory #310137

Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory

I am a relative newcomer to research on reptilian aliens and hollow earth theory. Personally, I refuse to believe these things are true. However, the more I research these matters in an attempt to disprove them, the more plausible they seem to become.
Once you become aware of reptilian and Masonic symbolism, you see it everywhere. To that end, I have launched Reptilian Watch (http://www.bedoper.com/reptilian), a small site devoted to this seemingly interconnected phenomenon.
I do find it interesting that reptiles, a division of the animal kingdom generally loved only by herpetologists and other specialized zoologists, seem to dominate popular culture. Logically, one would assume that animals that the majority find endearing, such as cats and dogs, would figure more predominantly. This is not the case, however.

“Seven or eleven, snake eyes watchin’ you” – Motorhead, “The Ace of Spades”
From The Rugrats’ ‘Reptar’, to ‘Land of the Lost’, to the alternative-industrial musical group Nine Inch Nails (“She has the blood of a reptile, just underneath the skin”), reptiles have captured our imagination unlike any other species. Perhaps it is because they differ from mammals in such a radical manner.
Of course, you do have a reptilian brain. It’s called the medulla oblongata. It’s at the base of your skull, and controls responses such as fear and anger. Our mammalian brain evolved on top of this basic part of our common ancestry. So, biologically, we seem to have evolved from reptiles. If you believe in evolution, anyway.

“He’s a cold-hearted snake, just look into his eyes” – Paula Abdul, ‘Cold-Hearted Snake”
Now, there are several people who claim to have seen reptilians in real life. Arizona Wilder and the author of ‘Trance Formation in America” both claim to have seen world leaders such as George Bush and Dick Cheney transform into reptilian aliens. They also claim that these people are child molesters who like to hunt people for sport. One has to wonder how these books can be sold on Amazon.com and not cause the authors to be sued for libel. That doesn’t mean these claims are true, but it certainly makes one wonder.
My Theory
Schizophrenics and people on LSD, at times, experience a condition known as synthesia. This is when you see music or taste emotion, and generally have your five senses scrambled. It’s a fabulously interesting area of abnormal psychology.
I posit that this sort of experience can be extended to “reptilians”. Isn’t it possible that extraordinarily sensitive people may literally view some as reptilians? In other words, could someone who is schizophrenic, or on psychedelics, see someone whom they consider cold and emotionless reveal their “true” form?
I believe this to be at least as plausible as the presence of actual reptilian aliens. I find this theory comforting, as I have seen myself transform into a female reptilian in the mirror. Of course, I was schizophrenic due to a massive intake of LSD. So, only one or the other theories can be true, and I refuse to believe that I may be a reptilian alien.
My mind does remain open to the possibility, however…

Our Hollow Earth
“The Lost World”, “Journey to the Center of the Earth”, “At The Earth’s Core”. These and other classics of literature fired my imagination at an early age. Little did I know that these books were inspired by an early proponent of hollow earth theory in the beginning of the 1800s.
I must confess, I originally found hollow earth theory even less plausible than the idea of shape-shifting reptilian aliens. After all, everyone knows that the earth contains a molten core. Right?
However, the earth is also supposed to be billions of years old. How, short of a nuclear reaction, could the earth remain hot inside for this period of time? Seeing as how so many commonly accepted beliefs are later proven to be false, hollow earth theory could be the modern equivalent of the previous century’s heliocentric theory. I understand the Catholic Church only apologized to Galileo a few years ago, finally conceding that the earth does indeed revolve around the sun, and not the reverse.
There seem to be two problems with hollow earth theory: volcanoes and an inner sun. For now, I have no other explanation for the presence of volcanic activity. However, that begs the question: where does this molten inner core get oxygen to fuel this eternal flame?

“Black hole sun, won’t you come, and wash away the rain?” – Soundgarden, ‘Black Hole Sun”
I found support for the concept of an inner sun in an unlikely place. Stephen W. Hawking, largely considered to have discovered the black hole phenomenon, and almost certainly not a believer of an inner world and reptilian aliens, drops a few gems of knowledge related to this idea in “A Brief History of Time”.
On page 108, Dr. Hawking reveals that some black holes are not black, but white hot, and actually emit energy. Furthermore, he says “If you had one of these black holes on the surface of the earth, there would be no way to stop it from falling through the floor to the center of the earth. It would oscillate through the earth and back, until eventually it settled down at the center.”
So there you have it. If you are a strict rationalist and believer in science, you must concede at least the remote possibility of a central sun within the planet.

But Wait, There’s More
Reptilian researchers such as David Icke also maintain that there are more than the three or four dimensions that we commonly accept on the basis of our five senses. Does this sound like the stuff of science fiction? Not to Stephen Hawking…
String theory, which he considers the best model to explain the universe, only works mathematically if there are 10 or 26 dimensions (p. 162). So, once again, support for the idea of multi-dimensional aliens has come from a most unlikely place: hard science.
Popular Fiction and the Collective Unconsciousness
A collective unconsciousness is the concept that all of our minds form a sort of group mind in which ideas can be transmitted to individuals. Similar to this is the concept of racial or genetic memory, the principal that ancient memories are passed on to us at birth, giving us a buried memory that is as old as humankind.
I find J.R.R. Tolkien and Stephen King to be excellent examples of one or the other phenomenon. For instance, there are certainly people today who have elvish qualities. There are modern day “ogres”, “wizards” and the like. Could Tolkien have been unconsciously expressing genetic memory of a time when these characteristics were much more predominant? Not to mention “Middle-Earth”.
More intriguing still is the villain of his ‘Lord of the Rings” novel. Not only is Sauron obviously reptilian in nature as well as name, Sauron is generally represented by an all-seeing eye. Not so coincidentally, so are the Masons.
Randall Flagg, evil incarnate of several Stephen King novels, is also represented by the “sigul of the eye”. In fact, bits and pieces of the reptilian/hollow earth arcana populate many of King’s works. ‘Desperation’, a more recent novel, tells of an ancient, possibly alien, entity that is discovered by a mining company. This is very much in line with the theories I have outlined above.

Putting the Matter to Rest
By the end of 2006, we should have a better idea of whether or not there is an entrance to an inner earth. Steve Curry Expeditions has been commissioned to lead a trip via a Russian nuclear icebreaker to the most likely locations of such an entryway. And that, dear reader, is where you come in.
I fully believe that David Icke and I should be present on this trip. Icke as a representative of the true believers, and myself as an educated skeptic. There is a slight hitch, however. The trip will cost nearly $30,000 per person.
As a perennial college student, $30,000 represents about three year’s income for me. However, if a number of you could be persuaded to donate $1 each, I think I could raise the money in a matter of months, if not weeks. To that end, I am setting up a Paypal site where I may solicit donations. In the event that I don’t raise the full amount, or the trip is cancelled, I can offer a full refund. But $1 is a small price to pay for resolving these questions once and for all, whether you believe these theories or not.
I’ll add the Paypal info to Reptilian Watch soon. If you don’t like Paypal, you may send a well-concealed dollar to:
Jason Gortician
2607 Kavanaugh #33
Ruston, Louisiana
71270

I’ll keep a running total on the site. Be sure and indicate whether or not you’d like to be credited as a donor, and include a return address for a refund. And, from all reptilian/hollow earth researchers around the world, thank you.

Reptilian Watch
http://www.bedoper.com/reptilian

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JasonGortician
(Conscript )
07/17/04 01:52 PM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: Jason Gortician #590] #314929

I haven't started researching this question yet, but by what process could the earth's core stay molten for 5,000,000,000 years? That sounds extremely unlikely, and scientifically unsound.

Does anyone have an opinion on this particular aspect?

Reptilian Watch - Bush is a Shape-Shifting Reptilian Mason Alien?
http://www.bedoper.com

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Raul
(Guerrilla)
07/18/04 04:44 AM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: JasonGortician] #315048

I saw that guy from World Traveler on Unscrewed. He's either a great liar, completely insane, or perfectly sane. Either way I'm interested to see what happens on the voyage.

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lihop
(Revolutionary)
07/18/04 05:59 AM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: Raul] #315058

No, No. I totally believe the part about George Bush transforming into a reptilian alien. These authors might be on to something.

'Cause I always thought Bush transformed into one of those once a month during the full moon and yelled:

"Moo Hoo Haaa! Those puny humans are just so tasty with A1 sauce"

On a serious note. I believe I have an exclusive picture of what Bush and Cheny look like when they transform:
What THEY look like picture (on right hand side)

:-)

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hiphopforrespect
(Guerrilla)
07/18/04 06:07 AM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: JasonGortician] #315059

"Come along and ride on this fantastic voyage!"

Freepers quote of the day: "You're either with us or you're intelligent"
"The system breaks man, child, and woman into figures, two columns for who is and who ain't niggers." -Mos Def
"Jews don't salute the fuckin' swastika, but y'all niggas pledge allegiance to the flag that accosted ya." -Ras Kass

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Snark
(Commandante)
07/18/04 09:01 AM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: JasonGortician] #315082

Allow me to preface my arguments by saying that I'm primarily a ecologist, but since a strong research interest of mine is astrobiology, I have a very strong general knowledge of planetary science, basic geology, and astronomy. I work for a prominent planetary scientist at the Space Science department of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science, and one of my minors (and most of my elective credits) is geology. I mention this just so you know I've got the necessary knowledge to comment on this topic. Don't take my word as gospel, and check my facts if you wish, but I consider myself VERY plugged in to the relevant fields of science.

I suggest you research the impact hypothesis of lunar formation. A principal expert in this field is Dr. Robin Canup of the Southwest Research Institute, who I've worked with. In a nutshell, it posits that an object roughly the size of Mars hit Earth. This ejected a large volume of rock into Earth orbit, which coalesced to form the moon. This satisfies several theoretical parameters, including why the Earth is still highly molten and tectonically dynamic, and possess a strong magnetic field, while Mars and Venus (no coincidence that these two don't have substantial moons) seem to be tectonically, magnetically and geologically inactive. It also explains the high angular momentum of the Earth-Moon system, Earth's high iron content compared to the Moon's paucity of iron, and a number of other phenomena. This lasting heat energy is insulated by the mantle and crust, does not require oxygen to remain hot (any more than a glowing chunk of metal necessarily requires oxygen), and has been established to be thermodynamically correct- IE, the amount of energy jacked into the planet by this impact, attenuated by several billion years of cooling, would result in a planet rounghly as hot as Earth is today. The theory hangs together well, although some of the particulars remain indefinite.

I would rate it as highly unlikely that there is a black hole at the center of Earth, for the obvious reason that we do not experience either the gravity assosciated with those bodies or the emitted high-energy gamma and x-ray radiation that they eject. The high temperature of black holes is primarily due to the friction heating of the material orbiting them, which is accellerated to fantastic velocities by the gravity well of the hole. The actual hole itself, as it is essentially independent of exterior space-time and represents a complete collapse of every physical law we know, is completely unknown. The environment surrounding a black hole would not be conducive to life, or, in fact, the existence of any matter cooler than an x-ray emitting plasma.

Needless to say, the Hollow Earth theory is complete bullshit. The observable dynamics of Earth, its geological activity, how it orbits around the moon, the magnetic field and assosciated magnetosphere, and the amount of gravity we experience are all phenomena that preclude the idea of Earth being hollow. Your commitment to openmindedness is commendable, but don't let it remain so open that you begin to seriously consider impossible theories. And as for the expedition, I suggest you find some VERY open-minded backers, read a few good geology texts, and prepare for some serious disappointment. It's just not there.

"oh God, semantics about Jesus's view on water sports and fisting?" - Reblyellr

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drew hempel #500
(Unregistered)
07/18/04 10:10 AM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: Jason Gortician #590] #315100

Required reading is Professor J. Godwin's book on the Hollow Earth theory -- Arktus. Just search that on Amazon and you'll get up to speed about the influence of such thinking in politics. drew hempel

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JasonGortician
(Foot Soldier)
07/18/04 12:04 PM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: Snark] #315113

In reply to Snark:
Allow me to preface my arguments by saying that I'm primarily a ecologist, but since a strong research interest of mine is astrobiology, I have a very strong general knowledge of planetary science, basic geology, and astronomy. I work for a prominent planetary scientist at the Space Science department of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science, and one of my minors (and most of my elective credits) is geology. I mention this just so you know I've got the necessary knowledge to comment on this topic. Don't take my word as gospel, and check my facts if you wish, but I consider myself VERY plugged in to the relevant fields of science.

Ok. I am primarily a professional troll and an un-degreed English un-major. I used to watch Mr. Wizard on Nickelodeon.

In reply to Snark:
I suggest you research the impact hypothesis of lunar formation. A principal expert in this field is Dr. Robin Canup of the Southwest Research Institute, who I've worked with. In a nutshell, it posits that an object roughly the size of Mars hit Earth. This ejected a large volume of rock into Earth orbit, which coalesced to form the moon. This satisfies several theoretical parameters, including why the Earth is still highly molten and tectonically dynamic, and possess a strong magnetic field, while Mars and Venus (no coincidence that these two don't have substantial moons) seem to be tectonically, magnetically and geologically inactive. It also explains the high angular momentum of the Earth-Moon system, Earth's high iron content compared to the Moon's paucity of iron, and a number of other phenomena. This lasting heat energy is insulated by the mantle and crust, does not require oxygen to remain hot (any more than a glowing chunk of metal necessarily requires oxygen), and has been established to be thermodynamically correct- IE, the amount of energy jacked into the planet by this impact, attenuated by several billion years of cooling, would result in a planet rounghly as hot as Earth is today. The theory hangs together well, although some of the particulars remain indefinite.

Yes, and others believe Tiamat crashed into the Earth, and that the Earth was once the 5th Planet from the sun. Both ideas seem equally valid. I have read that no flying animal can weigh more than about 30 pounds in this gravity. How then did pterodactyls exist?

Your answer seems to amount to "It's molten because It's molten". Heat escapes the Earth from a variety of ports. What you are describing is perpetual energy.

I don't quite follow how an astronomical collision can result in a molten core. It seems to me that the more commonly accepted scientific principal is that the earth was once entirely molten, and cooled from the outside in.

In reply to Snark:
I would rate it as highly unlikely that there is a black hole at the center of Earth, for the obvious reason that we do not experience either the gravity assosciated with those bodies or the emitted high-energy gamma and x-ray radiation that they eject. The high temperature of black holes is primarily due to the friction heating of the material orbiting them, which is accellerated to fantastic velocities by the gravity well of the hole. The actual hole itself, as it is essentially independent of exterior space-time and represents a complete collapse of every physical law we know, is completely unknown. The environment surrounding a black hole would not be conducive to life, or, in fact, the existence of any matter cooler than an x-ray emitting plasma.

Black hole study being almost entirely theoretical, and changing on a regular basis. My only point was to bring attention to the fact that Mr. Hawking described this potential phenomenon.

In reply to Snark:
Needless to say, the Hollow Earth theory is complete bullshit. The observable dynamics of Earth, its geological activity, how it orbits around the moon, the magnetic field and assosciated magnetosphere, and the amount of gravity we experience are all phenomena that preclude the idea of Earth being hollow. Your commitment to openmindedness is commendable, but don't let it remain so open that you begin to seriously consider impossible theories. And as for the expedition, I suggest you find some VERY open-minded backers, read a few good geology texts, and prepare for some serious disappointment. It's just not there.

If you can recommend a text that answers the question in I've posed here regarding the molten center of the Earth in depth, I would happily investgate it. Lava, magma and volcanoes seem to be the main problem with the concept of a hollow earth, but they present problems of their own which I have not had adequately explained to me.

If you read all of my essays at the link below (@ Reptilian Watch), you will see I remain a skeptic regarding these issues. But researching them seems harmless enough. Fun, even. Maybe I'm being intentionally obtuse.

Reptilian Watch - Bush is a Shape-Shifting Reptilian Mason Alien?
http://www.bedoper.com

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persona_o
(Commandante)
07/18/04 12:40 PM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: JasonGortician] #315120

>>I have read that no flying animal can weigh more than about 30 pounds in this gravity. How then did pterodactyls exist?<<

Q: I understand that the limit of flight for a bird is around 40 pounds i.e the
Mute swan and the African Bustard. So I'm a little puzzled as to how an animal
the weight of the Pterodactyls and the like were able to take off and stay
aloft, particularly from a carcass or the ground?

A: Pterodactyls (pterosaurs) may not have necessarily weighed more than
birds of equal dimensions. However there were some forms that reached
enormous proportions. How they were able to fly is simply a matter of
physics.

One must look at the surface area of the wing(s) or protagium (skin
between the hind legs and fore limbs). This skin when pulled taut will
form a basic wing shape. If you were to take a plane (bird, pterosaur,
etc.) wing and cut it to view the cross section you will see a shape like
this:

As you can see from the diagram the air moves faster over the top of
the wing than it does on the underside. As the air going over the top
speeds up the molecules become separated (due to the longer distance
relative to the air under the wing). This makes the air on top of the wing
less dense (and less pressure). Because of the difference in pressure
there is pressure (force) exerted upwards on the wing causing it to be
lifted upwards.

The pterosaurs had a similar shape to their "wings" as planes and birds
have. They can have HUGE body sizes and still have enough lift to fly
(maybe without even moving "flapping" their "wings"). Also, there are
great variations in the sizes of the pterosaurs. Some with wing spans of
5+ meters, down to ones with wing spans of 50cm or less (twice an
albatross to about the size of a crow).

Another point to keep in mind would be that pterosaurs had VERY VERY light
bones, even lighter than birds today! they were hollow and strong. This
would greatly reduce their weight and make flying even easier. But heavy
things can fly too (Just look at a C5 Galaxy).

David Lovelace, Undergraduate, Geology/Zoology, Wyoming Paleontological Association

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MrTacion
(Conscript )
07/18/04 01:40 PM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: Snark] #315134

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I dont think anyone was suggesting there is a black hole in the center of the earth. That is completely obvious we would not be here or atleast not in the way we know. None the less I think Jason was asking if it there is a feasible arguement as to saying the center of the earth could be cool and hardened allowing for a literal hole to be dug to the center of the earth. I suppose it would be dark or black if there were no lights in such a tunnel. But I dont think anyone is saying there a literal black hole or singularity at the center of our earth that Hawkins talks about all the time.

Jason I am no geologist by any means but I think the main arguement for maintaing we have a molten core of iron is the strength of our magnetic field. As to what calculations say you have to have a liquid hot core of iron spinning itself to have our magnetic field I dont know.

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Snark
(Commandante)
07/18/04 01:49 PM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: JasonGortician] #315138

I'll get back to other parts of your post later, but I wanted to address the pterodactyl thing.

- Pterodactyls were primarily gliders. They did not have musculature burly enough to accomplish true powered flight. They could flap clumsily, and soar like raptors, but would have primarily relied upon trees and cliffs to get themselves going.

- This lunar-forming impact would have occurred long before life could have evolved. Pterodactyls had not evolved yet and would not do so for nearly 3 billion years.

- The amount of energy converted from kinetic to thermal energy was sufficient to render the entire earth molten, as well as completely vaporize the rock that formed the moon. A fossil would not have survived.

And, as regards the 5th planet idea, I don't think so. When the planets coalesced from the disk of gas and dust that surrounded the sun as it was forming, there were regions of concentration of various isotopes and materials. The isotopic makeup of Earth and the Moon do not match the typical isotopic makeup of the region past Mars. Asteroid rocks are distinctively different, owing to their different area of formation.

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Anonymous #547
(Unregistered)
07/24/04 06:00 PM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: Snark] #317065

Put your physics away snarky, everything can be explained because of one simple physical scientific fact - all matter is constantly expanding at a universal atomic expansion rate! Of course don't take my word for it, this fact is on the way and it will be realized in the next few yrs, it is going to revolutionize physics as we know it as well as turn the scientific community upside down! Orbiting bodies, black holes, that's priceless, LOL!!!

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Snark
(Commandante)
07/25/04 03:03 PM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: Anonymous #547] #317226

Publish it in a scientific journal and get it peer reviewed or go home. I have no interest in unsubstantiated assertion without proof or explanation.

"oh God, semantics about Jesus's view on water sports and fisting?" - Reblyellr

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JasonGortician
(Foot Soldier)
07/25/04 10:51 PM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: Snark] #317330

In reply to Snark:
Publish it in a scientific journal and get it peer reviewed or go home. I have no interest in unsubstantiated assertion without proof or explanation.

That's funny. In the Flight 77 thread, you made the unsubstantiated assertion that I thought "reptilians are taking over the world". And offered no proof or explanation.

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Anonymous #324
(Unregistered)
07/26/04 03:39 PM

Re: Reptilians and Hollow Earth Theory [re: JasonGortician] #317534

"Reptile watch Web site"? does it have a live cam?
Them flying lizards are rading my bird feeder right now!

"An object the size of mars hit earth forming the moon" - Snark
Dribble dribble, baby food all over your propaganda bib? They should put you back on Chatroom duty, you're with the big boys now. Peddle that krap to the masses. Speaking of which anyone see the battle scars all over the moon? Just like the ancient India text describes, too cool. Look close enough you might find a smashed up vinnima thinger-mo-booer.

Check out the Emerald Tablets of Thoth (Tablet VIII)

Quote:
"In the form of man they amongst us,
but only to sight were they as are men.
Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted
but appearing to man as men among men.
Crept they into the Councils,
taking forms that were like unto men.
Slaying by their arts
the chiefs of the kingdoms,
taking their form and ruling o'er man.
Only by magic could they be discovered.
Only by sound could their faces be seen.
Sought they from the Kingdom of shadows
to destroy man and rule in his place."

Source page: Tablet number VIII
http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald8.html

Emerald Tablets of Thoth Index page:
http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html

That and the reptilian statues found in Egypt makes one wonder.
(insert twighlight zone music here)

Yet there are "Thoths" everywhere, form Atlantis to Egypt, makes sense though.

Thoth origins
http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/thebookofthoth.htm

Thoth, yet another version, in this one he is an Egyptian god.
http://www.crystalinks.com/thoth.html

Hmmm? better look it up in the bible codes.

toot-a-loo,

FallingSky

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In a document called "Rebuilding America's Defenses" published by The American Enterprise's "Project for a New American Century"(1), SPC International executive, Dov Zakheim, called for a 'Pearl Harbor' type of incident being necessary to foster the frame of mind needed for the American public to support a war in the Middle East that would politically and culturally reshape the region. A respected and established voice in the intelligence community, his views were eagerly accepted, and Dov went from his position at Systems Planning Corporation to become the Comptroller of the Pentagon in May 2001. (2) Tridata, a subsidiary of Systems Planning Corporation, was in charge of the investigation after the terrorist attack on the WorldTrade Center in 1993.

Systems Planning Corporation, according to their official website, specializes in many areas of defense technology production and manufacture, including a system developed by their Radar Physics Group called the Flight Termination System, or FTS.(3) This is a system used to destroy target drones (craft that would be fired on by test aircraft or weaponry) in the event of malfunction or "misses." This highly sophisticated war-game technology allows the control of several 'drones' from a remote location, on varying frequencies, and has a range of several hundred miles. This technology can be used on many different types of aircraft, including large passenger jets.

According to the SPC website (4), a recent customer at that time was Eglin AFB, located in Florida. Eglin is very near another Air Force base in Florida-MacDill AFB, where Dov Zakheim contracted to send at least 32 Boeing 767 aircraft, as part of the Boeing /Pentagon tanker lease agreement.(5)

As the events of September 11, 2001 occurred, little was mentioned about these strange connections, and the possible motives and proximity of Dov Zakheim and his group. Since there was little physical evidence remaining after the events, investigators were left only with photographic and anecdotal evidence.

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Read the rest of this at the link below, and see the pictures.

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