Wednesday, January 6, 2010

Former Bush Team Member Says WTC Collapse Likely A Controlled Demolition - Part 9

3 years ago

Have you noticed, suitcaseman, that you’re the only one that bumps this thread? Have you ever wondered what that means?

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Leave him alone, Snark.
I check out every single thing that gets posted in this thread.

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Ok, I’m convinced.

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Have you noticed, suitcaseman, that you’re the only one that bumps this thread? Have you ever wondered what that means ?

i am sooo going to use that argument against you one day.
one day.

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I would have bumped this thread but It didn’t look like it needed any help…...

I support 9/11 Truth.

Thx for the link Suitcase:

Post Modified: 01/26/07 13:11:39

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You’re welcome. The list has grown bigger, slowly but surely.

And keeping the issues alive is important, as we see next with WTC 7,

NIST WTC-7 Technical Approach and Status Summary

Post Modified: 01/31/07 21:43:42

3 years ago

The 9/11 Chronicles: Just What We Needed! 9/11 Percipient Witnesses!

We have seen 911 Mysteries before and talked about it before, but for those who have not seen it,

911 Mysteries

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Important pieces of the movie, short clips,

this one about Kevin Ryan

This one about the slurry walls

Post Modified: 02/05/07 09:04:06

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The following material isn’t directly related to 911 but goes to the military’s capability to respond to commercial airline flights in question. How relevant is something that occurred last night? I live in Citrus County, about 70mi N/NW of Tampa. Last night as I was finishing my evening walk I noticed above me (at normal altitude) were two commercial flights passing one another. One was heading SE toward Tampa and the other NW, toward the panhandle. The night sky was crystal clear and visibility was excellent.

Just as the two airliners had passed one another a third aircraft quickly entered my field of view, approaching from a southwesterly direction at a noticeably higher speed. It passed right at the point where the two commercial flights would have collided. It then continued a short distance and then quickly circled out in front of the plane headed toward the panhandle. It quickly accelerated out of sight. That’s not to imply that this third aircraft was dangerously near either commercial flight or that it demonstrated speeds beyond belief.

What makes this interesting is that later that evening I was recording a TV program for my girlfriend and when it finished the late news came on. The lead story was an exclusive from Tampa International Airport; the reporter was Walt Maciborski. He reported that “halfway through the flight from Denver to Tampa” there was an altercation between two passengers. Two men were fighting at the back of the plane and were eventually separated. One was escorted to the front and seated there. Sometime after that, the man who was still at the rear of the plane left his seat and proceeded to the front to reinitiate the conflict.

Did I see a military fighter jet responding to a tenuous situation at 30,000’? It’s running lights were distinctively different than those of the commercial planes. The lights of the third aircraft were a row of flashing red lights. I have no idea if the third aircraft was military but that would be my guess. I’m also not absolutely sure that the two incidents are related, but I suspect that they are. It was an impressive display, to say the least. Again, this is meant only to add to the argument of the military’s capability and the contended stand down order on 911.

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9/11 Responders Confirm: WTC 7 Controlled Demolition
B21586 / Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:46:26 / Intelligence
Yesterday’s revaluations:

Today’s Revelations:

More Ground Zero Heroes On The Record: Building 7 Was Deliberately Brought Down

Testimony of multiple rescue personnel that they were told Building 7 was going to be imploded means FEMA, NIST, Silverstein Properties and federal government all lied, revelations demand immediate grand jury inquiry into insurance fraud, vindicates call for new independent 9/11 investigation

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Prison Planet
Friday, February 9, 2007

Two more ground zero emergency rescue personnel are on the record as stating they were told Building 7 was going to be brought down on 9/11 hours before its symmetrical implosion, completely contradicting the official explanation of accidental collapse.

The new revelations provoke urgent questions about how a building was rigged with explosives within hours when such a process normally takes weeks or months and why the decision was taken to demolish the building amidst the chaos of the situation on that day.

Yesterday we reported on the testimony of an anonymous EMT named Mike who told Loose Change producer Dylan Avery that hundreds of emergency rescue personnel were told over bullhorns that Building 7, a 47 story skyscraper adjacent the twin towers that was not hit by a plane yet imploded symmetrically later in the afternoon on 9/11, was about to be “pulled” and that a 20 second radio countdown preceded its collapse.

Shortly after this article was released we uncovered more astounding testimony of ground zero rescue workers who are fully public and on the record in repeating the same claims, that Building 7 was brought down deliberately and that its collapse was not accidental as the government claims.

Indira Singh was a volunteer civilian Emergency Medical Technician at the World Trade Center on September 11th. She was a Senior Consultant for JP Morgan Chase in Information Technology and Risk Management. Singh was responsible for setting up triage sites for the seriously injured and walking wounded. These sites were closed down and consolidated one by one as the day wore on. Appearing on the Pacifica show Guns and Butter, Singh describes her experience to host Bonnie Faulkner. Click here to listen with commentary by Alex Jones.

SINGH: “After midday on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. If you had been there, not being able to see very much just flames everywhere and smoke – it is entirely possible – I do believe that they brought Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable because of the collateral damage. That I don’t know I can’t attest to the validity of that all I can attest to is that by noon or one o’clock they told us we need to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or be brought down.”

HOST: “Did they actually use the word “brought down” and who was it that was telling you this?”

SINGH: “The fire department. And they did use the words ‘we’re gonna have to bring it down’ and for us there observing the nature of the devastation it made total sense to us that this was indeed a possibility, given the subsequent controversy over it I don’t know.”

As is discussed elsewhere in this article, the feasibility and logic of bringing the building down on 9/11 is up for debate, but what is not debatable is the fact that Silverstein Properties, NIST, FEMA and the federal government have all knowingly lied in claiming in official reports that the building came down solely as a result of damage from the towers and that the collapse of the building was not aided by means of intentionally placed explosives.

The following video from CNN clearly shows firefighters and police telling the public to get back because Building 7 was about to come down and in the words of the cameraman was about to “blow up.”

Former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue, Kevin McPadden traveled to ground zero completely of his own accord and spent the next four days searching through the rubble and nearby buildings for survivors.

On September 9 2006, McPadden told an audience at the Community Church in New York City how while he was stationed in a Red Cross operations center, he was told that Building 7 was going to be brought down. Click here for the audio.

McPADDEN: “They said you know you’ve got to stay behind this line because they’re thinking about taking this building down, they’re not sure if it’s stable or not, so they were holding a line off because they had knowledge that something was gonna happen. Well, they pushed us back a little bit….a couple of minutes later they started coming down….people started coming back out to the street, I watched five New York City buses jam packed with people wanting to do search and rescue head down there towards Building 7 – people walk out into the middle of the street to see these people off, like bon voyage and right then Building 7 came down.”

McPadden then describes the scene as a “stampede” as people ran over each other in their attempts to flee.

The testimony of these individuals meshes with others in confirming that Building 7 was deliberately brought down on the day of 9/11, a fact that eviscerates official investigations into Building 7 as nothing more than part of an orchestrated cover-up.

In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties’ estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. This building’s collapse alone resulted in a payout of nearly $500 million, based on the contention that it was an unforeseen accidental event.

A cursory insight into professional building demolition tells us that experts are required to spend weeks and months planning the demolition of any building, ensuring that the explosives are placed in exactly the right spots, that the collapse will not impact surrounding buildings, and that a myriad of sufficient safety procedures are followed.

To imagine that demolition experts could rig such a huge building amidst the chaos of the day, unsure of whether further attacks were coming, in a matter of hours and bring the building down neatly in its own footprint without afflicting major damage to adjacent buildings is beyond belief.

Even if one entertains the notion that this is within the realm of possibility, the fact is that the federal government, FEMA and NIST and Silverstein Properties are all knowingly lying in claiming that the building collapsed by accident as a result of burning debris from the twin towers.

Now it is established that they lied about Building 7, how can we trust their often changing explanations of the collapse of the twin towers, especially considering the dozens and dozens of eyewitnesses who have gone on the record to report the fact that explosives were seen and heard on all levels of both towers, including underground?

We are being asked to put our faith in either the federal government, who deliberately lied about 9/11 in the very days after the attack in telling emergency workers and firemen that the toxic air was safe to breathe, or the emergency workers and other rescue heroes who risked their lives and are still suffering the consequences of their actions.

This testimony demands an immediate grand jury inquiry into both monolithic insurance fraud, potential manslaughter, and a complete re-appraisal and re-investigation into everything else that happened on 9/11 in an effort to discover what else the government lied about concerning the events of that day and its aftermath.

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John Conner has been doing his best to spread the word about 911. Of all places, they talked about John on The View.

Here is a clip of John Conner doing his thing at San Diego State University

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What about Sarah Connor?

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Who is Sarah Connor? I didn’t even know who John Connor was until I saw his video. That’s the world we live in.

NIST Engineer, John Gross, Denies Reports About Molten Steel at the WTC.

How stupid can a person be?

Post Modified: 02/11/07 17:09:33

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From the terminator movies, suitcaseman. Sarah is the mother of John Conner and John is the sort-of savior … JC, Jesus Christ, John Connor.

strange days have found us.

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9/11 Widows Keep on Asking the Tough Questions

“There are just so many unanswered questions,” says Van Auken. “I would say you need roughly 400 hours of research to graduate from 9/11 kindergarten class. That’s why it’s so hard to keep people on the same page, because they’re coming at this issue from a million different angles. A friend might tell them about building 7, or they might watch Loose Change on the internet, or they’ll say, ‘Hold it a second, you can’t make cell phone calls from an airplane.’ And then suddenly a little alarm bell goes off in their brain, and they say, ‘Wow, we don’t know the whole story about this.’ That’s all it takes, the little alarm bell, and then, bam, welcome to the place we’ve been living in for the last six years.”

Noam Chomsky joins 9/11 Jersey widows in calling for release of 9/11 documents

February 14, 2007 — Noam Chomsky has signed a petition written by the 9/11 “Jersey” widows calling for the release of classified documents relating to the 9/11 attacks. The Muckraker Report has contacted him by e-mail and verified that the individual listed on the petition is indeed Noam Chomsky. Chomsky’s name is #6432:

Post Modified: 02/14/07 19:01:41

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Yes to get back to the statement made by NIST engineer, John Gross, that there was no molten steel, listen to Craig Bartmer, NYPD, who worked on the pile, in the video, between the 13 and 14 minute marks.

They gave us Home Depot equivalent dry wall masks to wear man, while walking on top of a pile of steel that had an incinerator running underneath of it, it melted the soles of my boots walking around on it.

NYPD Officer Heard Building 7 Bombs
“The whole time you’re hearing boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I think I know an explosion when I hear it”

Post Modified: 02/14/07 19:35:28

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Craig Bartmer said, 70% of us are sick, twenty-six died this year.

More on the First Responders

There are a lot of videos, but this one is particularly important,

Sierra Club Chronicles: 9/11 Forgotten Heroes

Not to mention the impact of David Miller’s Avenge Us speech. That speech is in the first and second videos, the second one is best, if you are in a hurry.

Post Modified: 02/14/07 20:24:24

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not even a snicker?

I thought that JC shit was cute.

‘who’s sarah connor?’

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OK, so I finally looked it up and this is what I found

I never saw any of the terminator movies.

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Skip to roughly 30-35 minutes into the documentary. There is a section of interviews on the WTC collapses that is very relevant to this thread.

Post Modified: 02/17/07 12:50:48

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Oklahoma Grand Jury Issues Its Sanitized Report
by Pat Shannan


“All I know is what I read in the papers,” said that lovable curmudgeon Will Rogers. Will was a liberal Democrat to whom nothing beyond truth was sacred and who delighted in poking fun at all politicians, especially Republicans. Taking sight of today’s fact that the philosophies of the two major parties have been twisted into an Orwellian perversion of everything once constitutional, wholesome, and holy, I suspect that Mr. Rogers would wear the label of neither. He undoubtedly would be ashamed of those deceptive blatherskites in his beloved state of Oklahoma.

In December of 1963, ascended President Lyndon Baines Johnson hand-picked a panel of professional deceivers – politicians who had spent most of their hypocritical lives honing the beguiling art of plausible seduction – to “convict” an already dead Lee Harvey Oswald in the minds of the American people. It was known as the “Warren Commission,” headed by Chief Justice Earl Warren, who was appointed to that position in 1953 by President Eisenhower. “Ike” later said, “That was the biggest damn-fool mistake I ever made.”

But make no mistake about Johnson’s “chosen few,” because he certainly did not blunder with his appointments to the Warren Commission. It was all by design. The team went behind closed doors for nine months with but one goal in mind: Emerge with the “proof” that there was no conspiracy in the murder of John Kennedy and that it was all carried out by one lone communistic nut, bent on some nebulous revenge. They succeeded, to a point and for awhile.

David Martin, author of America’s Dreyfus Affair, has written a piece entitled “Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression,” wherein he says, “Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.”

His techniques include:

1. Dummy up. If it’s not reported, if it’s not news, it didn’t happen.

2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the “how dare you?” gambit.

3. Characterize the charges as “rumors” or, better yet, “wild rumors.” If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through “rumors.”

4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.

5. Call the skeptics names like “conspiracy theorist,” “nut,” “ranter,” “kook,” “crackpot,” and of course, “rumor monger.” You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned.

6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money.

7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.

8. Dismiss the charges as “old news.”

9. Come half-clean. This is also known as “confession and avoidance” or “taking the limited hang-out route.” This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal “mistakes.” This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken.

10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.

11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. For example: We have a completely free press. If they know of evidence that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF) had prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing they would have reported it. They haven’t reported it, so there was no prior knowledge by the BATF. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press that would report it.

12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. For example: If Vince Foster was murdered, who did it and why?

13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or reporting a distraction.

To those too young to remember the autumn of 1963, it is difficult to convey the effect President Kennedy’s assassination had on the nation. It was a cataclysmic event; a tidal wave roaring out of Dallas across the news wires to every corner of the world, spreading gloom in its wake. But when the smoke cloud of shock had lifted, we still had confidence in our government’s leaders. Without yet realizing the propagandizing power of the moving picture medium, we had been mesmerized by TV’s Robert Stack (“The Untouchables”) and Efram Zimbalist, Jr. (“The FBI”), and James Stewart’s theater heroics in “The FBI Story.” Whatever the problem, J. Edgar Hoover would soon be on his white horse, riding to our rescue.

Then we began to grow up and live in the real world. Gradually, as more pieces of information surfaced, we reluctantly faced the facts. Not only had Hoover and his FBI agents gone out of their way to suppress the truths surrounding the John Kennedy murder case but had repeated this role twice more five years later and were even highly suspect of actual participation in the murder of Martin Luther King, Jr. And, not only that but, holy moley, wonder of wonders, J. Edgar Hoover wore a dress!

Three decades later, the image of the great Red, White & Blue was tarnished. By the time of the Oklahoma bombing(s) in`95, Americans were fed up with the legalized murders in Arkansas, California, Idaho, and Texas (to mention only a few). Witnesses with testimony contrary to the government’s spin of events were coerced so often into changing their stories to fit, that they began to remark that the acronym for the agency which used to boast that it was the greatest investigative assemblage on earth now stood for “Federal Bureau of Intimidation.” Even those septuagenarians who had fought, bled, and watched their buddies die in the last real war for freedom had been heard to mutter over newspapers in a coffee shop, “This is not the America I went to war for in 1942.”

It was no surprise then to see the headline on the last day of 1998: JURY FINDS NO LARGER CONSPIRACY IN BOMBING. No more surprising than it was the first day when we learned that the FBI had “invoked authority” and had kept out all but its own from the crime scene; or the government’s razing of the Murrah Building and all its evidence only 34 days later. If the truth be known, we almost certainly would find that this historical novel was written not by any grand jury members but liaryers from the prosecution team, skilled in the arts of double-talk.

The some twenty-page report is a zig-zagging, slippin’ and a’slidin’, peepin’ and a-hidin’, political tap dance; highlighting impertinent tidbits and previous disinformation (e.g. the ANFO residue found on McVeigh’s clothing) which had previously biased potential petit and grand jurors everywhere and would now serve as an attempt to pacify the world. It won’t work, Spin Meisters. We’re not so naïve anymore. Many of us have reached such an elevated level of cynicism regarding your antics that we now don’t believe anything you say without first checking it further.

In contrast, factual information such as that provided by USAF Brig. Gen. (ret.) Benton Partin, an expert witness on the subject of demolition, was ignored. Partin’s 8-page report was delivered to some sixty congressmen and senators in May of 1995, imploring them to prevent the demolition of the Murrah Building prior to examination. His facts, showing how the building was blown from the inside – presented simply enough for a child to comprehend – were conspicuously missing from both the trial court and this new Warren Report.

Just connect the dots. The Oklahoma City tragedy is the biggest cover-up in American history. As predicted, even a bigger blanket has been thrown over this one than those still-unsolved mysteries of the sixties. In those cases, establishment reporters were at least asking questions. Any network or newswire reporter today who challenges the government party line soon discovers that his articles never make it through the censoring web of editors in New York, Washington, or Atlanta.

For the details about much of what was left out of the New Warren Commission Report, see the November `98 issue of Media Bypass. In this column we will stick only to the basics for one final comparison with the old Commission. It was these simple rudiments which were glossed over in each case.

The Warren Commission alleged that Lee Oswald was on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository when he fired a rifle three times from the southeast window, but this placement proved to be impossible. TSBD Superintendent Roy Truly and Dallas Police Officer Marion Baker inadvertently discovered Oswald in the second floor lunch room “No more than ninety seconds after the shooting.” Baker had leveled his police revolver at Oswald and was demanding identification before Truly told him, “He’s okay. He works here.” The two men left Oswald standing at the soft drink machine, scurried up the stairs, and continued a search of the building for anyone who didn’t belong there. Baker later said that Oswald was calm and did not appear to be out of breath or stressed in any way.

For Oswald to have committed the murder, it meant that he would have had to run 100+ feet from the southeast corner to the northwest corner of the sixth floor, stash the rifle behind several boxes of books, run to the stairwell, descend four flights, and get into the break room without being seen – all within 90 seconds. Later, the best athletically conditioned federal agents could not duplicate this feat with several tries.

This scenario, incidentally, was precluded anyway by the presence in the stairwell at the time of another employee, Victoria Adams, who said no one passed her. Nor could Oswald have come down the elevator. It was stopped on the fifth floor with the door propped open. All this information came from the Commission’s own transcripts of its hearings. What additional iota of testimony could they possibly need to eliminate Lee Oswald as a suspect?

Dallas Police gave Oswald a paraffin test, which proved conclusively that he had not fired a weapon that day. Two witnesses to Officer J. D. Tippett’s murder, Acquilla Clemons and Domingo Benavides, each said Oswald was not the killer. Benavides, the closest witness to the incident, gave a description of the shooter which so completely eliminated the suspect that he was never called to the lineup to look at Oswald. These two pieces of news did not go around the world, but this alone would have exonerated Oswald of both murders, had he gotten a fair trial. For the charade of cover-up to continue, Lee Harvey Oswald had to die.

The New Warren Commission of 1998 had exculpatory evidence, too. Something so rudimentary and elementary that anyone conducting a serious investigation seeking truth could not have missed. Something which blatantly shows that Tim McVeigh’s involvement that day was, at most, no more than one of the players on the fringes. Something to prove Tim McVeigh could not have murdered any of the eight people for which he was prosecuted. Something hiding in plain sight.

Pssst. C’mere. Bend over close, because what I’m about to whisper in your ear could get you in a lotta trouble. Are you ready for this? ANFO air blasts cannot dislodge reinforced concrete and steel. They couldn’t even do it in the basement of the World Trade Center with the truck parked next to a column. We’ve talked to dozens of experienced explosive experts over the years – from farmers who have blown up tree stumps to demolition company heads, to Navy Seals who have sunken ships. All said, “Impossible! ANFO can’t do this!” Gen. Partin showed us how the dissipated air blast from their alleged forty-eight-hundred-pounder on the street would have been down to 27 lbs. psi by the time it reached that last collapsed column. That’s like a bicycle tire blowing out! A pea-shooter bringing down a spaceship. And if ANFO on the street couldn’t do it, then Tim couldn’t have done it. And the building being blown from the inside means that someone with a key had to. . . Uhh Oh! Look, just forget it will ya’? And keep this conversation under your hat. I never saw you before in my life.

Murder in the Heartland

Post Modified: 02/24/07 08:50:17

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More involved in Oklahoma City bombing?
On 11th anniversary, Rita Cosby talks to Terry Nichols’ son, Josh Nichols

Affidavit: McVeigh had high-level help
According to Oklahoma bombing conspirator, ranking officials were involved in the attack
By Pamela Manson
The Salt Lake Tribune
February 21, 2007

Nichols says bombing was FBI op
Detailed confession filed in S.L. about Oklahoma City plot
Deseret News
February 21, 2007

Post Modified: 02/24/07 12:59:21

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Leave him alone, Snark. I check out every single thing that gets posted in this thread.

Wouldn’t surprise me.

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How does T1000 fit into all of this?

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Meria Heller delivers one heck of a keynote address at the 9/11 Accountability Conference in Chandler, Arizona

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These are always fun to come across. To go back and examine the news clips from 9/11 is a good way to pick up clues. Here we have an example of BBC reporting that Building 7 collapsed before it collapsed, about one-half hour before it happened. Remember the New Zealand paper that was reporting the biography of Lee Harvey Oswald, because he was accused of shooting JFK, except that back in the United States, he had not been charged yet.

This story falls into that category.

The Famous BBC WTC7 Video viewable at LiveLeak

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I don’t remember seeing that before, Suit. Okay, LuckyHenry, get over here and explain this! Snark, Toad…

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Run a search if you want, Colonel Prouty, New Zealand, Lee Harvey Oswald, in the meantime, here is something that popped up

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I thought that JC shit was cute.

really!? Wanna maybe go out sometime? /makes circles in dirt with big toe.

How does T1000 fit into all of this?

dunno, you made the terminator reference… what’s your thoughts? Unrelated: How’s the animal prison going? Good? Got any elephant inmates yet?

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Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.

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If it’s not news, it did not happen.

Post Modified: 03/01/07 09:30:34

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Might as well go for the gusto,

Northwest pilot alleges 9/11 cover-up

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With all this talk about BBC announcing to the world that Building 7 came down approximately a half-hour before it happened, it is a good time to remember this story,

Who Told Giuliani the WTC was Going to Collapse on 9/11?

In his own words, around noon on 9/11,

“I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.”

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“How’s the animal prison going?”

Going well. We had this group of mentally disabled kids come in and see a show recently. It was really moving to see them smile. It was also very cool to do a show, and bring my baboon to the Ronald McDonald House, as well an after school club in South Central LA. Working with animals that cannot survive in the wild do to injury (like our one winged golden eagle), and animals that were illegally kept confiscated pets, or just pets the people couldn’t take great care of, is also very enriching for me. Thanks for asking. It’s sweet for you to be interested in my life.

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An Indication of Complete Disappointment With the System

Firefighters Union Letter On Rudy Giuliani


On March 14, 2007, the IAFF will host the first bi-partisan Presidential Forum of the 2008 election cycle.

Early on, the IAFF made a decision to invite all serious candidates from both political parties — except one: former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

What Giuliani showed is a disgraceful lack of respect for the fallen and those brothers still searching for them. He exposed our members and leaders to arrest. He valued the money and gold and wanted the site cleared before he left office at the end of 2001 more than he valued the lives and memories of those lost.

Our members deserved the right to continue with a full search for their lost brothers and other innocent victims. Proudly, as you know, the fire service has a code similar to the military, where we leave no one behind. Recovering even a piece of a turnout coat or helmet gave our FDNY brothers and sisters and the families of the fallen some small semblance of peace, something to honor. But hundreds remained entombed in Ground Zero when Giuliani gave up on them.

The fundamental lack of respect that Giuliani showed our FDNY members is unforgivable – and that’s why he was not invited. Our disdain for him is not about issues or a disputed contract, it is about a visceral, personal affront to the fallen, to our union and, indeed, to every one of us who has ever risked our lives by going into a burning building to save lives and property.

Post Modified: 03/09/07 11:04:40

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The Northwest pilot has been creating a minor stir the last few days appearing on the Coast to Coast radio program last Saturday night and again a couple of nights ago with David Hawkins. Hawkins and Field McConnell claim that there may be hundreds of airplanes out there that have been illegally modified in Canada by Boeing. They are equipped with gyroscopes and incendiary material.

How does this relate to Giuliani and the firefighters? Hawkins has faith in our system of equity. In our country, Hawkins said, there is the presumption of innocence, but it is a mistake, he said, to presume that a corporation is innocent.

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Thanks Suitcaseman. There’s a pic of the angle-cut supports that I hadn’t seen before which pretty much puts to rest the idea that the cuts came from the clean-up – they are still looking for bodies at this point.

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CM, have you watched 9-11 mysteries?
Theres an amazing sequence in that vid where a CD expert shows how they attach the high powered explosives to the main supports of a building.

The charges wrap around the beam at the exact same angle those cuts in the pics are on.

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The First Fifteen Minutes of September 11th

“I think that this 9/11 thing is the quintessential opportunity to expose all of the infecting poisons; more than Iran Contra weapons for hostages, more than rampant militarism, more than Watergate, more than Enron, more than the dark side of the world’s financial institutions, more than any other similar kind of thing. I think that this is pretty much their last gasp, and the reason is very simple; the internet. We’re going to catch’em.”

Former Air Traffic Controller Robin Hordon speaks out
on 9/11, NORAD and what should have happened on 9/11.

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emissary, did I answer your question? I am delighted you took an interest in my life. Tell ya what, when you get one of your own I will be happy to do the same.

3 years ago

We know the William Rodriguez story, on the previous page this was posted, well now there is some corroboration of his story,

9/11 Eyewitness to Twin Towers Basement Explosion

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3 years ago

The Big Solution

How the 911 Cover Story Was Sold to the Public

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3 years ago

emissary, did I answer your question? I am delighted you took an interest in my life. Tell ya what, when you get one of your own I will be happy to do the same.

Yes you did, thanks.

As for having a life… yeah sure no prob, I’ll get back to you when I get one. Do hobbies count as anything? Does breathing and a heart beat qualify? Maybe I can get one on ebay… I’ll go check and get back to ya. I’ll PM ya or something… leave it with me.


3 years ago

“I think that this 9/11 thing is the quintessential opportunity to expose all of the infecting poisons; more than Iran Contra weapons for hostages, more than rampant militarism, more than Watergate, more than Enron, more than the dark side of the world’s financial institutions, more than any other similar kind of thing. I think that this is pretty much their last gasp, and the reason is very simple; the internet. We’re going to catch’em.”

I agree with him. But what is going to happen, if anything? How do you get rid of cancer when it is so far advanced? I’m not saying it’s inoperable, but geeez, how to go about it.

How do you see this thing could pan out suitcaseman?

3 years ago

The cancer is tiny. It only appears big. It wants you to think its big. If everyone finds out the extent to which they have been deceived it will shrink away and die.

3 years ago

9/11 mysteries is still the best flick out there. That quote is awesome. BTW, Berkeley is voting whether to become co-complainants with Germany in the World Court war-crimes charges against Rummy. Could that be an avenue for 9/11 charges? The 9/11 victims could file charges in the world court and then American localities could co-sign?

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3 years ago


Let’s just say it is panning out much more than anyone could ever have imagined. But the problem is, what to do with the information. In the 1970s, America had all the information about the CIA and its program ZR Rifle, and we found out that the CIA turned its assassination of foreign leaders program on our own president.

None of it means anything, unless you round up the people responsible and put them in prison or execute them for treason.

Right now Congress is totally bought off by the corporations that run our country and profit from its wars and assassinations.

We know now also that Oklahoma was more than what the government told us it was, and we know that the so-called terrorist attack in 1993, on the WTC, has the FBI’s fingerprints all over it.

Right now, the 911 victims and the 911 Truth Movement and spin-off groups like Pilots for 911 Truth and Scholars for 911 Truth are working hard to bring 911 back for a re-examination of the facts. Members of Congress have been approached and asked, What do you think about 911? Do you care? There are only a couple, who have said anything back.

The plain fact is that the majority of American people do not believe the 911 Commission Report, but there comes a time when, in America, the people have to get political. It is time to clean house. It is time for reform. But it is the kind of reform that the institutions of government have been resisting successfully for decades, no matter how serious and offensive the crimes committed against the Constitution.

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3 years ago

Rosie mocks the government

The question I have is, can they make it a bit more obvious?

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3 years ago

9/11: Looking for Truth in Credentials: The Peculiar WTC Experts

Those of us fighting for the truth about 9/11 owe it to the victims of the expanding 9/11 Wars, and to ourselves, to reveal these ongoing lies from corporate criminals and their credentialed “experts”. It is becoming increasingly obvious that those giving us one false story after another, while simultaneously ignoring much of the evidence of 9/11, might have more than just a cozy relationship with this government, and more than a benign past. It seems quite possible that some among those providing these explanations are knowingly complicit in the greater crime of a 9/11 cover-up.

For those who have been following

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3 years ago

None of it means anything, unless you round up the people responsible and put them in prison or execute them for treason.

Exactly. And let’s not forget:

“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of today.” – Theodore Roosevelt

In the 1970s, America had all the information about the CIA and its program ZR Rifle, and we found out that the CIA turned its assassination of foreign leaders program on our own president.

Ok this is ‘sorta’ related in many ways. Maybe not directly related to 9/11… but relevant non-the-less.

If you haven’t seen it I would recommend you download:

UFO, the greatest story ever denied from google.

550MB… 97 minutes.

If google is too expensive for ya tastes you can also buy the DVD from here: ufothemovie

Aside from some ufo footage I’ve never seen before it delves a little into the levels of secret clearance one would need to find certain things out. Which again highlights how things are kept hidden even from those who think they know stuff.

Plenty of notable speakers; astronauts Edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper, and others like Colonel Phillip James Corso, Brigadier general Stephen Lovekin as well as Navy pilots with nuke clearance, airline pilots, NASA folks etc…

One guy in particular, Daniel Salter, USAF master sergeant –NRO. He talks about the levels of intimidation applied to people who know stuff that they shouldn’t. He states that first level was his job …“no no, you did not see that, what you saw was this… you must’ve been hallucinating” … that notta work, then team two comes in “threats and discrediting” ….still no joy.. Third team, and along comes the badass nasty lads.

This same guy also says secretary of defense James Forrestal was the first real powerful known person to be eliminated over wanting to tell the public the truth…

Check it out. Let me know what ya think.

3 years ago

The cancer is tiny. It only appears big. It wants you to think its big. If everyone finds out the extent to which they have been deceived it will shrink away and die.

I hope you’re right. Realistically… heh, I’m not that optimistic.

3 years ago

It is just that there is a whole nother side to this 911 story,

Firemen douse Rudy’s image as 9/11 hero


Riches was one of 343 firefighters who died. His father spent every day sifting through the wreckage for bodies, eager for some sign of his son. In November, Giuliani ordered a halt to the work after the remains of 91 firefighters had been recovered.

“Giuliani told everybody the bodies were pulverised, but I was digging them up every day. It was grisly stuff, limbs, little bones – people were blown to bits – but the bodies were there,” said Riches, 55.

The searchers refused to stop. An ugly clash between the firefighters and the New York police left 18 officers injured. Eventually Giuliani backed down and allowed the work to continue, but not before branding the firefighters’ actions as “sinful”.

As late as March, clumps of victims – 13 here, five there, a couple more scattered around – were being found. One of them was Riches’ son.

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3 years ago

AP: 1M archived pages removed post-9/11

More than 1 million pages of historical government documents — a stack taller than the U.S. Capitol — have been removed from public view since the September 2001 terror attacks, according to records obtained by the Associated Press. Some of the papers are more than a century old.

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3 years ago

3 years ago

Smoke did NOT come from Building 7

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3 years ago

The Ultimate Con: Trailer 1

debunk this, bitches!

3 years ago

Hey Duck, What’s the story on that doc? Is it coming to theaters?

3 years ago

It looks like Loose Change might be coming to theaters, and the New York Post is not happy about it.

March 22, 2007 — SOME celebrities don’t know when to keep their traps shut – like Charlie Sheen and Rosie O’Donnell, who are throwing their weight behind the twisted theory that the United States government was behind the 9/11 terror attacks.

Page Six has learned that Sheen, the hooker-loving Hollywood hunk, has agreed to narrate a new version of the loopy YouTube documentary “Loose Change,” which claims that a corrupt faction within the federal government orchestrated the mass murder at the World Trade Center.

Complete story

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Well we know that the New York Post is angry about people expressing their opinions about 911, now it is Bill O’Reilly trying to bully Charlie Sheen into backing off on his plans to narrate a movie version of Loose Change, which is going to be backed by Dallas Mavericks owner, Mark Cuban. O’Reilly brought on Gerald Posner, who was long ago discredited for writing Case Closed, a book about the Kennedy assassination, which said that Lee Harvey Oswald was JFK’s lone assassin, because he disregarded the facts surrounding the assassination.

Some of the facts that Gerald Posner disregarded were (1) the 6.5 bullet, that was matched to Oswald’s rifle, was a pristine bullet, which could not have been fired from any weapon (2) the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was never tested to see if it had been fired (3) no Oswald prints were found on the rifle by the Dallas police or the FBI until after Jack Ruby shot Oswald in the Dallas police station (4) the Mannlicher-Carcano was only one of three rifles found on the 6th floor of the Texas schoolbook depository (5) only one witness, Howard Brennan, identified Lee Harvey Oswald for the Warren Commission but had been unable to do so on November 22, 1963. Also, other witnesses saw two gunmen on the 6th floor of the T.S.B.D., neither of them Oswald (6) a nitrate test Oswald was given on the evening of the assassination indicated that he had not fired a rifle (7) the Parkland Hospital doctors’ reports, written on November 22nd, 1963, which can be found as exhibits in the Warren Commission report, describe two frontal entry wounds (8) forty-two witnesses reported hearing or seeing evidence of gunfire from the grassy knoll to the right and front of President Kennedy.

These are just a few of the things that serious researchers have found wrong with the investigations that led to the Warren Commission finding, a mere ten months after the assassination, that Oswald acted alone and killed President Kennedy.

O’Reilly, Posner, and Bo Dietl About 911 Conspiracy Theories

This is a very effective way to send a message to Sheen, Mark Cuban, Rosie and others, who might want to attack the 911 Commission Report publicly.

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3 years ago

This is the way it should be done. This is Democracy at work.

San Diego Truth Squad meets Congressperson Susan Davis

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3 years ago

Former Military Officer Comes out for 9/11 Truth


“As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

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3 years ago

further quote:

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there’s no way all four of them could!

3 years ago

Canadian Professor disputes official representation on 9/11


Now we get to the part about why I wrote a 9/11 article. When I read David Ray Griffin’s piece, “Explosive Testimony” I was staggered. By two things. First, by the fact that these 10,000-12,000 pages of interviews with the FDNY existed. What a resource! How come nobody told me about it before? Why hadn’t I learned about it in the mass media? I was like: Hello, doesn’t everybody realize how important this is? I mean, if I were a prosecutor in a homicide trial and I suddenly realized I had 10,000 pages of testimony by eyewitnesses, collected shortly after the crime! Secondly, I was staggered by the stuff he quoted. Clear, in some cases detailed, and as far as I could see very credible – coming from people with no axe to grind and with tons of experience with high-rises and fires and collapses and so on.

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3 years ago


Pilots for 9/11 Truth, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) via the Freedom of Information Act to obtain their 2002 report, “Flight Path Study-American Airlines Flight 77”, consisting of a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file and Flight Path Animation, allegedly derived from Flight 77’s Flight Data Recorder (FDR).

The data provided by the NTSB contradict the 9/11 Commission Report in several significant ways:

The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support official events.
All Altitude data shows the aircraft at least 300 feet too high to have struck the light poles.
The rate of descent data is in direct conflict with the aircraft being able to impact the light poles and be captured in the Dept of Defense “5 Frames” video of an object traveling nearly parallel with the Pentagon lawn.
The record of data stops at least one second prior to official impact time.
If data trends are continued, the aircraft altitude would have been at least 100 feet too high to have hit the Pentagon.
In August, 2006, members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth received these documents from the NTSB and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has concluded that the information in these NTSB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001.

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, which relied heavily upon the NTSB Flight Path Study, American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon at 9:37:46 AM on the morning of September 11, 2001. However, the reported impact time according to the NTSB Flight Path Study is 09:37:45. Also according to reports, American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon and by doing so, struck down 5 light poles on Highway 27 in its path to the west wall.

The information provided by the NTSB does not support the 9/11 Commission Report of American Airlines Flight 77 impact with the Pentagon.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth is committed to discovering the truth surrounding the events of September 11, 2001. We have contacted both the NTSB and the FBI regarding these and other inconsistencies. To date, they have refused to comment on, correct, refute, retract or offer side-letters that might explain the discrepancies between what they claim are the data extracted from the FDR of AA Flight 77 and the official story alleging its crash into the Pentagon.

As concerned citizens and professionals in the aviation industry, Pilots for 9/11 Truth asks, why have these discrepancies not been addressed by agencies within the United States Government? Why have they falsely represented their own data to the American people? Pilots for 9/11 Truth takes the position that an official government inquiry into these discrepancies is warranted and long overdue. We call upon our fellow citizens to write to their Congressional representatives to inform them of these discrepancies and call for an immediate investigation into this matter. For more information please visit

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3 years ago

Whistleblower Releases Blueprints of the Towers


In March of 2007, an extensive set of detailed architectural drawings of the World Trade Center became public through the actions of a whistleblower. The 261 drawings included detailed plans for the North Tower (WTC 1), the World Trade Center foundation and basement, and the TV mast atop the North Tower. The set of drawings does not include plans for the other six buildings in the World Trade Center complex. However, since the Twin Towers were of almost identical construction, it is safe to assume that the the structural details that the drawings shown for the North Tower are largely applicable to the South Tower.

The drawings contain a wealth of detail about the buildings, including the dimensions of structural members such as the core columns.

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3 years ago

Independent Investigators Release Suppressed Blueprints of Destroyed World Trade Center Tower

Scans of original drawings of the North Tower of the World Trade Center have been published online by a coalition of independent 9/11 researchers and journalists.

North Tower Blueprints

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3 years ago

The FEMA and NIST reports are exposed as complete fabrications.

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3 years ago

For the dimensions, see FEMA report, “World Trade Center Building Performance Study,” undated. In addition, the outside of each tower was covered by a frame of 14-inch-wide steel columns; the centers of the steel columns were 40 inches apart. These exterior walls bore most of the weight of the building. The interior core of the buildings was a hollow steel shaft, in which elevators and stairwells were grouped. Ibid. For stairwells and elevators, see Port Authority response to Commission interrogatory, May 2004.

9-11 commision report

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3 years ago

Rosie Talks About False Flag Operations and Building 7 on The View


Rosie started out talking about what is going on with Iran and Britain and the hostage situation.

These were the questions. Were these soldiers used as pawns to start a war with Iran? Was this a staged act? Have governments ever staged incidents to start wars?

Elizabeth trusts the government and is concerned that many Americans are more apt to trust our enemy (Iran) than the Bush administration.

Rosie said we cannot trust the media to tell us the truth, because the media is owned by four corporations. She said that we have to go outside the country to find out what is happening in our country.

Elizabeth Hasselbeck does not see that going into Iraq was a mistake. Rosie said we went into Iraq for money. Rosie asked Elizabeth if she thought Iraq had anything to do with 911? Elizabeth said she would rather make a mistake than to have done nothing and found out that Iraq had WMD.

Rosie asked Elizabeth, Did the government purposely misled the citizens on Iraq? No she answered.

Do you think the government had anything to do with 911, Elizabeth asked Rosie.

Rosie said no but for the first time in history fire melted steel, and it was impossible for Building 7 to have fallen by fire.

Look at the films, Rosie said, and let’s get a physics expert here. Call up Harvard and Yale and call up physics and ask somebody to explain why Building 7 fell.

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3 years ago

Cut and run
Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007

Well maybe this is it! The terrorists won! It’s alright we can lose over 3000 innocent lives but 3000 soldiers to fight back we can not stand for. There is roughly 270,000,000 Americans and 3000 isn’t that much. So its OK. We need to pull out of Iraq and then Afghanistan, before we make the middle east mad. Iran kidnaps 15 British but it’s Tony Blair’s fault. Hezbollah attacks Israel and that’s OK because Israel doesn’t deserve a country because their Jews! Big bad america is a bully, shame on us. The new America wants the world to know that its OK to attack us because were bad! Our soldiers are dumb ass rednecks who like to kill innocent people. Send our soldiers home because their dumb and don’t know any better. Please forgive us! You can attack us, but we wont fight back long we don’t have the stomach for it, just like Osama said! War is bad unless its against us. Now we need to impeach Bush because he fought back after all he’s a dumb redneck too. Its alright if Iran nukes a couple of our major cities cause we have too many. Just act like it never happened!

3 years ago

Joe Scarborough was really worked up tonight about Rosie. He wants ABC to fire her. One comment Rosie made about the British-hostages story was, I have one thing to say you, Gulf of Tonkin, and that really annoyed Scarborough and O’Reilly tonight, but I thought to myself, let’s discuss the Gulf of Tonkin case, which was proven to be a false-flag operation, which was designed to get LBJ the authority he needed to wage war in Vietnam, yes it is true, look it up, it is undeniable, so let’s start there. I’m more worried about morons like Scarborough and O’Reilly trying to control who should be allowed on television and what they can say, than I am about Rosie speaking some truth for a change on a mainstream television show.

And Joe and Bill, please, stop giving us the I’m worried about the 911 victims pitch. This only brings pain to the victims of 911 jive. Many 911 victims are screaming for a real investigation of 911.

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3 years ago

I’ve got to hand it to Rosie.
Now, let’s see how the media handles her.
She’s gonna lose her job.
Then, let’s see how the media handles her.
It’s great ‘cause then, she’s really gonna talk.
She’s just a celebrity, but a powerful one.
She’s now in the non-government court.
She’s going to need a lot of support to keep
(and turn) her fan base — before and after.
Her large fan base could turn this around.

3 years ago

Just recently there has been a blurring of the lines between news shows and infotainment shows, so that shows that used to be strictly news, such as Hannity and Colmes, The O’Reilly Factor, and Scarborough Country, fill half their time with stories about Britney Spears, American Idol, and Anna Nicole Smith, while shows that used to be entertainment are delving into politics, like they are on The View.

They have already asked Barbara Walters about Rosie, and I can’t remember now whether it was just because of the fight she had with Donald Trump, or whether she had started to talk about 911 yet, but Barbara said Rosie is her own person, and she wasn’t thinking about getting rid of her.

You can’t help but wonder that she is taking a risk with her job, it is hard to say right now, because you also have to factor in that there is quite a bit of blaming Bush being allowed right now in the media, and now there is talk again of impeachment, and I do believe that there is an effort underway to blame Bush for 911 and Iraq, with the hope that these issues can be put to rest with him.

Scarborough Attacks Barbara Walters

Hannity and Colmes on Sheen and Cuban

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3 years ago

I believe the 9/11 thing will come down, and when it does, Israel will be hung out to dry as the fall guy. Poor dupes think they’re players, but push shove, they (and we) will find out that Nazi’s run the world.

3 years ago

Joe Scarborough was on again last night with the same complaints. He wants Barbara Walters to fire Rosie. He said Rosie owes an apology to the British families of the soldiers taken prisoner by the Iranians, to the victims of 911, to the men and women that serve our country, this is all so predictable, it is like dejavu all over again, I swear the same stuff happened in the sixties.

Danny Bonnaduce was on Scarborough Country to complain about the vicious and vitriolic things that Rosie is saying and he said, “personally, if anybody had a rope thick enough, I think she should be strung up for treason,” and when Scarborough suggested that maybe that could not be done, Bonnaduce said, sure she could, for providing aid and comfort to the enemy.

She is at it again

Post Modified: 03/31/07 11:05:09

3 years ago

they (and we) will find out that Nazi’s run the world.

They have their influence in Israel.

3 years ago

John Gibson and Michelle Malkin Whip Up Frenzy Over Rosie O’Donnell and ABC


Bill O’Reilly started a campaign last night to have Rosie O’Donnell fired from The View, ABC, for expressing her opinions on Iran and 9/11. This morning at 6 AM, Donald Trump was already quoting O’Reilly almost verbatim on The Imus Show demanding that ABC fire O’Donnell. So of course, John Gibson continued the fire Rosie campaign today with noxious Michelle Malkin who added Barbara Walters to the FOX News list of the currently unclean who must be punished. 3/30/07

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3 years ago

Rosie O’Donnell 9/11 Conspiracy Comments: Popular Mechanics Responds

Towers 1 and 7 were approximately 300 ft. apart, and pictures like the ones here and here offer a clear visual of how small that distance is for structures that large.

This should help PM Engineers offer a more convincing explanation.

3 years ago

Israel will be hung out to dry as the fall guy.

It has already happened to a degree. Take the story about The Dancing Israelis. There is a new video out on 911 Blogger called The Third Stage. It shows a witness, a woman, who saw the dancing Israelis.

The Mossad was tracking the 911 operation just as Able Danger was. There are always several stories ready for the public, several false sponsors put out there for the public. For example, one of the false sponsors of the JFK assassination was/is a group of anti-Castro Cubans, renegades, rabid anti-Castro Cubans, who were located within the CIA, who took it upon themselves to murder our president, because he did not destroy Fidel Castro.

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3 years ago

I didn’t say the Mossad is innocent – just that they’ll take the fall for this. Dispite Perle, Wolfowitz, etal, I think the Jews are still bit players. How convenient this all is for the neo-con nazis, since American Jews have traditionally been leftists politically.

3 years ago

Making the Evidence Fit

The discrepancy is interesting, but I also put this up so people can take a look at Zafar’s photos. Aman Zafar has a collection of photos of the towers before, during, and after the 911 attacks.

Post Modified: 04/02/07 19:35:43

3 years ago

Air Force Fighter Pilot and Instructor Comes Out for 9/11 Truth

After 4+ years of research since retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government. It is now time to take our country back.

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3 years ago

Dr. Frank Greening on NIST and JREF

Initially, anonymously, as poster “Apollo20” – March 28th, 2007

I’m new to posting on JREF but I have been following this forum for quite a while and I have observed how the regular JREFers eagerly DEVOUR each CTist that ventures on to this Conspiracy thread to question the official 9/11 story. It all gets pretty much routine because the JREFers always use one or more of the following modes of attack:

(i) NIST has covered all the bases – you need to refute NIST to win an argument here.
(ii) Taunt the CTist with “where’s your evidence?”
(iii) Question the CTist’s credentials – “Are you a scientist?”; “Are you an engineer?”
(iv) Ask the CTist why there are no peer-reviewed journal articles refuting NIST.
(v) Ask the CTist if they are going to submit an article to a peer-reviewed journal.

When a CTist retreats, the JREFers pass the time patting each other on the back for another debunking job well done and discuss how idiotic that particular CTist was. While this may be a source of entertainment for the JREFers, this type of mutual admiration is not particularly helpful to anyone seeking to understand how the Twin Towers collapsed. In fact, I would say that the JREFers appear to be fixated only on smothering scientific debate under a blanket of NIST, FEMA, Kean, Fox and CNN “Truths”! But as Leonardo da Vinci so aptly states: “Whoever in a discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but rather memory.”

I have worked as a research scientist in industry and academia for MANY years but I do not recall ever witnessing such an endless appeal to authority, by one side in a debate, as I see with the JREFers! Indeed, I find the JREFers more often than not coming across as dogmatic followers of a creed. Thus, ironically they have become a modern band of Inquisitors doling out their autos-da-fe to heretic CTists for simply having the temerity to question NISTIAN authority.

In truth, the NIST Report is seriously flawed in many respects. It is inconsistent and contradictory in the way it treats the tipping of the upper section of each tower. It assumes that global collapse ensues without modeling the collapse. Its fire simulations generate such a wide array of temperature profiles as to be essentially useless. Its assumptions about the loss of thermal insulation are mere speculation. It ignores the important effects of massive releases of corrosive gases in the fires. Its metallurgical analysis of the steel is perfunctory. It ignores evidence (micron sized spheres) for the presence of molten iron in the towers prior to collapse. It mentions sulfidation, which it does not explain, while ignoring chlorination. And finally, NIST still cannot explain the collapse of WTC 7 after 6 years of trying….. This is the JREFers Bible!?!?!?

Yesterday, (April 2), “Apollo20” revealed himself as Dr. Frank Greening;

Confessions of a 9/11 Agnostic

My name is Frank Greening/Neu-Fonze/Apollo20. I have observed a lot of mixed reaction to my recent contributions to PhysOrg and JREF forums. I am therefore posting the following material to explain who I am and where I’m coming from…..

First a little history:

I worked for 23 years as a research scientist for the large nuclear electric utility OPG and became involved in the study of hydrogen embrittlement of zirconium pressure tubes. This was a major problem and concern for AECL, the designer of the CANDU reactor. AECL needed to explain to our nuclear regulator why so much hydrogen was entering the pressure tubes in the 500 MW Units at Pickering. AECL proposed a THEORY that made no sense to me. I spent 5 years studying real samples of highly radioactive tubing and found lots of evidence that AECL’s theory was plain WRONG! I presented my results at a number of meetings and was essentially shouted down. I did more research and found to my horror that one of my colleagues was cooking up data at a well-known Canadian University to support the dubious AECL theory. I approached a post-doc at the University who I could trust and together we checked the computer code being used to generate the data and found the steps in the program where the “fudging” was being covertly carried out. I tried to expose this deception and was blocked at every turn. I was barred from speaking to or corresponding with zirconium experts at ASTM who had published the fudged data. I was barred from submitting an article, correcting the fudged data, to a journal. I was threatened with a lawsuit by a professor even though I had a letter from the same professor admitting that data had been falsified. After battling “the system” for 5 years I took early retirement out of frustration and disgust with the state of science in industry and academia here in Canada.

My 9/11 Research:

About 2 years after my early retirement I began researching 9/11 and became fascinated by the collapse of WTC 1 & 2. I realized that it would be of great interest to calculate the collapse times for a gravity driven collapse and compare the result with observations. This I did, and wrote up my findings in the “Energy Transfer” article that was subsequently posted on the 911Myths website. I was quite surprised at the response to my work: the calculations were well received by some but scorned by others.

The model I based my calculation on was indeed quite crude, so I have endeavored to improve it by including the effects of variable column strength and mass shedding. I tested the improved model and found that the towers always exhibited a self-sustaining collapse for realistic values of the various input parameters. Nevertheless, while my model appeared to show that a gravity driven collapse of the Twin Towers was physically possible, I still had some doubts about collapse initiation. These doubts stemmed from the fact that my model assumes that the upper block of floors above the impact zone descends one storey under free fall, thereby providing more than enough energy to destroy the columns supporting the floor below and initiate a progressive collapse.

But did the collapse of each tower really begin with such a single floor failure? I studied the appropriate sections of the NIST Report seeking an answer to this question. It soon became apparent that the tipping of the upper section of each tower was a key feature of the collapse. Thus I began studying the tipping of WTC 1 & 2 and ultimately wrote two articles on this topic that were posted on 911Myths.

The research described in these articles showed that WTC 1 required almost 2 meters of downward displacement in the upper section of the building to initiate collapse. This is about two times the downward displacement required for the collapse of WTC 2, and six times NIST’s estimate of Dd(WTC 2) of about 30 cm based on its finite element computer model. In contrast, a simple energy analysis of the collapse shows that NIST’s small downward displacements lead to inferred collapse energies that are too low to be acceptable – we know the Twin Towers would not collapse that easily. Further, the geometry of a “Leaning WTC Tower” with an asymmetric downward displacement of 30 cm implies a tilt angle of less than ½ degree. Remarkably, however, NIST suggest that tilt angles before collapse initiation were more than 4° for WTC 1 & 2. Thus the NIST Final Report first underestimates the downward displacements within the Twin Towers, only to later overestimate the initial tilt angles to justify the collapse.

A close look at the failure of WTC 2 shows that the collapse began with a tilting or rotational motion of the upper section of the Tower about a “hinge” at the 80th floor. This rotational motion, which commenced at a tilt angle ~ 2°, was caused by an almost instantaneous multi-column failure that eliminated the structural support on one side of WTC 2 near the impact zone. Once set in motion, the upper block moved with a nearly “free” rotational trajectory of a body pivoting under the constant force of gravity. This behavior was sustained at tilt angles up to about 20°. Thereafter the motion of the block changed somewhat although the suggestion that the tilting suddenly stopped is not correct. What appears to happen is that the upper section was continuously crushed near the 80th floor by its own momentum so that the rotation was no longer that of a rigid body. Eventually the “hinge” at the northeast corner failed and the descending block took on a more vertical motion. Interestingly, once the hinge failed, and the pivot became frictionless, the motion of the center of gravity is predicted to become vertical, causing a shift in the rotational axis, as observed.

For most of 2006 I switched my attention to two important aspects of the collapse of WTC 1 & 2: the pulverization of concrete and the sustained high temperatures of the rubble pile. First, I carried out an energy balance analysis of the collapse of WTC 1 that included the energy consumed in crushing concrete on one floor (234 MJ) and compared this to other contributions to the energy dissipated by the collapse. As expected, the plastic strain energy dissipated by the buckling of columns (284 MJ) was confirmed to be the largest drain on the kinetic energy driving the collapse, but the energy to pulverize the concrete was clearly an important additional energy sink. However, I also concluded that such energy sinks should be summed over two WTC floors per impact to allow for the simultaneous destruction of the uppermost floor of the lower fixed section, and the lowest floor of the descending section. Such an assumption leads to an energy decrement that still assures a self-sustaining progressive collapse of WTC 1 if the input kinetic energy is derived from a one-storey free fall of the upper block- a condition that must be modified in a tipping scenario.

The sustained high temperatures of the rubble pile proved to be more problematic. The NIST Report indicates that about 100 tonnes of burning material and smoldering “embers”, at 500 – 700° C, fell into the rubble pile when the Twin Towers collapsed. Propagation of smoldering combustion within the rubble pile was sustained by the indigenous supply of live load “fuel”- consisting of office furniture, paper, textiles and plastic materials – and oxygen. Setting aside the issue of oxygen availability, let us consider how long the available fuel could last. The heat flux of a smoldering fire is typically ~ 8 kW/m2 from which we may calculate the average fuel consumption rate within the rubble pile. NIST estimate that there was initially about 50,000 kg of combustible material on each floor of WTC 1 & 2. If we assume that material from about 5 floors was consumed before the Towers collapsed, about 5,250,000 kg of “fuel” was initially available within the rubble from each Tower. It is a simple matter to show that this fuel would be able to sustain the rubble pile fires for no more than about 30 days. However, it was not until December 19th 2001, or 100 days after 9/11, that the Governor of New York, George Pataki, officially declared the WTC fires to be totally extinguished. We are left wondering what “stoked” the rubble pile fires beyond the expected 30 days.

Thus, by the start of 2007, I still had plenty of questions about the official version of the collapse of the Twin Towers. And this is essentially where I stand today. Unlike the self-assured posters on PhysOrg and JREF who claim to KNOW what happened to the Twin Towers, I remain a 9/11 agnostic.

And as a scientist I believe there is always room for doubt and for more research. In fact, that’s how I see research – a process of re-searching, of looking again. The NIST Report is a great start, but only that. It leaves some unanswered questions. It may satisfy the Arthurs (on PhysOrg) and the Gravys (on JREF) of this world, but not me. And my work experience in the Canadian nuclear industry has taught me to be skeptical of the “official” view – the consensus view – because it is usually politically motivated!

Finally, about my AP theory – it’s just that, a theory – but one that I believe is better than the current selection being offered by the conspiracy theorists. Sooner or later it will be replaced by another, and another, but unlike G. W. Bush, I am not bothered by “outrageous” theories…..


Cat Stevens

From the thread: Debate! What debate?

Did Dr. Greening engage in a form of sandbagging?

Couldn’t have happened at a nicer place.

3 years ago

Might as well go for the gusto,

Transcript of Coast to Coast AM Interview with Ian Punnett

from March 3, 2007

Ian: Well, let me just say, up front, that I know that there are going to be many people who are going to get torqued up on this show, and when we get to phone calls, several hours from now I want to give everybody a chance to respond to the information that they’re going to hear, but I think it’s really important for you to hear it out first and at least entertain the possibility of it before you possibly dismiss it.

David Hawkins is no dummy, he is a graduate of Cambridge University, a full member of the Scholars For 911 Truth, he’s a world authority on the use of applied mathematics, thermodynamics and deductive logic to analyze violent crime scenes, to identify weapons and opportunities and motives of the perpetrators, and since we look at 911 and say, ‘it’s not just one, but three massive crime scenes’, what better person to talk about what may have been behind the 911 attack. Next, all across North America, it’s Saturday night and this is Coast to Coast Live.

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The Pentagon was blind, deaf, and dumb on 9/11, Hawkins said. An electro-magnetic pulse bomb went off inside the Pentagon and knocked out the wire and wireless communications systems.

There were three debris fields in Shanksville, where the mayor saw the crater and smelled the burned plastic. Whatever it was was vaporized or liquefied. The crater had the shape of the tail, but it was empty.

There were thermal hot spots below buildings 1 and 2 and 7. You can’t get them without temperatures of 2800 degrees Farenheit. To vaporize, you need about 5,500 degrees.

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Wow, fascinating. Good for Coast to Coast. Here’s something from it I hadn’t heard before about the flight 93 recordings:

the technology exists were if I were to say, “I am in Fargo, North Dakota”, a computer could then carry on a conversation in my voice saying anything that the perpetrators wanted it to say.

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Good stuff for sure, and later in the phone call segment, Chad is the first caller,

CHAD: Well, good evening. I have a question that is really two pronged and relates to the Pentagon impact. The first one is, I think a lot of us have seen on the national news from that time, you see the video, a kind of a side video of the Pentagon, you see an explosion and you never see the aircraft impact and I realize that it was purportedly going at a very high rate of speed. But, someone needs to tell me, you know, with a regular camera, you have frames, but with video are there individual frames that we could have missed the aircraft impacting, because you do see the explosion but you never see the aircraft. Can you respond to that first?

DAVID: Yes, I can respond to that Ian. That was a, there were video frame and they’re every second video frames and it jumps from 18:90 and then it jumps to 21:00 seconds and then six seconds later there’s a huge pulse of electromagnetic energy that almost whitens the entire screen of the video camera which is, I think, consistent with the electromagnetic pulse they used to destroy or fry the wired or wireless systems. But, someone removed the 20th second frame from the camera at the parking. Now, had that been there, they would have caught whatever it was that was moving across the Pentagon lawn, right at midships. I think it’s a .49 of a second from the grassy knoll to take out the US Naval Command Center and judging by the white smoke, which I think is aluminum oxide consistent with rocket fuel having been ignited in the fuselage in the system and it was becoming a rocket. Had we caught that weapons platform in center we would have realized that it had become a rocket.

IAN: Let me, I’ve got to ask you a question about that video because it uh, you’ve mentioned it, is that a…was that pure video, video that was rolling like real time video like you would have regular sort of [frame?] video, or, was that a series of stills that were being clicked off regularly onto the video.

DAVID: Yes, yes. They’re stills. You can see the clock counting at the side, so there is a frame that’s changing.

IAN: Wouldn’t there naturally be gaps…

DAVID: The 20th second frame has been removed.

IAN: OK. So, that gap though, between the events, having gaps between the events is not unusual because it’s a series of stills as opposed to a straight video.

DAVID: Except that each frame is every second and it goes from, you can see it counting up, 17 seconds, 18 seconds, 19 seconds and then it jumps, i.e., there’s no 20th second frame?

IAN: Right.

DAVID: And then it jumps to the 21st, meaning someone has removed the 20th frame.

IAN: Intriguing, very intriguing. Let’s get to John, west of the Rockies, in Vancouver on Coast to Coast Live, John?

Transcript of Coast to Coast Interview

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3 years ago

This video raises an interesting question, but aside from that I’ll link it because I think its hellarious:

How fake does this guy sound? gotta love his hand movements, fucking Classic.

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3 years ago

I put that video up 4 weeks ago. I still laugh, when I hear the guy on the street say,

And then I witnessed both towers collapse, one first then the second, mostly due to structural failure, because the fire was just too intense.

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3 years ago

I did not realize, when I posted this video a week ago, that the person, who made the film is Rasputin, who started this thread many moons ago.

3 years ago

Rasputin wrote this a couple of days ago in the forum

3 years ago

Pentagon helipad clock.

Description: This Skilcraft electric wall clock, which hung in the Pentagon helipad fire station, was knocked to the ground by the impact of American Airlines flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon.

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The Pentagon Attack Papers=

Barbara Honegger

The Pentagon Attack Papers, Seven Hours in September The Clock that Broke the Lie

This Army financial management/audit area is part of, or contiguous to, the Army personnel offices, which was one of two main west section offices heavily destroyed in the Pentagon attack, the other being the NavalCommand Center. The day before 9/11, September 10, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld held a press conference atwhich he acknowledged that the Pentagon was “missing”—could not account for and needed to “find”—$2.3 Trillion dollars (other reports said $2.6 Trillion). Were the auditors who could “follow the money,” and the computers whosedata could help them do it, intentionally targeted? It is worth noting that the Pentagon’s top financial officer at thetime, Dov Zakheim, who also acknowledged the “missing” trillions, had a company that specializes in aircraft remote-control technology. As remnants found in the Pentagon wreckage have been identified as the front-hub assembly ofthe front compressor of a JT8D turbojet engine used in the A-3 Sky Warrior jet fighter,5and as Air Force A-3 SkyWarriors—normally piloted planes—were secretly retrofitted to be remote-controlled drones and fitted with missilesin a highly compartmented operation at an airport near Ft. Collins-Loveland Municipal Airport in Colorado in the
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months before 9/11,6the question further arises as to whether Pentagon auditors and their computerized data wereintentionally targeted on 9/11.

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Interviews from Irvine conference

Webster Tarpley says the 911 Truth Movement had an impact on the 2006 elections. “The 911 story could not be used anymore to terrorize people,” Tarpley said.

The American people understand, but the institutions are another story ….....

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Description: clock frozen at the time of impact

010914-F-4692S-017 Arlington, Va. (Sep. 14, 2001) — A Clock frozen at the time of impact when a hijacked commercial airliner crashed into the Pentagon on Sep. 11. The terrorist attack caused extensive damage to the Pentagon. American Airlines FLT 77 was bound for Los Angeles from Washington Dulles with 58 passengers and 6 crew. All aboard the aircraft were killed, along with 125 people in the Pentagon. U.S. Navy Photo Courtesy of DoD Photographer Staff Sgt. Larry A. Simmons. (RELEASED)

Footnote 2

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3 years ago

Retired physicist claims 9/11 attack was really controlled demolition

The Daily Texan

Ex-BYU professor bases theory on examination of dust samples
By: Philip Jankowski
Posted: 4/16/07

Stephen E. Jones, a retired physicist from Brigham Young University, announced his findings Saturday that imply a controlled demolition as the cause of the collapse of the World Trade Center towers on Sept. 11, 2001, instead of the impact from the two airplanes.

His findings were announced during the Project for the New American Citizen’s two day event “Rebuilding America’s Senses: Exposing False-Flag Terrorism to Prevent a New 9/11.”

“We’re trying to expose this idea that governments have used false-flag terrorism in order to get their public to go to war,” said Matt Dayton, co-founder of the Project for the New American Citizen and radio-television-film junior.

“I’m sure [Stephen Jones] is a talented scientist,” said Thomas Kelley, government junior and president of College Republicans at Texas. “But I think he can bend it anyway he wants. As a scientist, he can present facts in any way he chooses.”

As the headlining speaker on Saturday, Jones gave a technical presentation that examined dust from the collapse of the towers in an attempt to debunk a report by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which determined molten material photographed flowing out of the World Trade Center towers before their collapse was liquefied aluminum from the airplanes.

The molten material seen from several news and amateur cameras appeared a yellow-orange hue, but Jones said that when aluminum is melted, its color remains silvery. When Jones added several materials present in the towers to the molten aluminum, its color remained silver.

Jones was able to duplicate the color by adding aluminum and iron oxide. With the addition of sulfur, the liquid would become quite volatile.

“It could cut through steel like a hot knife through butter,” Jones said.

By examining dust particles obtained from ground zero, Jones was able to compare the compositions of metal particles with those that remain from controlled demolitions.

He claims that the two were nearly identical, resembling thermite, a fire “accelerant” that Jones said is often used for arson.

Jones was one of many speakers during the two-day event at Burdine Hall that culminated in a protest on the Main Mall on Sunday. The audience, some clad in leather jackets with the anarchy symbol spray painted on the back, others wearing shirts proclaiming that “9/11 was an inside job,” clapped wildly to the various allegations of war-mongering and calls to action.

“Go to hell, Karl Rove!” the audience shouted after Alex Jones, a radio talk show host who spoke before Stephen E. Jones, echoed what the audience thought of the former Deputy Chief of Staff for the George W. Bush administration.

Alex Jones, whose show “Infowars” has aired on public access television in Austin for several years, is noted for preemptively accusing the government on July 25, 2001, of preparing to launch a terrorist attack on the United States.

“I have to respect the fact that he has the right to say whatever he wants,” Kelley said, “But nothing he says is true or is helpful … . I think most importantly … it devalues the lives that were lost that day.”
© Copyright 2007 The Daily Texan

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3 years ago

Why the Media Cover Up 9/11


“I have been told by reporters that they will not report their own insights or contrary evaluations of the official 9/11 story, because to question the government story about 9/11 is to question the very foundations of our entire modern belief system regarding our government, our country, and our way of life. To be charged with questioning these foundations is far more serious than being labeled a disgruntled conspiracy nut or anti-government traitor, or even being sidelined or marginalized within an academic, government service, or literary career. To question the official 9/11 story is simply and fundamentally revolutionary. In this way, of course, questioning the official story is also simply and fundamentally American.”

Air Force Colonel Pentagon official Karen Kwiatkowski.

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UL Truth is not a Matter of Popularity


In fact, Underwriter Laboratories does not certify structural steel

David Dunbar, executive editor of Popular Mechanics

We now know that US Government scientists were not able to produce evidence for “widely dislodged” fireproofing within the World Trade Center towers on 9/11. Because of this, the distinction between the fire-based hypothesis of collapse and the demolition hypothesis centers on one question. Were the steel assemblies used to construct those buildings tested for fire resistance as required by the New York City code?

As I have stated many times in public, UL made it clear to me and others that they performed this testing. Of course I have their statements on the subject in writing, and I would have been a fool to have made such claims publicly without possessing such documentation. In contrast, Mr. Dunbar of Popular Mechanics does not seem to mind acting like an irresponsible fool in public, as his statement above indicates. His statement is foolish because it is widely known that UL does test and certify structural components for buildings such as the World Trade Center towers.

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3 years ago

John Kerry asked about Stephen Jones, controlled demolitions, and Building 7


“I do know that that wall, I remember, was in danger and I think they made the decision based on the danger that it had in destroying other things— that they did it in a controlled fashion.”

What happens when it becomes generally accepted that Building 7 was brought down by demolitions?

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3 years ago

I get very irritated with “liberals” who claim they aren’t aware of the research. That’s their job to be aware of it.

3 years ago

Do you remember these two links from the previous page about John Conner, who has been doing his best to spread the word about 911. Of all places, they talked about John on The View.

Here is a clip of John Conner doing his thing at San Diego State University

Well John is still stirring things up, and when he does that, he reminds me of the late sixties-early seventies, when the country really went through the ringer, over the Vietnam War, just as it is doing right now over Iraq.

Here is some video on a confrontation he had with Danny Bonaduce, who did not appreciate Conner’s efforts one bit.

If you have time, check out the 9:07 minute video of the Danny Bonaduce appearance on the O’Reilly Factor where he talks about the incident, then the second half, when Conner rebuts.

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Richard Gage video part 1 from Sonoma State Univ. April 20

Architect, Richard Gage explores the flawed conclusions of the 911 Commission report and the conclusions of NIST, in this new presentation on evidence supporting controlled demolition for World Trade 1, 2 and 7.

Newly produced architectural blueprints of the north tower augment Richard’s analysis.

Produced by John Parulis of brightpathvideo

The presentation at Sonoma State Univ, Project Censored, is divided in 3 parts, this is part 1

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3 years ago

So Dr. Jones has thermate etc., seems like there’s evidence out there, so what now? Someone want to press charges? Against whom?

3 years ago

I suppose this is the biggest case so far.

Philip Berg started a few years back with Ellen Mariani, who did not take the bribe money offered by the government and tried to sue. Her case ran into big trouble. And there were other cases.

There are other types of cases out there too.

Court Ruling May Stop 9/11 Air Quality Lawsuits

There are a lot of links about the original Mariani case here.

Mariani vs. Bush

And going way back to 2002,

Bush administration moves to stifle discovery in 9/11 lawsuits

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Wow suitcaseman, that’s a pretty broad case. Is that the wisest move? Do we trust this guy Berg?

3 years ago

Then there is the case involving 911 victims, who are suing Saudi Arabia, the one where James Baker is defending the Saudis. Of course these are all civil suits, although the Rodriguez case is being brought under the RICO statutes, and it alleges something more than negligence.

Right now Dr. Jones is taking his evidence to the court of public opinion, working hard to get the word out, and he and others have been quite successful. They have made their way onto mainstream television. There is quite an effort underway to make Congress-people aware of the 911 Truth Movement.

I noticed Representative Henry Waxman, chairman the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, made the news tonight, because his committee is looking into the Jessica Lynch and the Pat Tillman lies, lies having to do with the general propaganda that the government has manufactured to gain support for the Iraq War.

Last I knew Philip Berg was a member of Scholars for 911 Truth. I trust him.

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A Civil Action


Asked why he decided to bring this controversial lawsuit, Rodriguez explains that, having survived the World Trade Center disaster when so many did not, he feels he must learn the truth of what happened on that day. “If what the government has told us about 9-11 is a lie,” he says, “somebody has to take action to reveal the truth. Since that plane hit the North Tower on 9-11, like it or not my life’s meaning has become to reduce the number of victims, and the amount of suffering from those attacks. If suing President Bush is what I have to do to accomplish that, so be it.”

You can’t make the story smaller than it is, although the government always does.

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Rosie Tells ABC To Screw Its 9/11 Censorship

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Giuliani Caught In Bizarre Building 7 Lie

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the way number 7 came down 4 or 5 o’clock in the afternoon“ — Rudy Giuliani, April 19, 2007, National Memorial in Ahoma City,OK

Classic propaganda. Make a significant detail about 9/11 insignificant.

I’m supposed to believe this person — Rudy Giuliani, with his intellect, and his intimacy and involvement in lower Manhattan on 9/11 — can’t remember exactly when WTC 7 came down?

I ain’t buying it.

3 years ago

The entire audio is available at the link I provided above. It is about an hour.

Giuliani was a speaker at the Oklahoma City Museum and National Memorial in Ahoma City Oklahoma on April 19, 2007, the anniversary of the Oklahoma bombing.

Former Oklahoma City mayor Ron Norick was also a speaker.

What strikes me about the excerpt is what Giuliani ultimately said about Buildings 1 and 2, or Buildings 1 or 2, and that is, that he was shocked to see it implode.

Giuliani said he was inside the Police Command Post, he said he heard it, he said the building started shaking (he was in Building 7). He said he did not envision the collapse until he saw it on television. He said it was a shock to see it implode.

Direct Link to Entire C-Span Audio

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He said it was a shock to see it implode.

Sure. I’m surprised he didn’t say “exploded“ at times; to add to his obfuscating.

This way, when 911-Truthers are talking about what happened, how they want to get more details, to find out the truth. People will respond . . .

I know it imploded. Giuliani said so! That doesn’t mean it could have fallen due to “controlled demolition.”

3 years ago

That is a good observation. And you are right. This is how they condition people.

My point is, one day, when the government admits that Building 7 was brought down by explosives, which, for reasons of national security, they could not tell us about, what will the detractors of the controlled demolition theory say then? Oh! Well, we know that Building 7 came down by controlled demolition, that is obvious, but that does not mean that Buildings 1 and 2 came down by controlled demolitions.

This is a hard concept to understand, but the government does it all the time, when they get cornered and have no other way to explain something. For example, after years and years of investigation into the JFK assassination, ultimately the government became willing to admit that a plot to kill JFK may have originated among anti-Castro Cubans and their supporters within the CIA, but if it happened, it was without approval from the top.

These are called limited hangouts, they are still trotting them out, the most recent, E. Howard Hunt, who apparently made a deathbed confession, in which, he said that he was asked to participate in the JFK assassination, then as the story unravels, we learn that E. Howard Hunt blamed LBJ for the assassination, LBJ being another limited hangout or false sponsor.

So the scenario may go like this. We have heard that Building 7 housed the most secret operations of several of the most clandestine agencies of the U.S. Government. We know there are three or four floors in Building 7 that constitute a bunker, and there are rumors that the building was pre-wired to destroy classified information. The government may someday claim, that for reasons of national security, it did not tell us the truth, which was that a decision was made on September 11, 2001, to implode Building 7, which was pre-wired with explosives, which were designed to implode the building in an emergency.

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3 years ago

So the scenario may go like this. . . .

Nice. Thanks for keep this thread updated, Suitcaseman.

3 years ago

Thanks and you certainly are welcome.


A major Italian network has recently aired some conclusive evidence that Building 7 was demolished with explosives

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The exclusive story of Robert F. Kennedy’s secret search for the truth about John F. Kennedy’s assassination. From the new book by Salon’s founder and former editor in chief.


Kennedy had another revealing phone conversation on the afternoon of Nov. 22. Speaking with Enrique “Harry” Ruiz-Williams, a Bay of Pigs veteran who was his most trusted ally among exiled political leaders, Bobby shocked his friend by telling him point-blank, “One of your guys did it.” Who did Kennedy mean? By then Oswald had been arrested in Dallas. The CIA and its anti-Castro client groups were already trying to connect the alleged assassin to the Havana regime. But as Kennedy’s blunt remark to Williams makes clear, the attorney general wasn’t buying it. Recent evidence suggests that Bobby Kennedy had heard the name Lee Harvey Oswald long before it exploded in news bulletins around the world, and he connected it with the government’s underground war on Castro. With Oswald’s arrest in Dallas, Kennedy apparently realized that the government’s clandestine campaign against Castro had boomeranged at his brother.

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Excerpt from the Excerpt

Recent evidence suggests that Bobby Kennedy had heard the name Lee Harvey Oswald long before it exploded in news bulletins around the world, and he connected it with the government’s underground war on Castro. With Oswald’s arrest in Dallas, Kennedy apparently realized that the government’s clandestine campaign against Castro had boomeranged at his brother.

One of my favorite subjects as you can see here

Imagine how our country works. Robert Kennedy’s brother is shot down in Dallas. RFK is Attorney General, yet there’s nothing he can do about it.

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Welcome to!

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Our apologies: Our site is being persistently,

maliciously hacked: We need to spend

some time reviewing our security situation…

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3 years ago

New Article Posted At The Journal Of 9/11 Studies By Dr. David Ray Griffin

The Journal of 9/11 Studies

Volume 11 – May 2007
The American Empire and 9/11
(full-length version with notes)
David Ray Griffin

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3 years ago

An Evening with William Rodriguez


Honored five times by President Bush, William Rodriquez helped draft and implement legislation on behalf of victim families and was a champion, along with victim family members, in demanding the creation of the 9/11 Commission, during which his eyewitness testimony was kept hidden from the public and then mysteriously excluded from its final report. Most intriguing in his testimony are references to massive explosions he and other co-workers experienced “before” the plane hit the building and just prior to its collapse. “We heard a loud rumble, then all of a sudden we heard another rumble,” Rodriguez told CNN moments after the collapse. However, as his descriptions about what he experienced became more precise, government officials started ignoring him and the media began editing his remarks. “As soon as I start talking about the explosions that I heard, nobody wants to listen,” he’s often quoted as saying. Though corroborated by dozens of witnesses, including firefighters and news reporters, the 9/11 Commission Report makes no mention of explosions. Rodriguez also approached the FBI and was never allowed to tell them what he knew.

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A Statement From Louder Than Words and MercuryMedia


We write to you as members of ‘Patriots Question 9/11’ and the producers of Loose Change 2 and Loose Change Final Cut with a message to fellow ‘truthers’ and interested media entities, that we will never submit to the demonic forces that seek to silence us.

Over the last few weeks a number of ‘newsworthy’ individuals and organizations connected with Loose Change and the 9/11 truth movement have been subjected to a campaign of vicious intimidation. The intimidators include presenters on Rupert Murdoch’s Fox, ‘Fair and Balanced’ News, disgraced former US senate majority leader Tom ‘Hot Tub’ Delay, Michele ‘put every Muslim in a concentration camp’ Malkin and Nick ‘Virgin, I promise you PR poison’ Rizutto.

Their targets: Mark Cuban’s 29/29 entertainment group and his NBA team the Dallas Mavericks; Richard Branson’s Virgin Atlantic; actor Charlie Sheen; and talk-show host Rosie O’Donnell. Their alleged crime is associating themselves or their companies with Loose Change and suggesting that people should be free to decide for themselves about 9/11 truth.

Post Modified: 05/08/07 23:53:37

3 years ago

Crucially according to respected pollsters, ‘Zogby’ over 42% of the American population, now believe that there has been a cover up over 9/11. This is translating into practical problems for the US administration, which is now finding it difficult to recruit potential jurors in trials of terrorist suspects because so many ordinary people now no longer believe the official story.

We will release our new film Loose Change Final Cut on the weekend preceding September 11th 2007, with screenings planned in key cities in the United States.

How any MIHOP can say that CD is not the smoking gun with legs – the main avenue we should be pursuing – is beyond me. Clearly, this is where the passion and momentum is building. People haven’t the patience or imagination for building a “preponderence of evidence” legal case. Let’s go for the hard science, it’s there. Yeah!

3 years ago

we will never submit to the demonic forces that seek to silence us

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

3 years ago

It just does not get any better than this

Video of Webster Tarpley On Hannity and Colmes

3 years ago

That was fun. The revolution will come from Hannity and Colmes viewers before it comes from the left, heh.

3 years ago

FOX News Tries To Link John Kerry To 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

Of course, Hannity and Colmes are so concerned about the 911 victims. 911 Conspiracy Theorists are hurting the families of the 911 victims.

Who was it that started that? Bill O’Reilly does it everytime somebody tries to talk about the unanswered questions about 911.

Maybe if the government had carried out a bonafide investigation instead of a complete whitewash, the 911 families would not have to suffer so much?

Post Modified: 05/10/07 09:53:56

3 years ago

Tarpley Comments on 9/11 Truth Squads and his FOX News appearance

direct link

Tarpley talks about his appearance on what he called “a zoo” the Hannity and Colmes Show on FOX-TV. He got on the show due to the efforts of the Austin 911 Truth Squad.

I received a call from FOX News, the show is a zoo, but it is a golden opportunity to remind people that there is a 911 Truth Movement, and that we do not accept subordination to the Democratic party, Tarpley said.

The show’s producers are paid by Ruppert Murdoch and Roger Ailes, Tarpley said, so they knew not expect too much.

Anytime they have to talk about Building 7, it is a defeat for them, Tarpley said.

The volume for Hannity and Colmes was much higher than it was for me said Tarpley.

Post Modified: 05/10/07 23:31:48

3 years ago

Truth believers

Truth believers: Some of the least-likely conspiracy theorists fervently preach the gospel of 9/11 accountability

By Christine G.K. LaPado
May 3, 2007


The group gathers monthly in the Chico Library. The meetings, coordinated by local computer consultant Bill Donnelly, regularly feature movie screenings as well as discussions. At a recent meeting, about a dozen people watched Improbable Collapse: The Demolition of Our Republic, which features Dr. Steven E. Jones, a BYU physicist, speaking out against the official theory behind the collapse of the Twin Towers and WTC 7.

Post Modified: 05/12/07 23:41:15

3 years ago

A real late night or early morning treat.

I discovered it by listening to the radio program on GCN that I linked people to above (the direct link to Thursday’s GCN program with Webster Tarpley) that the author of Farewell to Justice, Joan Mellen, was on talking first about the deathbed statements by E. Howard Hunt, then about two books that came out recently about the JFK assassination, this is a great conversation, in which Mellon and Tarpley broach the connection between the JFK assassination and 911.

Joan if you are listening, don’t let jerks like Bugliosi get you down. Mellen is distraught, because there are people still out there trying to discredit the work of Jim Garrison.

Don’t worry Joan, let them pick up the book On the Trail of the Assassins, and they will learn the truth and know that they are learning it.

Post Modified: 05/13/07 00:34:37

3 years ago

Major New Paper Published by Dr. Steven Jones


In this paper I focus on the application of the scientific method to the study of what really happened on 9/11/2001, particularly in the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings.

There is something here to look at in depth: this is serious business. It is not just “nutty fringe science” or “conspiracy theory” that can be rejected without even considering the data.

There is need for scientific scrutiny as I hope to demonstrate in this paper. In fact my colleagues and I now feel that we have sufficient data to conclude that the collisions of jets with the two Towers are NOT sufficient to explain the complete and rapid collapses of both Towers and WTC 7.

We conclude that the evidence is compelling that the destruction of the WTC buildings involved planted cutter charges (such as explosives and incendiaries). We will consider this evidence

Post Modified: 05/15/07 10:05:04

3 years ago

WTC7 Collapse to be Discussed by Experts on The View


We have now come to understand that prominent 9/11 film makers and other activists within the movement are scheduled to appear on The View in upcoming weeks, as well as debunkers like Popular Mechanics, but that the two camps will appear on separate shows and not engage in a debate of any kind.

Expect a week long orgy of ad hominem attack pieces from Neo-Con attack dogs like O’Reilly, Hannity and the rest of the usual suspects.

Post Modified: 05/15/07 10:13:57

3 years ago

Debunker Buster

Post Modified: 05/15/07 10:17:53

3 years ago

Suitcaseman, thank-you. Jones’ new paper is a must read. Finally something I can email out to my friends that’s impressive and definitive. I have been holding off, waiting for something like this. Is Jones going to be on the View? When is that?

3 years ago

Your are welcome, Chickenma.

Here is a review of the new book by David Griffin, which is available here

Debunker Buster

by Tod Fletcher
May 12, 2007

Debunking 9/11 Debunking is a monumental accomplishment by David Ray Griffin. He exhaustively and definitively destroys the pretensions of four major “9/11 debunking” publications published in 2006, shortly before the fifth anniversary of the events. Although the book is organized into chapters dealing with each one of the four publications in turn, Griffin has such a broad knowledge of all the evidence pertaining to the events, and such command of logic and argument, that the book is thoroughly cohesive and progressively builds an integrated critique of all dimensions of the official theory. Debunking 9/11 Debunking will effectively serve as a veritable encyclopedia of not just the facts of 9/11, but of the best arguments to debunk the official (and semi-official) lies about the facts. Griffin, as usual, avoids speculation and focuses on showing that the official story of what happened that day cannot be true. . . .

Debunking 9/11 Debunking is a tremendous book, which should be read by everyone. By utterly destroying each of the well-funded, best efforts of the government to defend its case in the court of public opinion, the book effectively finishes off the official conspiracy theory. With this book in its arsenal, the 9/11 truth movement is set to take the offensive. It is time to launch this Debunker Buster at the hardened fortresses of the mass murderers within. Do what the perpetrators fear most. Read this book!

Post Modified: 05/15/07 23:19:51

3 years ago

About The View, just below the post you referred to, Chickenma, is the latest news, as far as I know, about who might be on to talk about 911, and the original post came from Netscape.

You know Rosie suggested seems like a couple of months ago now, that they get an expert on the show to talk about Building 7 and controlled demolitions in general, and the word was out that she had asked I believe, Stephen Jones, the former Utah professor, to come on the show.

There is some discussion of it here,

Steven Jones to Appear on the View?

“A person from Rosie’s team contacted me by E mail,” Professor Jones told the Alex Jones Show, “so I wrote back to them and said I would be glad to appear and I named two other physicists who I trust who could also appear.”

The guy who wrote the article does not like Stephen Jones. He thinks he has a screw loose.

Post Modified: 05/15/07 23:16:56

3 years ago

The View To Host Segment on Building 7


All of their discussions have ended the same way, with a mutual decision to bring in some experts to sort the whole thing out. It appears that they are going to get their wish. On her blog, in response to a question about having experts appear on the show from both sides of the WTC 7 issue, Rosie responded “the show has been booked.” No word on when the segment will air or which experts will appear on the show.

Post Modified: 05/17/07 00:42:09

3 years ago

That video of the segment of The View is pretty good. You see how much smarter Rosie is than Elizabeth, very interesting, or it is an act? Imagine saying that “the volcanic force of Buildings 1 & 2 coming down, that alone is enough to have brought Building 7 down”.

I can’t give Rosie too much credit, because somebody with more knowledge than she has could have really hammered Elizabeth on that, but Rosie is smart enough to know when enough is said. She remains on the show, and she is still making noise about Building 7.

Post Modified: 05/17/07 00:52:14

3 years ago

Just when you need something to prove a point, it comes along. The other part of the story, besides the fact that Building 7 came down like it was a controlled demolition, is that there exists, video evidence of explosions, of the firemen telling people to get out of the way, because the building was going to come down, and there exists the documented statements of emergency workers and police and firemen, which concern Buildings 1 & 2 and 7, and then along comes the mild-mannered William Rodriguez, who is not getting harassed on the Hannity and Colmes show, but showing up here and there spreading the truth about 911.

Notice he tells the newscaster that his testimony does not appear in the 911 Commission Report, but never fear, he is working his hardest to tell the people what really happened on 911.

9/11 Survivor Questions Official Story on Local Fox News

Post Modified: 05/20/07 11:58:55

3 years ago

Scientists Cast Doubt on Kennedy Bullet Analysis

Somebody just sent me this.


In a collision of 21st-century science and decades-old conspiracy theories, a research team that includes a former top FBI scientist is challenging the bullet analysis used by the government to conclude that Lee Harvey Oswald alone shot the two bullets that struck and killed President John F. Kennedy in 1963.

The “evidence used to rule out a second assassin is fundamentally flawed,” concludes a new article in the Annals of Applied Statistics written by former FBI lab metallurgist William A. Tobin and Texas A“M University researchers Cliff Spiegelman and William D. James.

Post Modified: 05/18/07 00:36:43

3 years ago

Senators want CIA to release 9/11 report By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer Thu May 17, 6:42 PM ET

[. . .]

The provision has been approved by the Senate twice, but never made into law.

[. . .]

Many of the individuals highlighted in the inspector general’s report are likely to have retired. But some are believed still to be in senior government positions, making the report’s findings even more sensitive at the CIA and perhaps elsewhere within the intelligence community.

The AP has reported that the two-year review of what went wrong before the suicide hijackings harshly criticized a number of the agency’s most senior officials.

That includes Tenet, former clandestine service chief Jim Pavitt and former counterterrorism center head Cofer Black, according to individuals familiar with the report, who spoke in 2005 on condition they not be identified.

Yet the report also offered some praise for actions of Tenet and others.

Pavitt is now a principal with The Scowcroft Group, an international business advisory firm, and Black is vice chairman of Blackwater USA, an international security firm whose clients include the CIA and other U.S. agencies.

3 years ago

TENTATIVE—The View—Upcoming 9/11 truth appearances announced

TENTATIVE—The View—Upcoming 9/11 truth appearances announced

According to a release from ABC, Korey Rowe and Dylan Avery, creators of the 9/11 conspiracy documentary Loose Change will appear on the May 24th show.

Also listed is William Rodriguez, who was a janitor at the North Tower of the World Trade Center, who has since become part of the 9/11 truth movement.

The only other guests listed for that date are the winners of Dancing With the Stars, so it appears that the show will not have representatives from both sides of the topic.

Rosie O’Donnell has said before that we have been hearing the other side for years, so maybe the show will only cover the topic from one angle. However, since the show line-up often goes through changes before the show is taped, it is possible that they might be adding additional guests. It is also possible that they might have the other side in another segment on a different day.

Post Modified: 05/21/07 23:30:10

3 years ago

Ya gotta love Rosie. And you too, Suitcaseman – Thanks!

3 years ago

Confirmed: No 911 on The View tomorrow

Our good buddy, reprehensor, posted this news on 911 Blogger


William Rodriguez has confirmed that the 9/11 View episode is not going forward tomorrow, but may be re-scheduled, and he wants people to know that he made the final call. However, he insists that bigger and better things are coming down the pipe, hence, the Sunjata post further down the page.

To hear it from the horse’s mouth, check out Rodriguez’s comments on the Alex Jones show earlier today (third hour).

Post Modified: 05/23/07 22:20:22

3 years ago

The Key is Passed to Daniel Sunjata


Following several successful meetings, William Rodriguez and Daniel Sunjata have decided to work together on a series of 9/11-related video projects. Beyond the partnership of Sunjata and Rodriguez, it is still unknown as to who else is involved behind the scenes.

We’re told that some of the projects will be focused on challenging Rodriguez’s detractors.

Post Modified: 05/23/07 22:34:10

3 years ago

What did they do? Threaten to kill him? I am so disappointed and disgusted with myself that I ever believed a real 9/11 discussion could happen on mainstream TV. For being such a cynic, I sure am a polyana.

3 years ago

I am so disappointed and disgusted with myself that I ever believed a real 9/11 discussion could happen on mainstream TV

That’s okay, Ma. We all slip our guard from time-to-time. At least you’ll not be fooled by the mainstream again.

Or in the words of Dubya, “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

3 years ago

Our buddy Reprehensor over at is on the case:

William Rodriguez has confirmed that the 9/11 View episode is not going forward tomorrow, but may be re-scheduled, and he wants people to know that he made the final call. However, he insists that bigger and better things are coming down the pipe, hence, the Sunjata post further down the page.

To hear it from the horse’s mouth, check out Rodriguez’s comments on the Alex Jones show earlier today (third hour). (click on infowars main stream) (follow the radio links to D/L)

If you haven’t seen today’s “The View” episode, you may find it informative. Elizabeth was off her leash today;

3 years ago

It’s going to be a turkey shoot. Remember those words from JFK. There were as many as nine to eleven shots fired in Dealey Plaza on November 21, 1963. For those, who bothered to examine the evidence, this was discovered many moons ago. No amount of disinformation churned out by the establishment will ever change the facts. How many witnesses (68) said the shots came from the grassy knoll. The establishment has no interest in what real live witnesses have to say, because their statements will lead to the truth.

Anyway, back to the turkey shoot. There were many explosions, and they are documented in the statements that the government withheld for years, statements from emergency workers, police, and firemen. Why would anybody want to hear from them, after all they are only live witnesses.

3 years ago

This is entertaining, 911 Blogger posts a lot of stuff like this, what with the 911 Truth Squads out on missions,

911 Blogger

On 5/24/07 the University of Iowa Chapter of a Project for a New American Citizen went to a Sam Brownback event to question him on several … all » issues. When no Q & A opportunity was presented, one member managed to inform him on the issues of WTC 7 and the latest findings of Professor Steven E. Jones. Brownback asked “what would you like for me to do?” We requested that the Senator become informed on the circumstances surrounding the collapse of WTC 7 and to support a new and independent investigation into the events of 9/11/2001.

3 years ago

Sam Brownback moved away from that conversation pretty fast after he said to the kid, “What would you like me to do?”

The kid just graduated from the University of Iowa, with a degree in Electrical Engineering, and he is telling the Senator that it has always bothered him that at 5:20 on that fateful day, World Trade Center 7, which is 47-stories, came down, and it was not hit by a plane, and there were no significant fires, yet it collapsed in 6.6 seconds, and then the kid told Brownback that The 911 Commission Report does not contain any information about the collapse of Building 7. When the kid mentioned that Stephen Jones, retired professor from Utah, was doing an experiment with molten spheres, it was right then and there that Brownback said, “What would you like me to do?”

And for all intents and purposes, Mr. Brown back never heard another word the kid said.

3 years ago

I don’t know where to put this, but let’s put it here. Remember you can’t be all that optimistic given the way things have gone. It does not look like the U.S. troops are going to be coming home any time soon, and after all it all started with 911. Remember the world pre-911, stop sometime, concentrate on your heart area, let all the tension go, and think back to what it was like before 911.

This guy Corsi was hysterical a couple of nights ago, when he appeared in the first hour of the Coast to Coast radio program, trying to make it look like Bush was going to take over the country. See, we have always laughed at that notion, and deep down inside, it is hard to believe that something like that could happen. Or has it already happened?

Bush makes power grab

Post Modified: 05/25/07 22:22:02

3 years ago

ROSIE Discussing 9-11 With Studio Audience

“It’s hard to say”, said Rosie to the audience, while her make-up artist applied the finishing touches to her, “It is hard to say in America”.

Post Modified: 05/27/07 23:54:35

3 years ago

Rosie O’Donnell Changes Her View, Plans Rock Tour With Cyndi Lauper


As for O’Donnell’s departure from “The View,” those close to her say she knew the party was over last Wednesday, the day ABC did a split screen between her and Elisabeth Hasselbeck as their on-air fight raged without commercials.

Post Modified: 05/29/07 22:56:32

3 years ago

This is the program where they started to talk about getting an expert on to talk about World Trade Center 7

Meltdown on the View

BTW, last week the day that they were supposed to talk about 911 on The View, we know it did not happen, but just in case it might have happened, it would have been pre-empted anyway, by George W. Bush.

Well, it is all over now, there will be no more talk about Building 7 on The View.

And here is what the conspiracy theorists thinks about it.

Inside Scoop On Why Rosie Left The View

Oh well, next!

Post Modified: 05/29/07 23:10:21

3 years ago

Thanks for trying, Rosie…

3 years ago


Judy Wood 10 mins long —- Direct Link to mp3

and look


FuzzyBlobs are incredible!!
Why dump the dirt?

Post Modified: 05/30/07 01:29:27

3 years ago

This is the kind of stuff we should be looking at, it is literally all over the place. And it is great to hear from one of this thread’s significant contributors, who brings us what else? A significant contribution.

3 years ago

Heres another cracker…

rick siegel who filmed the destruction of both towers was told by Alex Jones that he should ‘remove’ the helicopters from his video …. yup, remove the helicopters.


well it seems that 911eyewitness is about to drop the bomb with regard to the helicopters.. more specifically ‘Chopper 4’.

It came as a huge surprise to me. All of a sudden a video at my desktop that shows just who the “Chopper 4” is.

I am working on a new video for this and expose the people who had control of that helicopter. I think that after seeing the new music video you will understand why Alex Jones asked me to take out the helicopters before the showing with Charlie Sheen in LA last June.

The helicopters have provided some of the most compelling video and pictures of the powerful forces pulverizing the building contents and yet Chopper 4 goes unidentified.

This is the helicopter I describe in my film as looking as if they were finally going to make a rescue. The black clad helmeted figure hanging out on the winch dangling something. I saw the guy waving his shirt below and let the binoculars down to zoom in the camera as Chopper 4 leaves the scene and the south Tower collapses.

This new music video identifies who controlled Chopper 4 and you will freak out!

Watch for this New Music Video “Chopper 4 Where Are You?”

911 Mysteries edits and bastardises footage

Reprehensor is part of the clique

3 years ago

Jesus Zark. Siegel needs to chill. And Fetzer is a disruptive retard.
Wood has some great photos on her site, but DEWS is a dead end, bro.

You got a link for that chopper 4 stuff?

Post Modified: 05/31/07 02:11:11

3 years ago

Wow, egos everywhere – just what Cindy Sheehan was compaining about. What’s DEWS?

3 years ago

Wow, egos everywhere – just what Cindy Sheehan was compaining about. What’s DEWS?

3 years ago

Direct Energy Weapons. Woods advocates orbital beam weapons as the culprit.

3 years ago

Woods advocates orbital beam weapons as the culprit

no, she doesn’t. Where did you get that idea from?

Vigilant Guardian — just another troll. I aint your bro and you can google it when it appears.
I aint your donkeyboy.

Chickenma1 — the link to a brief Wood mp3 is there and a link to the stuff she is discussing is there.


Post Modified: 05/31/07 13:30:50

3 years ago

Thanks zark. Here are the notes from Judy Wood’s radio interview. She has examined pictures that are up on governement websites.

Dr. Judy Wood From Dust to Dirt

Jane Doe 0911.tripod com/dirt2html
check out the Fuzzballs link

Figure 49. “fuming cars” on Vesey Street

Clear blue sky and you see something starting to come up off the ground
Notice fuzziness around their feet fuzzy
stuff comes up that was manufactured from the dust that has fallen
Smoking gun

Materials landed on the ground and continued to come apart
molecules breaking down
finer and finer

They started scrubbing the streets and sidewalks
Brought in dirt and dumped on it
The Pile was very small but it started getting bigger after they put dirt on it

That is how you take care of chemical leaks

Potting soil front yard dirt 4 in front of building not affected by fire
The steel beams instantly rusted
Turn to orange steel dust
This is on the FEMA website
See in this picture bright orange rust
Steel coming apart
The evidence is in the clean up

Pepsi truck very rusted just on the front end
Iron does not do that

Picture taken on September 13th
see the pile has lots of dirt on it now
Very red red-orangy steel pieces in the picture
Bright orange not retouched
uniform orange color
Brought in lots of dirt to cover it up

Why would the air be orange?

That is the material coming apart and anybody inhaling that was inhaling the molecular breakdown
Dust causes a problem and they covered it up with dirt

Dirt 3 page
first picture potting soil across the street from the complex with no fire
Few days after 911
Crumpled up firetrucks full of dirt

Pictures 84 and 85
bucket brigade standing on dirt
no dirt there beforehand
So what is this bucket brigade?

Picture 89 is a killer
first day FEMA entered the picture fresh dirt
Put dirt on the rubble pile
Steam is the material disintegrating
continuing to come apart
The story of the molten metal is put out there as a coverup
Not one picture of molten metal
just puddles of water

Figure 95
looking right at plaza level
see some of the sidewalk two days after 911 dirt

102 and 103
truck loads of dirt first four yellow trucks
Uniform dirt on the first three trucks
does not look like debris
Looks like steam
see puddles of water
not hot
you can see a rainbow

Bright bright orange core columns extremely rusty
Bright bright reddish orange like iron
the last of the columns
What do you think happened to the rest of the structure?

From the Dust 2 page
once it lands it continues to come apart
Comes up with people walking on it
later on does not even need people to walk on it
Looks like a rock video
dry ice making steam across the stage
Pretty good smoking gun
especially the hosing down of the scene

Fuzzyblobs go and eat up cars
disintegrate the cars
The gas tanks did not explode
but the engine blocks disintegrated

Cover the molecular dissociation with dirt
keep it wet and haul it out
Dry weather steam coming up, wet weather none

Moist potting soil type dirt on it
hosing it down to mud
Six months later workers are wearing respirators with
monitors on their masks, which measure how much exposure
They are aware of what they were cleaning up
They had knowledge of what they were doing
and they did not tell the people

Molecular Dissociation: from Dust to Dirt

Post Modified: 06/01/07 11:54:32

3 years ago

no, she doesn’t. Where did you get that idea from?

listen to this, tough guy.

Fetzer and Woods imitate drunken retards.mp3

Vigilant Guardian—just another troll.

Says the guy who attacks people who won’t buy his no-plane bullshit.
Says the guy who is attacking Reprehensor.
If i’m a troll you’re a divisive dickhead.

Fetzer is the troll. I’m not surprised you back him.

Siegel is fast going that way too, i’m sad to say.
Is that petty bullshit drama you posted the reason 9-11 mysteries has been pulled from all over the place?

I aint your bro and you can google it when it appears.
I aint your donkeyboy.

I don’t care that you’re not my bro.
But asking you to source what you post is reasonable, asshat.

Post Modified: 05/31/07 20:40:49

3 years ago

thanks for that post and link… ;)


3 years ago

FOX News Marginalizes Giuliani Critics And 9/11 Victims As Campaign Crazies


A group of New York City firefighters and family members of 9/11 victims, upset with the faulty radios and what they called a lack of coordination at Ground Zero, have been protesting at Rudy Giuliani’s fundraisers in an effort to challenge his media image as a 9/11 hero. But rather than air the allegations in a fair and balanced forum, FOX News marginalized the critics as “campaign crazies” and equated them with a man who said he would never vote for Romney because he’s a Mormon. Sadly, “Democratic strategist” Kirstin Powers declined the opportunity to advocate for the other side. With video.

Post Modified: 06/01/07 22:25:34

3 years ago

We might as well get to know Judy Wood, what crazy loon is she, who is examining the grounds around the WTC for evidence of what, some crazy conspiracy?

Her Homepage

Her picture

And her bio

Post Modified: 06/01/07 23:10:14

3 years ago

And just when you didn’t think it could get any better it does. What is the explanation for the toasted cars,

3 years ago

Could the shock wave have done something like that?

3 years ago

Cindy Sheehan: Twin Towers’ Collapse Looked Like Controlled Demolition

Anti-war icon Cindy Sheehan has gone public on her support for the 9/11 truth movement after she told a radio show that the collapse of the twin towers looked like a controlled demolition and that there should be a new investigation into the terrorist attacks.

Sheehan, who made headlines this week after she distanced herself from the Democratic party and the establishment left, joined Alex Jones to share her views on her skepticism towards the official 9/11 story.

3 years ago

This woman does not mince words

Sheehan attacked Hillary Clinton as a “warhawk and a “warmonger” and said there was very little distinction between her and John McCain or Rudy Giuliani.

On 9/11, Sheehan expressed her support for the Jersey Girl’s petition, which calls for a new independent investigation of the terrorist attacks, slamming the 9/11 Commission Report as a “total travesty and a smokescreen.”

“George Bush and Dick Cheney held hands and testified behind closed doors, not under oath,” said Sheehan, adding, “There are many things that just don’t add up on that day.”

3 years ago

Could the shock wave have done something like that?

I’m bothered by a few of the questions at `toasted cars.’

First, air pressure changes will cause windows to blow in or out. Questioning why window gaskets are on the outside seems elementary. If lower pressure surrounds a vehicle the windows will “pop” out. I’ve witnessed this occurrence where a tornado had passed; many windows on cars had blown out.

Second, selecting vehicles in (junk/storage) yards and questioning why door handles, engines, etc are missing seems arbitrary without knowledge of whether the vehicles were dismantled for junk, in the yard, prior to 911.

Third, questioning why paper isn’t burning around flaming vehicles seems arbitrary too. If fuel tanks burst (maybe due to pressure) and caught fire, it doesn’t seem unreasonable that, the fire might be isolated.

This is not to say other oddities do not exist at `toasted cars.’

3 years ago

Figure 65.

Map of lower Manhattan shows the WTC and FDR Drive a half mile or more apart. Aerial view of lower Manhattan.

Post Modified: 06/03/07 14:58:05

3 years ago

They could have used this as evidence of some very extensive terrorist attacks all day September 11th, while everybody was focused on the WTC 1 & 2, these cats were destroying cars on the street.

3 years ago

Judy Wood is not helping.
Her supporters attack Jones because they say thermite doesnt explain everything.
DEW or other exotic weapons do not explain the collapases starting partway down the building.
Especially if they are in orbit like she thinks they were

Judy Woods makes me scared.

And I was right about that spaz Siegel being behind the pulling of 9-11 Mysteries

Avatar, LLC
PO Box 698
Cardiff CA 92007

June 1, 2007

Google, Inc.
YouTube, LLC
[agents thereof]

Re: “911 Mysteries” – DMCA Counter Notification

On or about May 25, 2007, Google Video and YouTube removed links to the video (and to segments from the video) entitled “911 Mysteries,” produced by Avatar, LLC, as a result of a DMCA Takedown Demand filed by Richard A. Siegel, an individual associated with a work entitled “9/11 Eyewitness,” for reasons of copyright infringement.

Mr. Siegel’s claim of infringement is false. First, well before the release of “911 Mysteries,” Avatar obtained express permission from both Blue Star Media Group (co-owner of the copyright in the “Eyewitness” work) through its managing partner Jim Brewster, and from Mr. Siegel’s partner David Shaw, to incorporate limited segments of “Eyewitness” in “911 Mysteries.” Mr. Siegel’s two partners were fully cooperative with Avatar in licensing this material. Second, even if Avatar had not obtained express permission from the creators of “9/11 Eyewitness” to use their material in “911 Mysteries,” the 38 seconds of incorporated footage that Mr. Siegel has taken issue with is fully protected by the copyright Doctrine of Fair Use.

While Avatar was working with Mr. Siegel’s partners, Mr. Siegel completely delegated the handling of this matter to them, even though Avatar had included Mr. Siegel in its initial contact letter. Additionally, Mr. Siegel is indiscriminately filing takedown demands against other works on the subject of 9/11, as demonstrated by the recent removal from YouTube (also initiated by Mr. Siegel) of “September 11th Revisited” by Dustin Mugford – a video that does not even use any material from “9/11 Eyewitness.”

“911 Mysteries” is considered by millions to be an important and effective commentary on the events of September 11, 2001. Indeed, Avatar has received a flood of emails and calls from citizens concerned about the removal of the video from your highly valued websites. Even Mr. Siegel’s own business partners are deeply upset by his groundless actions, and wish to see “911 Mysteries” restored on all of its formerly active links.

Therefore, Avatar requests that both Google Video and YouTube restore all removed links for “911 Mysteries,” many of which are listed on the attached enclosure, and that at the same time you restore the settings on the counters for those links, which figures demonstrate the vast numbers of viewers who have found “911 Mysteries” to be a highly important work that provides valuable information to the general public on a subject that has affected this country more than any other in the last 60 years – the devastating events of September 11th, 2001.


(letter ends)

Even Fetzer isn’t backing Siegel on this one.
He doesn’t know which movie hes talking about, of course (sophia made 2 movies, hes talking about the wrong one), but he prolly senses the fallout from this and just wants to distance his dumb ass…


I must tell you that, after reviewing the bidding on this one, I think that Sofia is in the right and you are in the wrong. To the best of my knowledge, “9/11 Revisited” does not even include any of your footage. Isn’t there a more constructive way to resolve this conflict? Especially in light of the permission granted by your associates, I believe that your actions are damaging to the 9/11 truth movement. Please reconsider.


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3 years ago

911blogger Dustin had this to say in the comments of the thread I linked to:

Yeah, Rick had my film 9/11 Revisited (v2) pulled too. It was an error on his part. I have been in contact with Rick since I found out it was him and we are getting this matter resolved ASAP.

I got back from my Memorial Day weekend trip to find my video “9/11 Revisited (v2)” was pulled from youtube & google. I contacted Sofia when I found out that her film was pulled too in order to ask her who did it. She told me it was Rick Siegel and I told her there was no way he had mine pulled because none of his footage is even in my film.

Long story short.. Rick’s partners jumped the gun in filing the DMCA notification against my film.

I faxed google & youtube DMCA counter notifications and it will be back online within 14 days.

3 years ago

Does Judy Woods Death Star theory explain these flashes?

3 years ago

What about all these flashes and horizontal ejections?
They dont look like the work of orbital weapons platforms to me.

For those with long attention spans …

9-11 The Explosive Reality

(from the link)
It has been a lot of work getting this video uploaded. I tried Google Video and they removed it immediately, then You Tube removed all versions. However I am proud to say it is up in DivX Stage 6 format and looks amazing. You may need a DivX plug in to watch the video but this is easy to install.

I really don’t know who the individual was who put this together. I believe his screen name on You Tube was polliunsaturated and I have heard his account was deleted.
This is a MUST SEE for any person interested in 9/11.
There are newscasts included from every American network who broadcast on 9/11.
I never even knew about smoke in the subway before watching this. Many other anomalies are new to me.
The media scripting seems so much more apparent as well.

Best to watch in full screen. (hit the lttle framed box on the bottom right)

Edit: This film is amazing.
So many references to explosions. Footage of the yellow smoke that I havent seen since the live broadcast.
Guiliani saying he saw lots of airplane seats (wtf? no he didnt!)
And what were the secret service doing in the basement?
Also the secondary explosion at the Pentagon caught on film.
And the reporter being cut off for mentioning Cheney.

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3 years ago

The Center for Cooperative Research

This page can be viewed here
Context of ‘June 2, 2001: Wolfowitz Discusses Danger of Surprise Attack, Like Pearl Harbor

This is a scalable context timeline. It contains events related to the event June 2, 2001: Wolfowitz Discusses Danger of Surprise Attack, Like Pearl Harbor. You can narrow or broaden the context of this timeline by adjusting the zoom level here. The lower the scale, the more relevant the items on average will be, while the higher the scale, the less relevant the items, on average, will be.

January 20-September 10, 2001: Bush Briefed on Al-Qaeda over 40 Times National Security Adviser Rice later testifies to the 9/11 Commission that in the first eight months of Bush’s presidency before 9/11, “the president receive[s] at these [Presidential Daily Briefings] more than 40 briefing items on al-Qaeda, and 13 of those [are] in response to questions he or his top advisers posed.” [Washington Post, 4/8/2004] The content of the warnings in these briefings are unknown. However, CIA Director George Tenet claims that none of the warnings specifically indicates terrorists plan to fly hijacked commercial aircraft into buildings in the US. [New York Times, 4/4/2004] Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke will later emphasize, “Tenet on 40 occasions in… morning meetings mentioned al-Qaeda to the president. Forty times, many of them in a very alarmed way, about a pending attack.” [Vanity Fair, 11/2004] These briefings are normally given in person by CIA Director George Tenet, and are usually attended by Vice President Cheney and National Security Adviser Rice. In the Clinton administration, up to 25 officials recieved the PDB. But in the Bush adminisration before 9/11, this was sharply reduced to only six people (see After January 20, 2001). Other top officials have to make due with an Senior Executive Intelligence Brief generally released one day later, which is similar to the PDB but often contains less information (see August 7, 2001). [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 256, 533]

April 30, 2001: Wolfowitz in Deputy Secretary Meeting: Who Cares About [bin Laden]? The Bush administration finally has its first Deputy Secretary-level meeting on terrorism. [Time, 8/4/2002] According to counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke, he advocates that the Northern Alliance needs to be supported in the war against the Taliban, and the Predator drone flights need to resume over Afghanistan so bin Laden can be targeted. [Clarke, 2004, pp. 231] Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz says the focus on al-Qaeda is wrong. He states, “I just don’t understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man bin Laden,” and “Who cares about a little terrorist in Afghanistan?” Wolfowitz insists the focus should be Iraqi-sponsored terrorism instead. He claims the 1993 attack on the WTC must have been done with help from Iraq, and rejects the CIA’s assertion that there has been no Iraqi-sponsored terrorism against the US since 1993. (A spokesperson for Wolfowitz later calls Clarke’s account a “fabrication.”) [Clarke, 2004, pp. 30, 231; Newsweek, 3/22/2004] Wolfowitz repeats these sentiments immediately after 9/11 and tries to argue that the US should attack Iraq. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage agrees with Clarke that al-Qaeda is an important threat. Deputy National Security Adviser Steve Hadley, chairing the meeting, brokers a compromise between Wolfowitz and the others. The group agrees to hold additional meetings focusing on al-Qaeda first (in June and July), but then later look at other terrorism, including any Iraqi terrorism. [Clarke, 2004, pp. 30, 231-32] Vice President Cheney’s Chief of Staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and Deputy CIA Director John McLaughlin also attend the hour-long meeting. [Time, 8/4/2002]

Summer 2001: Tenet Believes Rumsfeld Is Blocking Effort to Develop Strategy to Get Bin Laden According to a 2006 book by journalist Bob Woodward, in the months before 9/11, CIA Director Tenet believes that Defense Secretary Rumsfeld is impeding the effort to develop a coherent strategy to capture or kill bin Laden. Rumsfeld questions al-Qaeda communications intercepts by the NSA and other other intelligence. [New York Times, 9/29/2006] Woodward writes in his book, “Could all this be a grand deception? Rumsfeld had asked. Perhaps it was a plan to measure US reactions and defenses. Tenet had the NSA review all the intercepts, and the agency concluded they were of genuine al-Qaeda communications.” As a result of these doubts, on June 30, 2001, a Senior Executive Intelligence Brief (SEIB) sent to top White House officials contains an article entitled, “Bin Laden Threats Are Real” (see June 30, 2001). [Woodward, 2006, pp. 50] However, apparently this does not quell the doubts. For instance, in mid-July 2001, Tenet is told that Deputy Defense Secretary and close Rumsfeld ally Paul Wolfowitz still doubts the surge of warnings and suggests that bin Laden may merely be trying to study US reactions to an attack threat (see Mid-July 2001).

June 2, 2001: Wolfowitz Discusses Danger of Surprise Attack, Like Pearl Harbor Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz gives a commencement address at the United States Military Academy graduation at West Point, New York, where he focuses on the danger of surprise attacks. To an audience of about 15,000 people, he points out that 2001 marks the 60th anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor—“a military disaster whose name has become synonymous with surprise”—and notes that, “Interestingly, that ‘surprise attack’ was preceded by an astonishing number of unheeded warnings and missed signals.” He continues, “Yet military history is full of surprises… Very few of these surprises are the product of simple blindness or simple stupidity. Almost always there have been warnings and signals that have been missed.” He says one of the reasons these warnings have so often been missed is “a routine obsession with a few familiar dangers,” which “has gotten whole governments, sometimes whole societies, into trouble.” He stresses the need to “use the benefit of hindsight to replace a poverty of expectations with an anticipation of the unfamiliar and the unlikely,” thereby overcoming “the complacency that is the greatest threat to our hopes for a peaceful future.” [US Department of Defense, 6/1/2001; US Department of Defense, 6/2/2001] Journalist James Mann will later reflect on this speech, saying that Wolfowitz “was more prescient than he could have imagined. America was about to be attacked. Once again the United States was unable to deal with the unfamiliar and the unlikely. Once again there were unheeded warnings and missed signals.” [Mann, 2004, pp. 29] In spite of his words of caution, around this time Wolfowitz himself appears to be ignoring the danger of a possible attack by al-Qaeda. In July, he will reportedly doubt whether the recent surge in al-Qaeda warnings is really of significance (see Mid-July 2001). And at a meeting on terrorism in April, he’d complained, “I just don’t understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man bin Laden” (see April 30, 2001).

June 30, 2001: White House Warned `*Bin Laden Planning High-Profile Attacks*’ A Senior Executive Intelligence Brief (SEIB) sent to top White House officials is entitled, “Bin Laden Planning High-Profile Attacks.” It states that bin Laden operatives expect near-term attacks to have dramatic consequences of catastrophic proportions. Despite evidence of delays possibly caused by heightened US security, the planning for the attacks is continuing. The briefing also contains another report entitled, “Bin Laden Threats Are Real.” SEIBs are typically based on the previous day’s President Daily Briefings (see January 20-September 10, 2001), so it is probable Bush is given this warning. Also on this day, Saudi Arabia declares its highest level of terror alert. [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 256-257, 534; US District Court of Eastern Virginia, 5/4/2006, pp. 3 pdf file

Mid-July 2001: Wolfowitz Doubts Attack Warnings Deputy National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley tells CIA Director George Tenet that Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz questions the significance of the recent surge in al-Qaeda warnings. Wolfowitz apparently suggests that bin Laden may merely be trying to study US reactions to an attack threat. Tenet replies that he has already addressed these questions and that the reporting is convincing. [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 259] Tenet is likely referring to a report delivered to the White House on June 30 entitled “Bin Laden Threats Are Real” (see June 30, 2001) that was prepared to deal with nearly identical doubts from Defense Secretary Rumsfeld (see Summer 2001). In April 2001, Wolfowitz said in a meeting that the main terrorist threat to the US was from Iraq, not bin Laden (see April 30, 2001).

3 years ago

Wolfowitz said in a meeting that the main terrorist threat to the US was from Iraq, not bin Laden (see April 30, 2001).

I am a big fan of Thompson’s website, and it is nuggets like this one that keep me coming back. April 2001, five months before 911, Wolfowitz is already talking about Iraq.

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3 years ago

Vigilant Guardian — you are spreading lies, distortion and abfuscation.

Simple fact, Sophia(911 Mysteries) altered the rick siegel footage;

1) adding audio
2) removing original audio

Fetzer is an idiot and you are an idiot.
Go to bottom, 2nd, 3rd and 4th post up gives all the information

3 years ago

Attention attention

911 Blogger is run by the criminals who committed 9/11.
911 Truth is infiltrated by the same criminals

On 9/11 the criminals faked the footage of planes hitting the towers.

its all been proved. Watch and learn

3 years ago

regardless of genghis’ stealth explanation

the footage shows very very odd things

So fucking fake… stop being fooled.

3 years ago

impossible angle, impossible shot

its all fake.

Do you like the way they included a ‘devils face’. Ahh the wonders of CGI.

Its pretty crappy.. but thats another story

Post Modified: 06/05/07 01:42:04

3 years ago

Zark, blue screen from fifty different angles? Ever heard of a red herring?

3 years ago

911 Blogger is run by the criminals who committed 9/11.
911 Truth is infiltrated by the same criminals

Get a grip.

Fetzer is an idiot

Damn straight.

and you are an idiot.

Awww…bum me out :(

Simple fact, Sophia(911 Mysteries) altered the rick siegel footage;

Yep, and she’s naughty for doing that. But from what I can gather she was dealing with mongols.
I believe she got permission from the people she thought she had to talk to.
But it looks to me like they did something they weren’t meant to in giving her the permission.

From your link:

“Sophia and her “9/11 Mysteries” crew are out to profit by propagatiing lies and deliberate disinformation, in order to help prop up key elements of the government propaganda plotline.”

Yeah, they were in it for the money. Except it was online for free.
And then we get this gem from Rick…

“Since the release of the best parts of 911 Eyewitness in her DVD there has been no more sales of the real version unedited and undistorted of 911 Eyewitness. Taking the cherries screws the tree. Loose change did not need to steal after being told no.”

All he cares about are his sales…Jesus man, its RIGHT THERE!
And what of his stealing claims…

“ (4.10.06) I can send you a video file in the near
future so you can have a look for final approval. – Sophia”

Did Mr Shaw think it was weird getting this email when he supposedly didn’t give permission and didn’t actually know WTF she was talking about?
Somethings wrong here, and I think it’s that Shaw is lying.


Our US representative Jim Brewster can’t seem to
remember giving you permission, but since you keep
reminding him that he did, he now assumes that he must

Our daily communications with Jim reveal no record of
your sample video files being received or confirmation
of his viewing them. Since no notification was sent
to us by you or Jim, we can only conclude that their
existence is unconfirmed.

LOL, she’s bullying him so much he’s just going to cave in and not actually deny it? C’mon….he “assumes that he must have?”
I assume he must have too, considering that email from sophia talking about sending him the video when she was done.
They are such wimps about it. Seriously….“we can only conclude that their existence is unconfirmed”?
Call her a liar if she’s lying! Whats wrong with these guys?


“Mr. Siegel’s claim of infringement is false. First, well before the release of “911 Mysteries,” Avatar obtained express permission from both Blue Star Media Group (co-owner of the copyright in the “Eyewitness” work) through its managing partner Jim Brewster, and from Mr. Siegel’s partner David Shaw, to incorporate limited segments of “Eyewitness” in “911 Mysteries.” “

This bold face lies.
Blue Star Media Group has no license to do this and has told me they never gave any permissions.
Dave Shaw is an alias and attached to a person who has no rights to do this. snip

Alias? why? Who fucking cares?
“Blue Star Media Group has no license to do this and has told me they never gave any permissions”.
Rick, they’re lying.

I’m not entirely unsymapathetic to Ricks position. I just think it should have been handled a lot better than this. A lot better.

Post Modified: 06/05/07 02:58:40

3 years ago

Ever heard of a red herring?

ChickenMa1, you are spreading lies, distortion and abfuscation.

Post Modified: 06/05/07 03:15:26

3 years ago

On 9/11 the criminals faked the footage of planes hitting the towers.

Please tell me you’re joking Zark. You don’t actually entertain the idea of the blue screen do you?

To me, one of the biggest dangers to the Truth Movement are theories such as the blue screen. Government backed terrorism to bring down the towers is one thing, but believing this could have been done via the aid of CGI is taking things to a whole new level, and won’t win the backing of the majority.

3 years ago



Truth! Facts! Honesty!

Danger danger

Post Modified: 06/06/07 01:22:29

3 years ago

You are all going down.



Site is over run by agents and run by agents.
Hows the government contracts coming along?

3 years ago

Respond to my post, penis.

Why was Shaw waiting for Sofias video if he never gave her permission to use the footage?

3 years ago

(zark will hate this, watch…)

source: Steven Jones blog at

A collaboration of group 9/11 family members and researchers challenging the official reports of the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11/01 has filed a Request for Correction (RFC) with the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). This RFC is published in the June, 2007, volume of the Journal of 9/11 Studies:
PDF link...

The Request asserts that the NIST Final Report violates information quality standards, draws a conclusion that is inconsistent with its own computer simulations and physical tests and available evidence contrary to it. The Request also says that if this bias is corrected, the NIST simulation clearly indicates that the Towers should not have completely collapsed with such rapidity due to plane damage and fire. The obvious alternative, which the group says should be seriously studied by NIST, is explosive demolition.

The group submitting the Request includes 9/11 family members Bob McIlvaine and Bill Doyle, architect Richard Gage, AIA, physicist Steven E. Jones, former UL manager, Kevin Ryan, and the group Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice.

California architect and member of the Requester group Richard Gage emphasizes that the buildings were designed to withstand 150mph lateral wind loads and even airplane impacts, and notes that vast majority of both towers were not damaged by fire or impact.

The assertion that the conclusion of the NIST report is incorrect is important, the Request says, because that “would mean that the assumption that foreign terrorists alone carried out the destruction would become a matter of dispute.”

James Gourley, the attorney working with the Request group, says the public has a right to see all the data and ensure their validity. “We think that the American people deserve the chance to be allowed to analyze the computer models and the calculations that they have paid for. We also think Bob McIlvaine and Bill Doyle, each of whom lost a son in the WTC Towers, deserve a scientifically sound answer from NIST about how their sons were killed.”

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3 years ago

Stick to the facts, no need to speculate. The collapses tell the story, the scrubbing of the crime scene, the taking-away of the evidence were to be expected. Anybody who believes the government version of what happened on 9/11 either does not know or does not want to know.

Here is the question? What is the most powerful entity in the United States today? Is it the military, the industrial complex, the Executive Branch, one of the intelligence agencies?

Who got the military involved in 9/11? Was it the Bush administration that planned 9/11?

Is it a coincidence that Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, and Tom Brokaw are off the air, three trusted individuals, by trust I mean, we would expect them to tell us the truth, and to fight for justice the American way, but they don’t want us to have heros anymore. They would like to end that chapter in our history. They don’t want us to be America anymore.

Post Modified: 06/06/07 11:54:54

3 years ago

You don’t have to wait very long for a good example to come along, which illustrates the point,

Reporter Arrested For Asking Questions About Rudy Giuliani’s WTC Collapse


Reporters were questioning Giuliani staff members on a variety of issues, including his apparent ignorance of the 9/11 Commission Report, according to Bermas. The staff members accused the reporters of Ron Paul partisanship, which press denied. It was at this point that Lepacek, who was streaming a live report, asked a staff member about Giuliani’s statement to Peter Jennings that he was told beforehand that the WTC buildings would collapse.

Giuliani’s press secretary then called over New Hampshire state police, fingering Lepacek.

Though CNN staff members tried to persuade police not to arrest the accredited reporter— in violation of the First Amendment, Lepacek was taken to jail. The police station told that Lepacek is being charged with felony criminal trespass.

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3 years ago

Kevin Ryan on KPFK – June 4, 2007

Found that NIST had performed a number of physical tests, but they seemed to be ignoring the results of the tests.

NIST submitted a draft report in 2004, which seemed to be ignoring the results of the tests performed by NIST.

NIST would report results in the summary of report which were in direct contradiction to the results in their physical tests. When he saw that, Ryan said, and got in touch with NIST about it, he got him fired

Journal of 911 Studies

Stephen Jones asked Ryan to get involved with the Journal of 911 Studies. They have written over thirty-five papers. The members come from many different backgrounds. They are concerned about the issues.
Many papers are related to the WTC, which is the focus of Ryan’s research and Jones’ research.

Jones has been examining dust samples, and Ryan has a lot to tell you about that (if you are interested).

Post Modified: 06/07/07 12:22:27

3 years ago

9/11 Truth Squads Bring Reality of Inside Job to Primary Campaigns


Giuliani was confronted in the Bronx on May 31 by Sabrina Rivera, a truth activist whose boyfriend’s father was a fireman who died on 9/11. She asked Giuliani why he and his staff had received a special warning that the twin towers of the World Trade Center were going to collapse, when the people in the buildings never got that warning. Giuliani’s response contradicted everything he has ever said about 9/11 – he denied that he had ever received a warning that the twin towers were going to come down. We never though the towers would implode, stammered Giuliani. But that is not what Giulaini had told Peter Jennings of ABC news on the afternoon of 9/11. At that time the Mayor said: “I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barclay Street, which was right there, with the police commissioner, the fire commissioner, the head of emergency management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for ten, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.” [ABC News, 9/11/2001

Post Modified: 06/07/07 20:32:33

3 years ago

What a load of crap.

Fucking idiots the lot of you. Stop your inane posts.

The jig is up. The game is over.
Your ‘plane hugging truthie’ nonsense is getting brushed aside.

Pretty soon you will be publically marginalised and outed.


Post Modified: 06/08/07 01:21:46

3 years ago

Zark, what has happened to you? You seem to have lost the plot a bit recently. To think, I have you on my friends list!

3 years ago

i just watched Chaser’s – War on Everything, ABC Australia.

there was a section, interviewing US people on the streets.

from the sample provided, it would seem that people think the 9/11 attacks happened around August 12th, 2004, in Pennsylvania and killed maybe over 30,000 people. ‘Oh, was there more then one city attacked’, was one response, ‘i might have missed that’, he speculated.

apparently, 30% of people don’t recall what year it happened.

i can kinda see what’s happened to zark, it must be in the water over there :)

3 years ago

Notes from interview with Kevin Ryan

How did Kevin Ryan get involved in 911?

Questioned the events of 911 after learning the government lied in the run up to the Iraq War.
UL was involved in performing fire resistance tests for WTC.
Over time learned that the steel had been recycled
despite the cries of experts and family members.
Received additional information did in fact test steel components of WTC.

NIST performed a number of physical tests
it seemed to be ignoring the results.
Report results in the summary portion that directly contradicted their tests.
Poking into that got Ryan fired from UL.

Journal of 911 Studies
how did it get started?
Started by Stephen Jones physicist.
Editorial board of structural engineers and scientists.

Scholars for 911 Truth and Justice
Hundreds of scientists. Now there is a new group Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth .

Over thirty-five papers submitted to the Journal
investigating various parts of the official story.
Also related to testimony of Norman Minetta
and people on the ground, who made statements.
PHDs in physics need reviews by PHDS in Science.
Want to make sure whatever publishing has gone through basic review. They are fairly tough on the writers.

Couple of examples

Analysis of dust samples people, who lived near ground zero, one lady, her apartment very close to WTC, sent dust to Jones.

Jones put a magnet to it and pulled out metallic spheres,
micro-spheres, elements of composition. Iron rich aluminum, sulphur, and other elements tested against other samples. Metallic fragments that come from thermate reaction. In support of research of Jones, found sulphur in the steel columns. This lends credence to the demolition hypothesis.

Thermate is a version of thermite. Thermite aluminum and iron oxide plus a flare mixture allows reaction to proceed evenly and efficiently. The presence of sulphur in iron rich fragments indicates thermate reaction.

NIST never mentioned the sulphur in the steel. In the FEMA report, you find the first mention of sulfidation and they could not explain it.

The collapse time and free fall time. Remarkably short collapse time. NIST is ignoring a lot of data and that is not good science.

Poised to collapse theory
Collapse initiation. They don’t describe the dynamics of the collapse of the buildings at all. They have not explained Building 7 at all.

So what evidence did they ignore?

(1) Molten metal in the rubble of all three buildings.
(2) Liquid pouring from the south tower before it collapsed.
(3) Sulfidation inter-granular melting in the steel.
(4) Antenna in the North Tower shown to drop first indicating the core failed first, which is not consistant with their story.
(5) High velocity bursts the debris ejected from point like sources not addressed.
(6) Violation of law of conservation of resistance.
(7) Nearly free-fall speeds of ten seconds.
(8) Over a hundred testimonies taken about explosives and flashes of light.
(9) Foreknowledge of collapse of these buildings.

NIST had performed tests
230 samples of steel were saved.
Tested for temperatures very low only 250 degrees Celcius.

UL id Model floor testing years and years ago, they tested models of floor assemblies placed in furnaces for two hours at 2000 degrees farenheit. The result was that the steel only sagged about three inches. Result was ignored, but computer models NIST expanded to 42 inches.

NIST came up with a story about wide dislodgment of the fireproofing. Fifteen rounds from shotgun to blow the fireproofing off. Showed needed a lot to blow it off. Three inches after two hours, but they are not releasing the computer models.

There are thousands of photos and videos collected from the public which they are not releasing. They never examined the demolition prospect. They fabricated false
stories to support the collapse theory. Ryan said, “So we have these scientists who appear to be lying to us”.

Page 13 of Jones study amazing visualization
Journal of 911 Studies
Material below falling mass had been removed by explosives and by incendiary reactions like the thermate

Request for Correction
submitted by Ryan, McIlvaine, etc., formal way to challenge report
Government agencies are supposed to provide information that is useful and legitimate (based on a law)
Bill Doyle and Bob McIlvaine deserve to have a scientific explanation
The only option left is demolition and to not look at it is irrresponsible

Building 7
Most people can see that it is a controlled demolition
Directly into its footprints, in 6.6 seconds exploded inward on itself
The penthouse kinks in the middle before it falls
The squibs rising up the building as the building falls
Eyewitness testimony of explosions and people told to get away from the area
81 steel columns in a 47-story building that fell
Government scientists spent six years
the last explanation FEMA 2002
Primarily due to fire not due to any damage from the towers
In addition they said that the only thing they could think of had a low probability
Some photographic evidence of slight amount of damage in SW corner of the building in addition to very minor fires in the building
Collapse initiated on the east side of the building

The very low probability scenario
This damage had ruptured a fuel oil pipe traveled across the fifth floor to a closed mechanical room underneath truss 2 on the west side of the building
Two or three trusses two and three were on the east side over an electrical power plant
Migrated all the way across got into the room and pooled there was heated up and burned for seven hours despite the fact that there was a containment system to shut off fuel pumps and that firefighters decided not to fight the fires and decided not to cut the power
All this adds up to a low probability story
Total uniform collapse in 6.6 seconds

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3 years ago

What about Building 7?

Most people can see that it is a controlled demolition, Ryan said. It came down directly into its footprint, in 6.6 seconds and exploded inward on itself. The penthouse kinks in the middle before it falls. The squibs rise up the building as the building falls. There is eyewitness testimony of explosions and people told to get away from the area. 81 steel columns in a 47-story building that fell.

The government scientists spent six years, the last explanation, FEMA 2002. Primarily due to fire not due to any damage from the towers. In addition they said that the only thing they could think of had a low probability. There is some photographic evidence of a slight amount of damage in SW corner of the building in addition to very minor fires in the building. The collapse initiated on the east side of the building.

The very low probability scenario

This damage had ruptured a fuel oil pipe and traveled across the 5th floor to a closed mechanical room underneath truss 2 on the west side of the building.Two or three trusses two and three were on the east side over an electrical power plant. Migrated all the way across got into the room and pooled there, and it heated up and burned for seven hours, despite the fact that there was a containment system to shut off fuel pumps, and that firefighters decided not to fight the fires and decided not to cut the power. All this adds up to a low probability story, Ryan said. The collapse was totally uniform and it took 6.6 seconds.

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3 years ago

Breathing in the Buildings

Close your eyes and imagine that Tony Snow has joined the 911 Truth Movement.

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Bob Bowman

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I was talking to a couple of people who lost their son in the WTC attacks, and I told them that some of the so-called hijackers had received flight training at US military bases. No, I can’t believe that, said one of the 911 victims.

David Ray Griffin talks about the hijackers in Chapter 8, of his book, The New Pearl Harbor.

FBI Flight from Flight School Investigations


Further lack of curiosity about the background to the attacks was shown by the FBI in relation to a story, which broke four days after 9/11, that many of the alleged hijackers had received flight training at US military installations. These installations included the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio, Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama, and the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California.&~~SPECIAL_REMOVE!#~~gt;62 The Pensacola station was even listed on the drivers licenses of three of the men as their permanent address.&~~SPECIAL_REMOVE!#~~gt;63 When asked about this report, a spokesperson for the US Air Force said that while the names were similar, “we are probably not talking about the same people.”&~~SPECIAL_REMOVE!#~~gt;64

TV producer, book author, and investigative journalist Daniel Hopsicker reports that when he asked a major in the Air Force’s Public Affairs Office about this story, she said: “Biographically, they’re not the same people. Some of the ages are 20 years off.” But when Hopsicker, replying that he was interested only in Mohamed Atta, asked if she was “saying that the age of the Mohamed Atta who attended the Air Forces International Officer’s School at Maxwell Air Force Base was different from the terrorist Atta’s age as reported,” she replied: “Urn, er, no.” Then when Hopsicker said that he would like information about the Mohamed Atta who had attended the school at Maxwell, so that he could contact him, the major reportedly said that she did not think he was going to get that information. On September 16, news reports said that, with regard to Atta and two other men who had reportedly attended US military schools: “Officials would not release ages, country of origin or any other specific details of the three individuals.”&~~SPECIAL_REMOVE!#~~gt;65

Even US senators evidently got stonewalled. When Florida’s Senator Bill Nelson learned that three of the hijackers had been trained at Pensacola Naval Station, he sent a letter to Attorney General Ashcroft asking if this was true. Hopsicker reports that when a spokesman for Senator Nelson was asked about this, he said: “we never got a definitive answer from the Justice Department. So we asked the FBI for an answer… Their response to date has been that they are trying to sort through something complicated and difficult.”

Nevertheless, on October 10, with this “complicated and difficult” problem unsolved and dozens of other facts seeming to scream out for an extensive and intensive investigation, FBI Director Mueller, calling the FBI’s month-long investigation of 9/11 “the most exhaustive in its history,” declared it over. Officials reportedly said that Mueller’s attitude was that his agents now had “a broad understanding of the events of September 11” and that it “was now time to move on.”&~~SPECIAL_REMOVE!#~~gt;66 Mueller, according to the Washington Post, “described reports that several of the hijackers had received flight training in the United States as news, quite obviously.’” But he had the agents who were investigating this news reassigned.&~~SPECIAL_REMOVE!#~~gt;67 “The investigative staff has to be made to understand,” one law enforcement official was quoted as saying, “that we’re not trying to solve a crime now.”&~~SPECIAL_REMOVE!#~~gt;68

To critics of the official account, a cover-up is suggested not only by the FBI’s refusal to investigate this story but also by evidence that it had earlier tried to conceal the training received by some of the hijackers at two flight schools in Venice, Florida. Hopsicker, reporting that many of the men had trained at these two schools, also reports that just 18 hours after the 9/11 attacks—at 2 AM—FBI agents came to both schools and removed student files.&~~SPECIAL_REMOVE!#~~gt;69 This story, like the one about the FBI confiscating the film from the gas station across from the Pentagon immediately after the crash there, lends additional support to the charge that the FBI had rather specific advance knowledge.

3 years ago

Dear fellow 911 Press For Truth Patrons


Congressman Dennis Kucinich has just announced that he will begin holding new hearings into 9/11 beginning in September because “the Commission Final Report… never resolved certain conflicts.”

3 years ago

Notes on Press for Truth

Introduced to the widows, the Jersey Girls.
Almost 3,000 people killed from more than 80 different countries, and they had a list of questions, including why did the military fail to defend? Two hours almost planes flying around with no response.

They were looking for information, but very little was coming from the media, so they catalogued questions. The week after the attack, we heard that the hijackers had a large number of accomplices. The families waited for the trials to begin. Only six of the original detainees were still in custody, and none were charged with 911 crimes. By November, it became clear that an independent investigation was necessary, if for no other reason than there could be another attack. So they went to Washington and personally visited Congress-people. Two of the Jersey Girls voted for Bush, who turned into one of their biggest adversaries.

They could not have access to the 911 emergency tapes and recordings plus 500 interviews done with the fire department right after the attacks.

WTC 7 not hit by a plane collapsed in the afternoon. There was no explanation. This was the largest loss of life since the Civil War, and not one elected official wanted to know how or why it happened?

Rallied at the capital to ask for an investigation and asked Americans to stand behind them and to call their congress-person and tell them they want to be safe.

Had to actively seek support from the media. Made it to television around the hearings with Chris Matthews and others. The White House finally agreed to a deal. They named Henry Kissinger as chairman. Several family members asked for a meeting, because they said Kissinger had too many conflicts of interest. They wanted Kissinger to tell about his Saudi clients. Kissinger stepped down and was replaced by Tom Kean and Hamilton, all the commissioners were former DC insiders and lawyers.

Families provided the commission with hundreds of questions, and in March 2003, hearings finally started, 441 days after the attacks.

Wanted people under oath, at the beginning they were not, they were given softball questions instead of the ones the victims wrote, and they were throwing accolades at each other. It was a coverup, a whitewash.

Executive Director, Zelikow, had the power to say where the investigation was going and who would be interviewed. He was tightly connected to the Bush administration. The families wanted him to resign, but he refused, and Chairman Kean dismissed the notion.

They only got a small amount of the documents. There were boxes and boxes, but the pertinent documents were left out. The President said only a minority of the commission could look at a minority of the documents, and even those had to be cleared with the White House.

Condi testilied, and president and vice president appeared together and not under oath. “They had a lot of good questions”, said Bush, and “I’m glad I did it”. Bush would not say what they talked about, and there was no transcript of the interview.

July 2004, Kean proudly proclaimed a great effort and great report. The families waited and were hopeful, but when the report came out, it did not cut the mustard. The percentage of questions answered was around 30%. They wrote a report based on half-truths.

On 911, the media started out by doing its job, but it got waylaid and only told the administration’s story. One of the Jersey Girls said they were looking for another Woodward and Berstein.

Then the families discovered a website, The 911 Timeline of Paul Thomspson. His complete timeline stitches information from over 7000 mainstream news stories. They take it more seriously than The 911 Commission Report, because there are no secrets. As Thompson said, there is a lot of explosive information out there. You might find one important piece on a news show, another in a newspaper, and if you put these obscure stories together, you come out with a completely different narrative. The story is quite different, if you put the stories together.

To be continued …....

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3 years ago

Crushing defeat of Al Queda forces at Tora Bora
Still can’t find OBL
Clear military victory in Afganistan
Paul Thompson said we didn’t capture or kill one major AQ figure, no Taliban

Thompson took similar look at what happened in Afganistan
One or two on the fringe captured said Seymour Hersh
Piece together news accounts, Thompson said
Late night convoy from Kabul at least a thousand cars and trucks
By the tenth OBL joined the convoy in Jalalabad
On Nov 14 Northern Alliance captured Jalalabad
The base for an exodus to Pakistan
1000 figheters and convoy of several hundred vehicles escaped with OBL
Nobody attacked the convoy

1600 AQ fighters surrounded in biggest battle at Tora Bora cave complexes
Two main escape routes US bombed only one (Newsweek)
Using the other route 100s of Taliban and AA including senior leaders escaped
OBL walked into Pakistan with a number of loyal supporters

August 2005 missing piece of puzzle
CIA Gary Bertsten tracked OBL to Tora Bora
Got his book published, retired two years early
Definitive intelligence about OBL, location within Tora Bora
Had him cornered but let him escape
Toward the end of the war all eyes on Tora Bora
thousands of AQ and Taliban escaped from Konduz
Once again the door was left open for escape

Perhaps 8,000 Seymour Hersh the premier fighters
One night around Thanksgiving
Pakistani relief planes evacuation with the blessing of Musharraf and US
Airlift of big proportions
Konduz to Pakistan no problem
Deal in place government of Pakistan and US
Thompson looked deeper into Pakistan
CBS in depth investigation Bin Laden in military hospital military had him surrounded
The night before 911 in Pakistan? Military hospital for kidney dialysis treatment
Had to be watched carefully and looked after

Thomspson covert operations 1979
Just about one hour into the movie
The rest is about creating OBL and Al Queda
Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, U.S.
Thompson said no difference between an ISI training camp and AQ training camp
One part of the story
Who else was involved with AQ?
Was AQ used by the US government?
Complete Timeline published

Terrorists only have to be lucky once Van Auken said
but it seems they got lucky over and over again

News reporting has changed since 911
Use of caution in how we cover a story
The footage of Bush’s lack of response
Farenheit 911 controversy and attacks on Moore himself
Someone from the corporation making editorial decisions
Dan Rather talked about the fear of being labeled

3 years ago

Author Webster Griffin Tarpley addresses the 9/11 Accountability: Strategies and Solutions Conference, in Chandler, Arizona, Feb., 2007.

Webster Tarpley explains the significance of the 911 attacks. A proponent of the MIHOP theory, Tarpley has no illusions about what 911 means. It was a coup d’etat, and we are watching the results of the coup now, we are on the road to World War Three, he says.

Tarpley says we must dismantle the secret government that is running the United States, before it is too late, in order to avoid World War Three.

This video is posted with the permission of

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Clearly the work of the jews/nwo/international bankers who got a hold of a macintosh computer and went nuts with their propaganda program. They won’t beat us this easily, my friends.

3 years ago

U.S. researchers have created what they say is the first scientifically accurate 3-D simulation of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center in New York

I wonder if it is accurate enough that it includes the explosions in the lower basement levels?

If not then I’d question the very usage of the term ‘accurate’ in conjunction with this vid.

3 years ago

The depiction also shows the way in which the fuel became a fiery flash flood, knocking out structural support columns and stripping away fireproof insulation.

The first thing that comes to mind is Building 7.

Second, I will be very interested to hear Frank Ryan’s response to the Purdue study, because I don’t see any discussion of the problems that Ryan listed above.

(1) Molten metal in the rubble of all three buildings.
(2) Liquid pouring from the south tower before it collapsed.
(3) Sulfidation inter-granular melting in the steel.
(4) High velocity bursts the debris ejected from point like sources.
(5) Violation of law of conservation of resistance.
(6) Nearly free-fall speeds of ten seconds.
(7) Over a hundred testimonies taken about explosives and flashes of light.
(8) Foreknowledge of collapse of these buildings.

Post Modified: 06/17/07 11:02:25

3 years ago

don’t hold your breath

3 years ago

Flight 77: The Flight Data Recorder Investigation Files

An Englishman using the FOIA to deconstruct the Pentagon attack.

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3 years ago

WTC7 Security Official Details Explosions Inside Building

“We subsequently went to the stairwell and were going down the stairs, when we reached the sixth floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way, there was an explosion and the landing gave way. I was left there hanging, I had to climb back up and now had to walk back up to the eighth floor. After getting to the eighth floor everything was dark.”

Post Modified: 06/19/07 23:42:43

3 years ago

Alex Jones said just a few minutes ago that this person referred to above is a well-known public official, who was seen on television several times on 911.

He has asked that his name not be released until the film comes out. He was inside the OEM, after he was summoned there. He was there with another city official looking for Giuliani and he found him there.

The elevator was shut down, and when he entered the stairwell, he heard huge explosions. When he went into the lobby, there were bodies strewn all over the place. The official story said nobody died in the building. And this all happened before the second tower was hit.

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3 years ago


I heard explosives and the explanation I got was that it was a fuel tank.

The lobby was completely destroyed, and they had to get me out through a makeshift hole.

Both buildings were still standing.


He was asked to go and man the OEM on 25th floor in Building 7, and when he got there, the police in the lobby showed him the way to elevator.

When he got up to the 23rd floor, he could not get in. The police took them to the freight elevators, they took us back up and we did get in, the unidentified man said. When we got there (OEM), I noticed everybody was gone, but there was coffee with the steam still rising and half-eaten sandwiches.

He called several individuals, and one person told him to leave and leave right away. His friend found the stairwell, and when they reached the 6th floor, the landing that they were standing on, gave way. He was left there hanging, and he had to get back up and walked up to the 8th floor and everything was gone.

The big news is that it confirms what Giuliani said, that he was told to get out of the building. He told Peter Jennings that he was told to get out of Building 7, because the other buildings were going to collapse.

Another high level emergency manager was told to get out of the building.

from the second clip,

I know what I heard I heard explosions, when he got to the lobby it was completely destroyed, I did not know where I was, it looked like King Kong came through and completely destroyed the lobby.

third clip,

I looked one way and the other, both buildings were still standing.

Post Modified: 06/20/07 22:12:14

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The Purdue simulation was next to useless to explain anything – someone made a bundle producing it though. (Reminded me of the drawings colin powell used as proof against Iraq at the U.N.)

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3 years ago

New 9/11 Study Has Direct Links To Government, Pentagon Black Ops

A newly released Purdue University animation showing how fire caused the collapse of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11 claims to be independent but in reality has been federally funded and was conducted by individuals with direct links to the Pentagon and the White House.

Post Modified: 06/22/07 19:16:15

3 years ago

Purdue Simulation, Full of Hot Air

A recently released Purdue University animated computer simulation “shows that it was the weight of the fuel combined with the fire, and not the aircraft itself, that caused the most damage to the buildings.”
Specific flaws in this two-year project are being brought to light now. “Researchers have stated that the Purdue simulation contradicts the observed facts in other ways, and in the next couple of weeks, they will publish their findings.” ( will publish these findings as they become available.)

Perhaps most disturbing to readers considering whether this simulation is trustworthy is the source of funding for the study, and the fact that Purdue is part of The Regional Visualization and Analytics Centers (RVACs), a Department of Homeland Security “Center of Excellence.” Furthermore, Josh Reeves and Mike Swenson, in a story at point out “the National Science Foundation (NSF), the agency that [partially] funded the Purdue study, is an agency whose board was appointed by George W. Bush and confirmed by the United States Senate.” Its director, “Dr. Arden L. Bement Jr., worked for employers such as General Electric Company, Battelle Northwest Laboratories, and DARPA (the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency), the agency responsible for the development of new technology for use by the military.” They conclude, “This Purdue simulation conclusively shows that the government agencies charged with finding an explanation for the collapses of the twin towers are continually unable to do so without contradicting themselves, while attempting to create a wild ‘fairy tale’ out of physical impossibilities. Further, research conducted into these claims made by these government agencies consistently reveals shadowy figures and corporations who have participated, while remaining complicit, in the official explanation of the tragic events of September 11th, 2001.”

Post Modified: 06/23/07 15:13:41

3 years ago

Ellen Mariani Back in Court to Find Out Whether Judge Will Hear Her 9-11 Case


The September 11th Victim Compensation Fund of 2001 (VCF) was the last part of the three-part Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act of 2001 issued at President Bush’s order. It was issued only 12 days after the tragedy and most probably not closely read by most members of Congress who passed it. The commercial airlines received a $15 billion subsidy to keep them from going under.

If victims or survivors decided not to take the money, the law said they could file a lawsuit for damages. The man to evaluate all appeals was the fund’s special master, Kenneth R. Feinberg. He was appointed by then Attorney General John Ashcroft on Nov. 26, 2001. In his final report of fund activities, Feinberg said with no due modesty, “In my view, the fund was an unqualified success: 97 percent of the families of deceased victims who might otherwise have pursued lawsuits for years have received compensation. . . . In total, the fund distributed over $7.049 billion to survivors of 2,880 persons killed in the September 11 attacks and to 2,680 individuals who were injured in the attacks or in the rescue efforts conducted thereafter. The average award for families of victims killed in the attacks exceeded $2 million. The average award for injured victims was nearly $400,000. . . .” Bottom line: the airlines received over twice as much as 9-11 victims and their families.

Post Modified: 07/01/07 23:45:17

3 years ago

Whatever 911 was, it was not something done by nineteen Arabs following the directions of a man with a beard in a cave in Afganistan.

America has a regular history and a deep history, which every now and then surfaces in a Watergate, Contragate, Irangate, and now 911,

these I like to call deep events.

There is far more going on, and it is going to take a long time to get to the truth.

Peter Dale Scott

Post Modified: 07/03/07 23:36:32

3 years ago

Bush I Bioweapons Advisor Says Anthrax Attacks Could Have Originated within US Government


Is it possible that the anthrax attacks were launched from within our own government? A former Bush 1 advisor thinks it is.

Francis A. Boyle, an international law expert who worked under the first Bush Administration as a bioweapons advisor in the 1980s, has said that he is convinced the October 2001 anthrax attacks that killed five people were perpetrated and covered up by criminal elements of the U.S. government. The motive: to foment a police state by killing off and intimidating opposition to post-9/11 legislation such as the USA PATRIOT Act and the later Military Commissions Act.

Post Modified: 07/04/07 09:35:05

3 years ago

I was just talking to someone last night about the media and how it manipulates events to hide the truth. For example, CNN is running a show about Larry King and the many years he has been on the air. They were covering the events of the last year, and I was watching, when they were talking about Rosie and Trump and all that stuff that happened on The View.

The thing that struck me was, that they never mentioned anything about September 11th. The real reason that Rosie is not on The View anymore has to do with 911, she would not stop talking about it, particularly Building 7, which she said was not hit by an airplane and did not have significant fires. Then one day, they decided to bring an expert or two on the show to talk about the physics of 911. Rosie contacted a couple of well-known people from the 911 Truth movement, I believe, David Ray Griffin and Professor Stephen Jones. There was even a show scheduled. Interestingly, even if they would have gone forward with the show, nobody would have seen it, because President Bush talked to the nation on television for the whole hour that the show would have been on.

Anyway, here is an example of how facts get covered up. It is very easy to keep the truth from the people.

President Bush at the Florida School: New Conflicting Testimonies

3 years ago


A little more than a month ago you posted the first of several articles pertaining to Giuliani’s statement of receiving foreknowledge of the subsequent collapse of the WTC towers. His blatant denial or recantation is of interest. Dated about the same time (May 30th) is this short video that I did try to hyperlink, but the program keeps adding back-slashes. You’ll have to copy & paste the url &~~SPECIAL_REMOVE!#~~gt;

Something’s not right; you know what I’m saying? Here’s these guys video-taping the fires and somewhere between perhaps, hundreds to maybe thousands of citizens are hurrying away from the WTC complex before the south tower collapse. These guys were like, “what’s going on?” At the every end they’re told, “it’s gonna fall” and “it’s gonna explode.” This is just my opinion, but the truth we have in government officials is their privilege to blatantly discredit themselves.

Rather, Giuliani could’ve said: “look, it was extremely hectic that day, I have no idea who told me any number of things I can recall, but I’m pretty sure it was somebody I didn’t know. But ah, why in god’s name are you harassing me when there were hundreds, if not thousands of others who knew the same thing?”

We wouldn’t want to assume that the date of this video means that Giuliani or anyone on his staff wasn’t aware that a substantial number of citizens on the ground were forewarned. I find it very intriguing yet difficult to discern.

Here’s recent policy related propaganda …”A secret military operation in early 2005 to capture senior members of Al Qaeda in Pakistan’s tribal areas was aborted at the last minute after top Bush administration officials decided it was too risky and could jeopardize relations with Pakistan … Rumsfeld decided that the operation, which had ballooned from a small number of military personnel and C.I.A. operatives to several hundred, was cumbersome and put too many American lives at risk … The decision to halt the planned “snatch and grab” operation frustrated some top intelligence officials and members of the military’s secret Special Operations units, who say the United States missed a significant opportunity to try to capture senior members of Al Qaeda. …

The officials … said that the United States had communications intercepts that tipped them off to the meeting, and that intelligence officials had unusually high confidence that Mr. Zawahri was there.Months later, in early May 2005, the C.I.A. launched a missile from a remotely piloted Predator drone, killing Haitham al-Yemeni, a senior Qaeda figure whom the C.I.A. had tracked since the meeting. It has long been known that C.I.A. operatives conduct counter-terrorism missions in Pakistan’s tribal areas. “The reluctance to take risk or jeopardize our political relationship with Musharraf may well account for the fact that five and half years after 9/11 we are still trying to run bin Laden and Zawahri to ground,” said Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at Georgetown University. Those political considerations have created resentment among some members of the military’s Special Operations forces. …

“There is a degree of frustration that is off the charts, because they are looking at targets on a daily basis and can’t move against them,” he [a former Bush administration official with close ties to those troops] said.”

Then just the other day there’s this: “U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded that al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before Sept. 11, 2001. … Counter-terrorism analysts produced the document, titled “Al-Qaida Better Positioned to Strike the West.” The document pays special heed to the terror group’s safe haven in Pakistan and makes a range of observations about the threat posed to the United States and its allies, officials said. …

John Kringen, who heads the CIA’s analysis directorate, echoed the concerns about al-Qaida’s resurgence … “They seem to be fairly well settled into the safe haven and the ungoverned spaces of Pakistan,” Kringen testified. “We see more training. We see more money. We see more communications. We see that activity rising. … Sooner or later you have to quit permitting them to have a safe haven” along the Afghan-Pakistani border, he testified.

Several European countries – among them Britain, Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands – are also highlighted in the threat assessment, partly because they have arrangements with the Pakistani government that allow their citizens easier access to Pakistan than others, according to the counterterrorism official. This is more troubling because all four are part of the U.S. visa waiver program, and their citizens can enter the United States without additional security scrutiny, the official said.

… the Pakistani government signed a peace agreement with tribal leaders that effectively removed the government military presence from the northwest frontier with Afghanistan. The agreement allows Taliban and al-Qaida operatives to move across the border with impunity and establish and run training centers, the report says, according to the official.”

There’s literally a mountain of evidence proving that al-qaeda operates in a state-endorsed vacuum. Western Intel is all over qaeda’s mobilization, their financial apparatus and their communiqué. We have operatives all around them; yet, maintaining this delicate relationship with Musharraf, who doesn’t want to upset tribal thugs, supercede all other objectives. …lmao… It makes no sense, none whatsoever!

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3 years ago

Bin Laden says he wasn’t behind attacks – September 17, 2001

DOHA, Qatar (CNN) — Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week’s terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, “The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

“I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons,” bin Laden’s statement said.

“I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations,” bin Laden said.

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden’s denial, President Bush said, “No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that.”

Since Tuesday’s terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples.

Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born exile, has lived in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials blame him for earlier strikes on U.S. targets, including last year’s attack on the USS Cole in Yemen and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998.

Bin Laden’s campaign stems from the 1990 decision by Saudi Arabia to allow U.S. troops into the kingdom after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait — a military presence that has become permanent.

In a 1997 CNN interview, bin Laden called the U.S. military presence an “occupation of the land of the holy places.”

Immediately after the attacks that demolished the World Trade Center’s landmark twin towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, officials of Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban said they doubted bin Laden could have been involved in carrying out the actions.

The Taliban — the fundamentalist Islamic militia that seized power in Afghanistan in 1996 — denied his ties to terrorism and said they have taken away all his means of communication with the outside world.

The repressive Taliban regime has received almost universal condemnation, particularly for their harsh treatment of women. Only three countries, including Pakistan, recognize them as the country’s rightful government.

A high-level Pakistani delegation was set to travel to Afghanistan on Monday to urge Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to hand over bin Laden, CNN learned Sunday.

The Taliban, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has threatened any neighboring country that allows its soil to be used to help the United States stage an attack on Afghanistan.

3 years ago

Former California Seismic Safety Commissioner Endorses 9/11 Truth Movement


SAN FRANCISCO, CA July 16, 2007 — San Francisco architect Richard Gage, AIA, founder of the group, ‘Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth,’ announced today the statement of support from J. Marx Ayres, former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council.

Mr. Ayres is a nationally recognized expert in building air conditioning design and analysis, energy conservation, thermal energy storage, commissioning of HVAC systems, and earthquake damage to building mechanical systems, with over 55 years of experience. Co-founder of one of the largest building engineering firms in Los Angeles, Mr. Ayres has been in responsible charge of the design of hundreds of major building projects, including high rise offices, commercial centers, hospitals and laboratories, hotels and residential buildings, universities and colleges, schools, theaters and entertainment centers, jails and correctional facilities, TV and sound studios, governmental buildings and industrial facilities.

Post Modified: 07/17/07 18:15:00

3 years ago

Here is something that is pretty interesting. 911 Truthers made it very uncomfortable for John McCain to do his usual campaigning. The first part of the film shows McCain talking about the growing threat to the United States, you guessed it, terrorism, and in particular, Al Queda, and he looks tired, perhaps it is the film editing that makes him look tired and like some kind of a tired robot spouting these words about the threat of terrorism over and over again.

McCain Loses It and Flees After 9/11 Truth Questions

911 Truther, Luke Rudkwowski, is seen exercising his freedom of speech and flashing his press credentials, given to him by Alex Jones.

Post Modified: 07/18/07 22:21:40

3 years ago

I hate to call Luke Rudkwowski a kid, but this kid is relentless. He can be seen in action in the following video,

FOX’s Alan Colmes Confronted on New York Streets-AGAIN

3 years ago

The subject of whether there is going to be another staged terror attack of the same magnitude of 911 is rearing its ugly head, you know, the one that will give special powers to the president, the one that some say will suspend our civil liberties.

New Executive Order / Old-line Republican warns ‘something’s in the works’ to trigger a police state

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After researching the matter further it appears that the situation surrounding Rudy Giuliani was some sort of media concoction, primarily disinformation. First, a politician of his stature doesn’t accidentally make public statements that incriminate or draw suspicion by accident, especially on the air before a national audience. Nor is it a coincidence that Jennings just ignores what the mayor had said, which of course, was that they had received word that the WTC was going to collapse. Although he didn’t state as such, claiming that the south tower collapsed before they could get out of the building implies a sense of urgency to evacuate. As already noted, what’s worthy is that we have yet another mainstream figure describing the collapse as an implosion.

Giuliani also indicates that he was coordinating efforts with the Police Commissioner, Fire Commissioner and the head of Emergency Management. So, we have several other officials besides the mayor who were forewarned and guilty of not informing the rescue squads still in the towers. According to the timeline posted on the Cooperative Research website, Giuliani’s initial statement & subsequent clarification contradict the sequence of events outlined by the 911 Commission. According to that report, at 9:30am: “ A senior OEM official orders the evacuation [of WTC7] after being told by a Secret Service agent that additional commercial planes are unaccounted for … Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen arrive[s] at WTC 7 shortly before the collapse of the South Tower, looking for Mayor Giuliani. Learning that the OEM headquarters has been evacuated …” [1]

So, we have a secret service agent and the Fire commissioner as potential relays of information. From numerous sources, at approximately 9:30am Assistant Fire Chief Joseph Callan makes the decision to evacuate the north tower. One of his main concerns was that the building could collapse. Firefighters on the upper floors didn’t receive the transmission. Callan states that he initially attempted to utilize the repeater but that it failed. About 30 minutes later, “A warning about the towers’ instability is issued from the Fire Vehicle Staging Area…”[2]

Moments later, the south tower collapses. Giuliani’s initial statement does not confirm that he knew the south tower, specifically, was about to collapse. It’s glaringly obvious that he did not receive some sort of “special warning” regarding the structural integrity of the buildings. Even if he had, what means was he to use to reach the units on the upper floors? The repeater in the south tower was reportedly functioning. Another source stated it was in & out, Callan abandoned its use altogether. Maybe it’s me who is under the wrong impression believing that the firefighters who ascended to the upper floors were deliberately on their own. What we can all agree on is that we lost 343 eyewitness accounts. First hand accounts that in my opinion, were considered well in advance. The lowly mayor was in no position to save them.

So, what do we have here? We have Giuliani discrediting himself for no reason, which in turn, fuels the premise propagated by groups associated with Alex Jones. What really turns it is that the “WTC to fall” video also appears to be closely linked to Jones, as is the one of the reporter arrested in NH. The citizens videotaped hurrying away from the towers were obviously informed to evacuate by official personnel.

So, Jones and his people knew that hundreds of ordinary citizens on the street that day had received the same warning. I also find it curious that both videos are spliced. I couldn’t care less about the one of Giuliani. However, near the end of the “WTC to fall” video a woman tells these guys “it is gonna explode.” After one of them says, “it’s gonna explode?” you can hear her elaborating further, but I can’t make out what she’s saying. A few seconds later the video is spliced and these characters are now a building or two further away from their original location (an over-hanging street light is in clear view). The video cam is aimed up toward the towers and its operator says “Jesus Christ” and the video ends.


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It’s going to fall, it is going to explode, these are statements that anybody could have made, based on what they thought might happen.

WTC to Fall

I am not convinced that Mayor Giuliani knew in advance specifically about the 911 attacks. In fact, I am inclined not to believe that. Giuliani and Bush were standing there in the destruction without masks.

What Giuliani is responsible for is the radios that did not work, at least he was the mayor. They knew the radios did not work, when the WTC was attacked in 1993. Chris Brodeur and others wanted the 911 Commission to honestly investigate some of the things that went wrong on 911. The fact that the radios did not work is a disgrace, and it should have been revealed and examined.

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Thanks for hyperlinking the video’s url, ‘preciate it.

Let me try to clarify my position. The point of the video isn’t the choice of words people used but that it irrefutably proves that hundreds of citizens had received advanced notice of the collapse. Giuliani himself said they were told and before they could even exit the building, the south tower came down. So, whatever prior knowledge he had, it wasn’t much.

The activists associated with Alex Jones conveniently didn’t care when he was told, just that he was and why he didn’t do something. Giuliani avoids their questions, changes his story and then you have this guy up in the old country adamantly pressing a staffer for answers to questions that are moot. We’re told he ended up in jail. The videos all lead to the same source, so these activists surly knew the relevant facts. It’s disturbing because a lot of us consider Alex Jones to be credible.

Modification: To say the source of the videos is one in the same, isn’t correct. I meant to say that they’re all used to support the same contention by groups associated with Alex Jones. In fact, the video showing Giuliani discrediting himself is actually a corporate source, NBC. So, it’s manufactured disinformation as far as I can tell.

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Heroes of Ground Zero

Cooperative Research

Here are the other two links you mentioned. Yes, I agree, manufactured disinformation. If push comes to shove, I’ve always said the Bush administration will take the heat for 911.

Just recently there was a revelation by Howard Hunt about his participation in the Kennedy assassination, turned out he blamed LBJ.

What did Fletcher Prouty say, LBJ knew what those shots in Dallas meant, and he knew they could do the same thing to him.

These days we have Webster Tarpley, who talks about Angel is Next, the apparent warning that Bush received on 911, the reference to the code name for GWB’s plane.

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Alex Jones Says The Pentagon Is Coming After Him

Loose Change producer and Iraq and Afghanistan veteran Korey Rowe has been arrested and handed over to military officials without bail for allegedly deserting the Army.

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Yesterday Alex was definitely in crisis mode, today everything seems to be cleared up. There apparantly was some kind of glitch in the system. Korey Rowe put out a video on YouTube saying that he is not going anywhere, let alone to prison.

Loose Change producer released, heads to Fort Campbell to clear his name

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Korey Rowe, 24, who served with the 101st Airborne in Afghanistan and Iraq, told that he was honorably discharged from the military 18 months ago — which he said he explained to sheriffs when they pounded on his door late Monday night.

Funny thing is Korey Rowe has more credibility than ever before, because he served with the Screaming Eagles in two wars.

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Specter, Leahy question use of 9/11 fund money


WASHINGTON: Two senators want to know why a $1 billion Sept. 11 insurance fund appropriated by Congress to help ailing ground zero workers has not been used to compensate those exposed to harmful substances.

Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and the committee’s ranking Republican, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, said in a letter to the insurance company overseeing the Sept. 11 health-related claims that they are considering convening a hearing in September.

“Reports that the World Trade Center Captive Insurance Company has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on salaries on administrators and over $45 million to private law firms are troubling,” the letter said.

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Letter to Giuliani From Rescue Workers


May 29, 2007

Dear Mr. Giuliani,

As you know, tens of thousands of New Yorkers like ourselves came together on September 11 to help search for survivors, rescue victims, and begin to clean-up after the attacks on our great city. Many of those first responders including James Zadroga, Cesar Borja, and Debbie Reeve developed debilitating health problems after breathing the toxic dust from the collapsed World Trade Center towers. Thousands of 9/11 responders, whose heroic efforts helped our city and country get back on its feet quickly, have attempted to get much-needed medical attention to help recover from their illnesses. For six years, we have pleaded with the Federal government for help, but have received nothing, but even worse, we haven’t received straight answers from our own government.

Mr. Giuliani, in your speech at a Hoover Institution meeting in Washington, D.C. on February 26, 2007, you stated that you have never heard anyone tell you that they want to leave the country to get care because the U.S. has the “best healthcare system in the world.” The two of us, along with our friend and 9/11 responder, John Graham, actually did leave the country to receive free healthcare that we couldn’t get here in the United States.

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Another Firefighter Testifies On Explosions Inside WTC

BROOKLYN, N.Y. – Firefighter John Schroeder, assigned to Engine Company 10 directly across the street from the World Trade Center complex, holds back tears and describes his first-hand experience on Sept. 11th. His story directly contradicts many aspect of the National Commission on Terrorist attacks though corroborates many other eyewitness testimony.

“Standing outside the firehouse with my buddies, we were talking about how beautiful the day was. Then just like that, our lives changed forever. Some of those guys I would never see again.”

In this exclusive interview, Firefighter Schroeder recollects in great detail how he was one of the first firefighters to rush to the complex. “We first assembled on West Street, where we saw someone burnt beyond recognition. We were like ‘What is going on here?’ and then went straight into the Marriot building” From there, Firefighter Schroeder made his way to the lobby of the North Tower. “It looked like a bomb went off, and we started making our way up the stairs to rescue as many people as we could.”

As they were making there way up the floors, Firefighter Schroeder heard a huge explosion. “The elevators just blew right out. We couldn’t believe it. The plane hits 80 floors up but the elevators explode at least five minutes later? It was unreal.”

Firefighter Schroeder made it all the way up to the 23rd floor before barely hearing on the failing radios that another plane was coming in. That plane would hit the South Tower though for some reason “We were tossed like a rag doll by another explosion in our building. People were making there way down the stairwells burnt like you couldn’t believe. We were all shocked because it seemed as if there was fire everywhere, on so many floors. It just didn’t make sense”.

The stairwells were black, and at that point, firefighters were making the decision to head back down stairs. In making there way down to the third floor, they were not able to find an exit. “The lobby was like a war zone. We could not find our way out. Then, all of a sudden, one of the maintenance workers had a key that opened a back door that got us out of there. He saved my life.” That worker was Willie Rodriguez. “I want to thank him from the bottom of my heart.

Firefighter Schroeder today has lost 40% of his lung capacity. “We haven’t been treated properly at all. From the day of the attack, our physical and mental health has deteriorated and it seems as if no one cares. To lose friends, to have to recover their bodies in the days after, to be offered no protections against that horrific-smelling dust that was everywhere even though the government said the air was OK to breathe is just not right.” Some of Firefighter’s Schroeder’s best friends have gotten out of the FDNY altogether while others accepted money and trips to help. “I stayed right here and did the right thing and now it feels as if I’m suffering the most. Where is our government to help the one’s with the toughest jobs on that day and the days after?”

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Former Chief of NIST’s Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center

Aug 22, 2007
Alan Miller

James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), has called for an independent review of NIST’s investigation into the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11.

Dr. Quintiere made his plea during his presentation, “Questions on the WTC Investigations” at the 2007 World Fire Safety Conference. “I wish that there would be a peer review of this,” he said, referring to the NIST investigation. “I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they’ve done; both structurally and from a fire point of view.”

“I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable,” explained Dr. Quintiere. “Let’s look at real alternatives that might have been the cause of the collapse of the World Trade Towers and how that relates to the official cause and what’s the significance of one cause versus another.”

Dr. Quintiere, one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, also encouraged his audience of fellow researchers and engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses. “I hope to convince you to perhaps become ‘Conspiracy Theorists’, but in a proper way,” he said.


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National Academy of Sciences Member Calls for New 9/11 Investigation


One of America’s most prominent scientists, Dr. Margulis is Distinguished University Professor in the Department of Geosciences, University of Massachusetts – Amherst. She was elected to the National Academy of Sciences in 1983 and served as Chairman of the Academy’s Space Science Board Committee on Planetary Biology and Chemical Evolution. In 1999, President Bill Clinton presented Dr. Margulis with the National Medal of Science, America’s highest honor for scientific achievement, “for her outstanding contributions to understanding of the development, structure, and evolution of living things, for inspiring new research in the biological, climatological, geological and planetary sciences, and for her extraordinary abilities as a teacher and communicator of science to the public.”

Professors Question 911

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Here’s a video titled — Who killed John O’neill … The setting is fictional, Ryan Thurston plays a guy struggling with the truth about 9/11, the CIA, the CFR, AIG, etc… Thurston in fact plays the role of all the characters. I still can’t get textism to work, below the url is included. The video provides extensive insight that I was unaware of. I don’t know about parts of the premise, one being that because the CIA’s drugging trafficking operation was nearly disclosed via Iran-Contra, they needed it to have more of a front. Thus, the govt presents al qaeda as a terrorist organization that happens to be involved in drugs, when in reality, according to this video, Mohammad Atta is the new Barry Seal.

The video starts by implying that U.S. support for Islamic fundamentalists began with the Afghan Mujahadeen in ’79. I believe western Intel had infiltrated certain groups to counter Arab nationalism long before then. The Fedayeen whacking Iranian intellectuals dates back to the 1940s. The video leaves out the link between al qaeda’s money laundering and the blood diamond trade of West Africa. FBI foreknowledge of 9/11 ran throughout the agency. The cheeseheads squelching O’neill’s efforts is mentioned, but examples such as insider trading connecting agents Lynn Wingate & Jeffrey Royer are omitted.

Federal prosecutors were able to link the agents to Amr Ibrahim (Anthony) Elgindy, a rogue short-seller, who enjoyed international acclaim. Elgindy, a.k.a. Tony Pacific, who possessed illicit access to FBI and grand jury databases attempted to dump shares on Sept. 10th, telling his broker he expected a significant drop in the market. There’s no connection between Elgindy and the attacks, but his actions implied foreknowledge. I had a file on him but lost it when my hard drive crashed.

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I believe the video is in here somehwere.

John O’Neill started his new job at the WTC on September 10, 2001. Part of his story was shown on Frontline called The Man Who Knew.

Ramzi Yousef was sentenced for the attack on the WTC in 1993, on September 11, 1996.

Daniel Pearl was disappeared for investigating ISI ties to 911.

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Deputy Chief Raymond M. Downey, Commanding Officer of the Special Operations Command (SOC), died in the line of duty, while helping others escape from the fire and collapse scene of the twin towers at the World Trade Center on Tuesday, September 11, 2001. Downey was a 39-year FDNY veteran and the most highly decorated firefighter in its history.

America’s Number One Collapse Expert Thought WTC Bombed

FDNY commander said south tower implosion “too even” to be caused by jet fuel

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Reynolds files a complaint against the USA. No planes hit the towers

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frauds and liars out to confuse and halt murder investigations.

Judy Wood — no intention of publishing a paper [cuase it would be rejected]
Steven Jones — no intention of publishing a paper [cause it would be rejected]

Both are working with Fetzer a fucking liar.

“even if it were true, i wouldnt say it” [fetzer]

They are part of the cover-up.

Wood is full of shit

Jones is using biblical stories to sell ‘brimstone and thermite”.

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“I think I know an explosion when I hear it,” Craig Bartmer, first responder, said. “I didn’t see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, I didn’t hear any creaking or anything or any indication that the building was going to come down.”

Nothing new here just that it is an easy eight minute watch, and I like the title, The Third Tower

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9/11 Family Members, First Responders & Experts Speak Out

Join us for this powerful one-day symposium
Saturday November 3, 2007
Saint Joseph College West Hartford , Connecticut

Sponsored by Citizens for a New 9/11 Investigation

Co-Sponsored by: Architect & Engineers for 9/11 Truth – Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice –
The FealGood Foundation – Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth –

Join us for an authoritative one-day symposium exploring the questions that still surround the events of September 11th, 2001. Our intention is to bring the undisclosed stories, testimony and evidence concerning 9/11 into mainstream public discourse. It is our belief that an educated public will demand new independent investigations that will ultimately lead to our larger goals of justice and redress for the countless victims of 9/11 and its aftermath.

Time: 10:00 a.m. – 10:00 p.m. with lunch and dinner breaks

Program: The program starts at 10 am with a showing of the first part of the documentary film “9/11 Press for Truth” introduced by Robert McIlvane, 9/11 family member who lost his son on 9/11 followed by presentations and panels through to 10 pm.

Download Symposium Flyers here: PDF for print | PDF for web


William Pepper — International Human Rights Attorney – Commissioner of New York City 9/11 Ballot Initiative (

Richard Gage – AIA Architect — Founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

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Sofia — Producer & Director of the groundbreaking film 911 Mysteries

John Feal — 9/11 First Responder – Founder of the FealGood Foundation, a non-profit organization advocating for 9/11 first responders

Robert McIlvaine — 9/11 Family Member – Father of Robert G. McIlavine, 106th Floor, North Tower

Donna Marsh O’Connor — 9/11 Family Member – Mother of Vanessa Lang Langer, WTC Tower II, 93rd floor and Advisory Board member

Gordon Haberman — 9/11 Family Member – Father of Andrea Lyn Haberman, 92nd Floor, WTC Tower I

Tickets for Symposium: Purchase tickets online at

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Seating is limited. Early ticket purchase is recommended. Ticketing information and questions – please call Cheryl Curtiss 860-922-5803

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Tania Head

Sofia — listen to sofia explain why she removed sounds from authentic footage and added her own for viewing pleasure.

Prof Jones — listen to babyface talk about use of a chemical that burns but does in no way explain how a 300tn steel section could be launched 200meters laterally.

Jimmy Walter is sick of these idiots

One of the persons with integrity who made a stand has had enough.

The ‘groups’ which are operating today — 911Truth, Scholars for… and other affiliates are full of shit working to keep you, the person questioning 9/11, inline with the status quo/.

They are there to waste your time. Keep you entertained with fanciful ideas while they lead you into oblivion.

Stick to what ‘they’ dont want you talking about. Stick to what they cant explain and what is the lynch pin of the entire horrific event.

there were no plane crashes, what we saw were CGI

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2 years ago

Jones and Fetzer parted company ages ago.
Ever heard of the explosive Super-Thermite, dumbass?

2 years ago

Do you realize that you made posts on the previous page of this very thread supporting Woods?

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Zark, what does Tania Head have to do with the symposium? I don’t see her name there.


“9/11” is neither the first nor an isolated incident, just “their” latest contemptuous slapping of our faces to keep us shocked and in line. Consider that Tom Hanks will star in a TV series this year “proving” that JFK was killed by Oswald alone.

A quote from Jimmy Walter. I like Walter, and the quote sounds like something I might say. There is nothing lower than rewriting U.S. History to try to prove something that was torn to shreds decades ago.

Do you mean we cannot trust Robert Bowman, the former Air Force pilot, who flew intereceptors?

I don’t know this person, and for that matter I have not heard of some of the people on the list but do we have to fear something from John Feal — 9/11 First Responder – Founder of the FealGood Foundation, a non-profit organization advocating for 9/11 first responders?

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FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds Will Now Tell All

Attention CBS 60 Minutes: we’ve got a huge scoop for you. If you want it.

Remember the exclusive story you aired on Sibel Edmonds, originally on October 27th, 2002, when she was not allowed to tell you everything that she heard while serving as an FBI translator after 9/11 because she was gagged by the rarely-invoked “States Secret Privilege”? Well, she’s still gagged. In fact, as the ACLU first described her, she’s “the most gagged person in the history of the United States of America.”

But if you’ll sit down and talk with her for an unedited interview, she has now told The BRAD BLOG during an exclusive interview, she will now tell you everything she knows.

Everything she hasn’t been allowed to tell since 2002, about the criminal penetration of the FBI where she worked, and at the Departments of State and Defense; everything she heard concerning the corruption and illegal activities of several well-known members of Congress; everything she’s aware of concerning information omitted and/or covered up in relation to 9/11. All of the information gleaned from her time listening to and translating wire-taps made prior to 9/11 at the FBI.

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That’s a dangerous announcement – she should just do it.

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All I can say is…. WOw… The thread lives on…..still…. If any body with any credablity can actually defend the official story, please contact thom hartman on air america, he cannot find any body and wont do a show on it until there is representation for both sides LOL

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hahha good call Chickenma!

That flight 93 footy from a few posts ago is crazy! I’m just curious … because my first thought was, it had to have been shot down! ... but does a plane make more debris if shot down as opposed to maybe a crash?

Like I said it does seem to me like a shoot down, but is it possible that if you nosedive a plane at full speed it can just obliterate itself? I mean its one or the other or there just wasn’t any plane.

Any enlightenerers for me?

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That deep hole suggests to me it nose-dived full speed into the ground.

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Articles written around the time of the September coup can be revealing, this one pursues different theories, but there is one constant, as there usually is, when the government wants to cover-up.

We know it crashed, but not why

And the FBI, which assumed control of the probe from the National Transportation Safety Board, refuses to release data from either of the critical “black boxes,” the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder.

Citing the ongoing war on terrorism, the FBI says it can’t say when it will release the data – or indeed, if it ever will.

This week, the nation was rocked by another jetliner crash – American Airlines Flight 587 in New York – and the difference in the way the probes have been handled is remarkable. In the latest crash, federal officials released detailed information about the cockpit voice recorder in less than 36 hours.

THE 911 CALL. At 9:58 a.m., roughly eight minutes before impact, a 911 emergency dispatcher in neighboring Westmoreland County took a call from a frantic passenger who said he was locked in the bathroom of Flight 93 and that the plane had been hijacked. The caller said there had been an explosion aboard the plane and there was white smoke. Authorities have never explained the report, and the 911 tape itself was immediately confiscated by the FBI.

Many of the answers – if not all – should be contained on the black boxes recovered shortly after the crash. Without that data, however, a number of aviation experts contacted by the Daily News were reluctant to speculate.

“Those are the things that would answer those questions – without those I don’t know how to answer,” said Carl Vogt, a former chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board and now a Washington attorney.

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WeAreChange with Charles Giles and John Feal

If you’ve been following the news around the the internet you may have heard that a man named Charles Giles, an EMT on 9/11, is about to be thrown out of his house because he fell a little over a month behind in his mortgage. This sick and dying first responder has been put through the ringer of government and corporate bureaucracy.

The town of Barnegat, NJ has done what it can to raise money for Charles and his family preparing for the inevitable sheriff sale of his house but John Feal’s Foundation and WeAreChange has decided to fight for this man by taking his story to the masses and implicating the bank’s and law firms behind this.

This man was severely burnt and had a badly damaged eye but refused to go home and went back to the pile at the trade center until December. He stayed because that’s the kind of man Charles is. He wasn’t going to give up on us and so we aren’t going to give up on him.

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Do you mean we cannot trust Robert Bowman, the former Air Force pilot, who flew intereceptors

I mean, one cannot trust any of these so-called leaders.
Bowman, Reynolds, S. Jones, Fetzer, Griffin etc etc.

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Do you realize that you made posts on the previous page of this very thread supporting Woods

absolute non-sense. I posted a link to fuzzybobs and stated “incredible” and asked a question about the dirt.

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None of these fuckers will answer questions about ‘crash physics’.

As far as they are all concerned what was seen on TV was real, regardless of physical laws.

They question almost everything regarding the official story but not the “hijacked planes”.

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Physics 911, A Scientific Panel Investigating 911

United Airlines Flight 93

This flight was reported by the federal government to be a Boeing 757 aircraft, registration number N591UA, carrying 45 persons, including four Arab hijackers who had taken control of the aircraft, crashing the plane in a Pennsylvania farm field.

Aerial photos of the alleged crash site were made available to the general public. They show a significant hole in the ground, but private investigators were not allowed to come anywhere near the crash site. If an aircraft crash caused the hole in the ground, there would have literally hundreds of serially-controlled time-change parts within the hole that would have proved beyond any shadow of doubt the precise tail-number or identity of the aircraft. However, the government has not produced any hard evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that the specifically alleged aircraft crashed at that site. On the contrary, it has been reported that the aircraft, registry number N591UA, is still in operation.

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Ed Asner made an unscheduled appearance at the 911 Symposium at St. Joseph’s College, in Hartford, Connecticut, last Saturday, November 3rd. He mentioned that he was doing something at The Hartford Stage.

“I’ve never met a dumb one of you yet, said Mr. Asner, “I’m honored to be in your presence. Asner then mimicked the look that people give you, when you talk to them about 911.

“We may never be able to nail them or anybody”, Asner said. “The American people can so blindly go on with their lives and not challenge Big Brother. Look at Bill Maher’s reaction, look at the number of people, who don’t have time to listen,” Asner complained. “I feel privileged to be here with you today, it may well take an eternity for us.”

Finally, the word us, after making sure to distance himself from the 911 Truth Movement.

Bob MacIlvaine was next to the microphone. He broke down and cried as he often does at these events as he uttered the words, “My son was murdered”. MacIlvaine said that he has spent six years talking to so many people and he said there are simple questions that the media won’t talk about. He said his neighbors don’t want to talk about Tower 7. Then he introduced Press for Truth.

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Physics 911

In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft — and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. This is because every military and civilian passenger-carrying aircraft have many parts that are identified for safety of flight. That is, if any of the parts were to fail at any time during a flight, the failure would likely result in the catastrophic loss of aircraft and passengers. Consequently, these parts are individually controlled by a distinctive serial number and tracked by a records section of the maintenance operation and by another section called plans and scheduling.

Following a certain number of flying hours or, in the case of landing gears, a certain number of takeoff-and-landing cycles, these critical parts are required to be changed, overhauled or inspected by specialist mechanics. When these parts are installed, their serial numbers are married to the aircraft registration numbers in the aircraft records and the plans and scheduling section will notify maintenance specialists when the parts must be replaced. If the parts are not replaced within specified time or cycle limits, the airplane will normally be grounded until the maintenance action is completed. Most of these time-change parts, whether hydraulic flight surface actuators , pumps, landing gears, engines or engine components, are virtually indestructible. It would be impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an airplane crash to destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts or their serial numbers. I repeat, impossible.

Considering the catastrophic incidents of September 11 2001, certain troubling but irrefutable conclusions must be drawn from the known facts. I get no personal pleasure or satisfaction from reporting my own assessment of these facts.

George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.)

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“We’ll get their lies down on paper”, said Patty Casazza, one of the Jersey Girls. She made an appearance last Saturday, at St. Joseph’s College, in Hartford, last Saturday, November 3rd. She was talking about the 911 Commission Report.

Patty Casazza

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Physics 911

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Sander Hicks email – For those in the NYC area


9/11 Info Resource Series

At St. Marks Church, 2nd Ave. & 10th Street
Sunday, Nov. 11th @ 6:30 pm

“9/11: Blueprint For Truth”
by Richard Gage, AIA
Founder of Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth

Come view this film of Richard Gage whose organization now has over 200 architects and engineers who challenge the official story. Most Americans unfortunately lack a basic aptitude for understanding science. This is why this 2-hour detailed presentation with clear visuals explaining the physics and science of the WTC tower collapses (#1, #2, and #7) from an industry professional’s perspective is so important. You’ll learn why the towers could not have fallen at virtual freefall speed due to fires or the impact of the planes.

This film is perfect for all in the building trades and anyone who has seen the evidence proving government lies and cover-up and still believes the official version. For those who already have studied the evidence of explosives, it will also solidify your understanding of the physics of the tower collapses. At the end of Richard Gage’s presentation everyone winds up convinced through his expert analysis that only a “controlled demolition” could have brought the buildings down. This is a turning point which all Americans who consider themselves “informed” must be open to.

Richard Gage has been a practicing architect for 20 years and has worked on most types of building construction including numerous fire-proofed steel-framed buildings. He is employed with a San Francisco Bay Area architecture firm. See his site at

Suggested donation for each event: $5

Sponsored by NY 911 Truth

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Wow, you guys in NY should go to that Gage event. He’s all class.

I saw this at tehBlogger today.


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...and this…

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Mechanical engineer Gordon Ross, in his July 2007 talk on the destruction of the Twin Towers, pointed out that:

“Those [core] columns which were situated adjacent to and accessible from inside the elevator shafts failed at an early stage of the collapse.
Those columns which were remote from the elevator shafts, and not accessible from the elevator shafts, survived the early stages of the collapse.”

Well, that’s a coincidence. According to USA Today: “On Sept. 11, ACE Elevator of Palisades Park, N.J., had 80 elevator mechanics inside the World Trade Center”.

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Welcome to Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

9/11: Blueprint for Truth is available right there on the top left corner of the front page of Gage’s website.

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fucking textile bollocks

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Richard Syrett Show 9/11 Truth Debate

Richard Gage vs. Ron Craig

Richard Gage, AIA debated Ron Craig, a member of the International Society of Explosives Engineers, on the “collapse” of the 3 WTC buildings, Monday, November 12, 2007 (2 hours).

Minimize this thing and listen, while you look around on the internet, it is worth listening to, it is nowhere near two hours long, because all the commercials are edited out.

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Notes on Blueprint for Truth


The myth that developed
Elements of the myth
Never has fire caused a high-rise building to collapse
If a building pancakes you see the pancakes, you do not get pulverization

Typical features of
90% of our evidence is showing evidence of controlled demolitions which is undeniable
Collapses follow the path of least resistance
They do not come straight down through themselves

Around the 65-minute mark
The core columns
All of the elevators are adjacent to the core columns
30-foot lengths ready to load
Wireless detonation means you do not have to run wires everywhere
Does this look like an explosive force or a gravitational collapse?
These 30-foot pieces ready to load
That does not happen with a gravitational collapse

70-minute mark for ten minutes or so
Can see the individual explosions
Fire has largely burned out, you see black smoke, not much fire
Starts to tilt
Top of the building shredded from demolition otherwise, it would have fallen through the air
The pile driver was shredded
There is no top of the building pushing the rest of the building down
The mass of the building will resist
Many laws of physics were-violated

About the squibs 77-minute mark
NIST says the squibs are puffs of air caused by the building pushing down but they appear forty floors or more below the ensuing collapse
They are not puffs of air, they are pulverized building materials
You can calculate their velocity, which is too great for puffs of air
That much pressure would blow out all the windows
And the squibs would not be forty floors below
The debris area was twenty times the footprint
Where are the pancakes? Where are the 110 floors?
Could not find any steel decking, trusses, all pulverized

Pools of Molten Metal at the 82-minute mark
Fire department personnel saw the molten steel flowing like lava
Witnesses found huge pools of molten metal

91-minute mark
Spherical up to the size of a bb
Telltale signs of thermite, how did they get round? Due to explosives
Falls on the cars and corrodes all of the cars surrounding
Thousands corroded the tops of the cars, not by the explosions
From some corrosive element such as thermite settling on them

95-minute mark
Pyroclastic flows building pulverizing itself to dust in the first seconds
90,000 tons of concrete pulverized into dust 100 microns the width of a human hair

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Air America Debate Audio Online

Another commercial-free debate, this time Kevin Ryan debates Michael Shermer.

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Kevin Ryan’s Opening Statement

Couple of hypothesis
Official hypothesis requires extreme negligence by a number of government agencies
The other hypothesis generated war on terror with attacks of 911
It definitely was a conspiracy
Was it a conspiracy of Al-Queda?

Michael’s Shermer’s answer to this is
Al Queda said they did it, would do it again, there is a long history of Al Queda attacks, 1993, embassies, LAX plan
Is it possible for 19 people to do this versus Bush conspiracy with lots of people running around
Much easier for 19 than it would be for thousands of operatives
Nobody spilled the beans
The simplest explanation is the best explanation

Ryan back to the two hypothesis
What are the historical facts about Al Queda?
Product of the CIA, deep connections to Saudis and Pakistan
KSM, the mastermind was connected to the ISI, Said Sheik wired $100,000 to lead hijacker Mohammed Atta

Why be skeptical of 911 Commission?
Ryan said because of the facts left out, the conflicts of interest, Building 7, Marvin Bush’s connection to WTC security, OBL was allowed to escape

We have a conspiracy no matter what?
We have two hypothesis, Ryan reiterates

Who was in charge of defending the country?
JCS Chief was flying to London, NORAD leader, Eberhardt was indisposed, where was Rumsfeld? Not in 911 Report

Shermer said he just googled 2200 buildings, which collapse from the bottom up
Questions whether people could have planted all those bombs placed in just such a way
Have to know where the planes are coming in
There are examples of buildings collapsing from top down, Ryan said

Cognitive problem says Shermer
People say Roosevelt had foreknowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack
Shermer says, I will give you one example, the memo Condi Rice got, it was one of lots of memos, and AQ was doing all kinds of things all around the world, and in retrospect, it is easy to pick it out after the attack.

Talk to us about Building 7, question to Ryan
Still waiting for an official explanation, no building ever collapsed from fire before 911, free fall three buildings in same day, 911 Commission did not cover Building 7
Tom Hartman asks why not just fly the planes into the buildings? Ryan said, Whoever controls the world’s oil controls the world, it was for the psychological effect. Wait an hour or so, and when everybody is in front of the television, they can watch the buildings collapse.

Why is OBL not on the Most Wanted List?
Shermer said, ask the government, they are looking for him, he may not be on the list, what difference does that make?

Shermer says if it happened, why hasn’t somebody written a book about it?

Ryan says there are whistleblowers out there
FBI whistleblowers Ryan said a lot of them out there

Shermer answered a question about the stock options, and he said that in hindsight we connect the dots, if there was so much activity ahead of time, why didn’t they stop it?

Ryan says we have a conspiracy no matter what,
conspiracy is a derogatory term
Evidence points to the alternative hypothesis

Shermer says, AQ said they did it, they would do it again, and they are proud that they did it

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After over 30 years in the military, happily doing whatever the military told him, Doug Rokke worked his way through college, BS in physics (Western Illinois), and MS and PhD in physics at the U. of Illinois Champaign/Urbana. All this time, he was still a “warrior”. And then, after “Desert Storm” (mass murder part I), Major Doug Rokke was handed he “DU clean-up project” by the U.S. Army. The Army brass (read corporate flunkies) knew what a hideous thing “depleted uranium” was, but Doug Rokke didn’t. When he found out, he was determined to expose the crimes, In this talk, Doug Rokke relies on his life-long contacts and experience in the Pentagon (3rd floor office, a 100 feet from the impact site) for the low down on the absurdity of a 757 folding its wings back and disappearing through a series of holes. Hello! .- 5meg quicktime and 11meg winmedia links below: youtubelink

9/11 HELLO (Madison, Aug. 5, 07) When we blew up the World Trade Center – I want to repeat, that it was deliberately blown up. The aircraft definitely hit the sucker. There were definite explosions inside the thing. You talk to Willie Rodriguez, you talk to the police and the fire, my guys – no two ways about it. It’s on the radio communications. Everything else out there. It happened. The Pentagon, same thing. No aircraft hit the Pentagon. Totally impossible! You couldn’t make the turns with a 757. You couldn’t fly it in over the highway. You couldn’t fly it over the light poles. You couldn’t even get it that close to the ground because of turbulence. You ever stick your hand out a car window? You ever [stood] by when a semi-truck goes by you on a highway? Hello! You can’t do it.

We had all the photographs [interior and exterior of the damaged Pentagon], we had all the evidence. We looked at the stuff and we go, ‘hnh!’ Hello! There’s nothing there. You got clear, sheered off thing…on the north side which is the west side of the hole. You look at that stuff and you go, ‘Hnh, it didn’t happen.’ No engines, no wreckage, no damage, no nothing! My guys came out through the hole after it was supposedly created [by a 757]. Now if there was an aircraft or aircraft wreckage in [there], they couldn’t have come out through the hole. Duh. Real simple. You got the cordite smells throughout it. This is not real difficult to figure out, okay. Reality is.

Now when I got investigating and doing all this stuff, I called the guys at the 9/11 Commission: “Hi, hello, could you please explain to me…” Congressional staff called me back up and said, “Hey major…the wings folded back on the aircraft and it all went through the hole.” Yeck! Sorry. Reality is.

[The] 9/11 Commission Report. How many people have read it? It’s real easy. If you ever get this thing open, and the first thing you have that just blows everything out of the water. Just go to page 313 of the 9/11 Commission Report and right there is a picture of the Pentagon after the impact and the collapse. What’s really exciting is there’s no fire to the north side, the left side. The walls are standing. Geez, the engineer report said the aircraft knocked down all the walls. I wonder why they’re still standing The other thing, too, is that you can’t fly an aircraft between a light pole. [The light poles] are only two fire trucks apart. You can’t fly it over. That aircraft was [reportedly] flying at twenty-six thousand feet per minute. Twenty-six thousand feet is five miles per minute. Now I don’t know how many people fly here, man; I’ve flown everything from a Piper Cub up to a B-52, okay. I’ve been in fighters…. You can’t turn this thing [the alleged Boeing 757] that fast. You can’t bring it over, level it out and get it in [the alleged target], much less the engines would have impacted the ground way the heck out. And you couldn’t get it down there [near ground level] for the turbulence without the whole thing breaking up…

But then if you really want to get, interesting – my old buddy, Tommy Franks – General Tommy Franks – when you go to page 336 [of the 9/11 Commission Report], “Franks told us he was pushing independently to do more robust planning on military responses in Iraq during the summer before 9/11 – a request President Bush denied, arguing that the time was not right. CENTCOM also began dusting off plans for a full invasion of Iraq during this period, Franks said.” Okay. They’re already in place.

One of the most interesting things that happened in the last 24 hours, two things actually. The Sunnis walked out of the Iraqi government. Flat out walked out. Hello. It collapsed. The other thing is all the guys in our government – our President, Dickey Cheney – say that, hey, they underestimated what was going to happen. They didn’t realize all the conflicts and everything within Iraq and the Middle East. That’s the reason [put forward] go in in March of 1991 to overthrow Saddam. Because we knew it would turn into a turmoil.

CUT TO VIDEO, 1994 INTERVIEW WITH DICK CHENEY (Former Secretary of Defense for Bush I):

Question: So you think the U.S. or UN forces should have moved into Baghdad?

Cheney: No.

Question: Why not?

Cheney: Because if we’d have gone to Baghdad, we would have been all alone. There wouldn’t have been anybody else with us. It would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade Iraq. Uh, once you got to Iraq and ‘took it over’ and took down Saddam Hussein’s government, what are you going to put in its place? It’s a quagmire.

Doug Rokke spoke at the Madison 9/11 Conference Aug 5, 2007 hosted by Jim Fetzer and Kevin Barrett. Rokke, PhD, was the former director of the US Army Depleted Uranium Project. He has taught undergraduate and graduate courses in environmental science, environmental engineering, nuclear physics, emergency management, and served as a staff physicist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign for 19 years. His military career spanned four decades, including combat duty in Vietnam and Gulf War I.
(filmed and edited by Josh Harvey, snowshoefilms. transcribed by yor yevrah, filmmakes notebook #140)

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The First Fifteen Minutes of September 11th, Former Air Traffic Controller Robin Hordon

The First Fifteen Minutes of September 11th
Former Air Traffic Controller Robin Hordon speaks out on 9/11, NORAD and what should have happened on 9/11.

By Jeremy Baker

Within three hours of the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Robin Hordon knew it was an inside job. He had been an Air Traffic Controller (ATC) for eleven years before Reagan fired him and hundreds of his colleagues after they went on strike in the eighties. Having handled in-flight emergencies and two actual hijackings in his career, he is well qualified to comment on what NORAD should have been able to achieve in its response to the near simultaneous hijacking of four domestic passenger carriers on the morning of September 11th, 2001.

“There had to be something huge to explain why those aircraft weren’t shot down out of the sky. We have fighters on the ready to handle these situations twenty-four-seven. We have NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) monitors monitoring our skies twenty-four-seven. We have a lot of human beings, civilian and military, who care about doing their jobs.”

I spoke to Mr. Hordon one afternoon at a coffee shop in Bremerton, Washington.

“You have to understand the emotions, the duty, the job of an ATC. We are paid to watch aircraft go across the country.”

It’s clear that Hordon is passionate about the subject. A lot of people are. The dark questions that the attacks have left lingering in the national psyche have been recorded. 49% of New Yorkers believe that the government had something to do with 9/11. Following an interview with Charlie Sheen, a CNN poll revealed that 82% of respondents believed that there was “a government cover-up of 9/11.” Jay Leno asked Bill Maher on The Tonight Show about the fact that 37% of Americans (according to Scribbs-Howard) believe that the government was involved in some way with the attacks (Maher was definitely not one of them).

As far as the “emotions, the duty, the job” of an ATC is concerned, Hordon puts it this way:

“Imagine yourself at a circus, a fair, a crowded sports event. You have in your hand your little child of five or six, you’re amongst hundreds of people and you turn around and see that your child is gone. How do you feel at that moment? You feel panicked. You feel that this is the worst thing possible, so what you do is you engage. When ATCs lose an aircraft, all hell breaks loose. They flip right into motion. We take action and do not wait for other things to happen.”

As a former member of the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) and PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization), Hordon’s years as an ATC are particularly relevent to 9/11 researchers.

“I was a certified ATC in Boston west-bound departures, the routing that AA11 and UA175 followed on 9/11. I know it like the back of my hand.”

He even received a letter of commendation for his role in dealing with an actual hijacking. When it became clear that there hadn’t been a systems failure of any kind on the morning of September 11th, Hordon was certain that something had gone terribly wrong within the upper echelons of authority. A pilot (third level air carrier) as well as an ATC, he is well versed on in-flight emergency protocol. He is also adamant that if these procedures had been followed on 9/11 not one of the hijacked planes would have reached their targets.

“I’m sorry but American 11 should have been intercepted over southwest Connecticut—bang, done deal.”

According to Hordon, air emergencies requiring scrambles, or “flushes,” from fighter jets occur 50 to 150 times a year.

“It’s routine. At Otis AFB we would have practice exercises two or three times a year. We’d flush aircraft, get the B-52’s up, get the tankers up, get the fighters up. Just out of Otis there’d be twenty, thirty fighter jets. And on 9/11 there were plenty of fighters as well. They were just diverted over the ocean, tied up in drills, etc.”

The vast majority of air incidents are simple communications or routing failures, common mishaps that are easily remedied. Nonetheless, when a problem does arise, it is treated as an emergency and interceptors are scrambled.

“This is exactly what’s written in our manuals. We alert our immediate supervisors, we get another set of eyes on the scope. We have, two feet away from us, a little button that says ADC, Air Defense Command [nowadays NEADS (Northeast Air Defense Sector)]. Bing, hit the button. ‘Hey, this is me at the Boston Center air space. I just lost a target or I have an erratic target. He is twenty-five miles west of Keene, last reported at such-and-such location.’”

Pilots use similar checklists when responding to problems with their airplanes:

“If I lose an engine in a multi-engine aircraft I know exactly what to do. I start to control the aircraft to fly with one engine, I’ll shut the ailing engine down, I’ll get the aircraft trimmed up. It’s check, check, check.”

Hordon is not persuaded by those who make excuses for the lack of military response on 9/11. U.S. air defenses have been on hair-trigger alert to defend the nation from attack since the early sixties. The idea that, on the morning of 9/11, there was an inexplicable wave of incompetence on the part of his former FAA “brothers in arms” offends him deeply.

“The pilots are in their ready rooms, the planes are in open-ended hangars. You have frontline players, pilots and controllers. I’m there, I’m watching. The pilot is there, he’s flying. We have direct air defense command communications. That’s the way it’s been for fifty years.”

The unfathomable delays seen in military action on 9/11 are inconceivable to those who have painstakingly investigated the matter—and for a man who worked for years keeping air travel over the U.S. safe.

“Military pilots would have their asses off the ground faster than you could imagine. I know how quickly our systems can respond. Why would you design a system that responds slowly to an emergency?”

Claims by authorities that, once a hijacked aircraft’s transponders have been turned off, the plane becomes virtually invisible to radar, is another sore point for Hordon.

“Bottom line, these aircraft were always radar monitored, we were always in communication with them, even if they were hijacked. The only way you can lose an aircraft these days is for the plane to flat out blow up.”

Since any genuine air attack would not likely announce itself as such, NORAD radar has to be able to detect anything. But there’s nothing stealthy about an enormous Boeing passenger liner, whether its transponder is operating properly or not.

“That aircraft is represented on their radar scope from the time it takes off to the time it lands. Even little puddle-jumpers out of our local airports. NORAD tracks all these aircraft. They have the world’s most sophisticated radar.”

After eleven eventful years as an ATC, Hordon naturally reacted with shock when he first heard that fifty years of tried and true in-flight emergency protocol was abruptly altered in June of 2001, just two months before the attacks.

“Rumsfeld put a third party in between the ATC and the Air Defense Controller responsible for scrambling interceptors —the Pentagon.”

He speculates that

“the phone calls went from the FAA to the Pentagon and were not answered. Therefore the Pentagon never reached down to the ADC base to release the aircraft. The Boston Center’s ATCs got so frustrated with the non-answer from the military that they finally said, ‘get these guys going anyways.’ That’s the way it’s been for fifty years. We scramble aircraft. We don’t wait for OK’s from third or fourth parties.”

The no-show status of the U.S. military on the morning of September 11th, 2001, has understandably become the single most compelling point that 9/11 researchers, writers and activists use to support their claims of complicity on the part of the U.S government (and its military and intelligence apparatus) in the attacks. When even those who condemn “conspiracy theory” in regard to 9/11 have questioned the military’s conduct that morning, it’s clear that this anomaly is worthy of intense concern and diligent investigation. Whatever the case may be, there are no doubts that history’s largest and most technologically advanced military was apparently caught completely off guard by four huge hijacked passenger jets that were in the air for almost two hours on the crystal clear morning of 9/11.

9/11 researchers have spent years speculating about what exactly did happen in the cockpits of the hijacked jets on 9/11. Theories run the gamut, from duplicate aircraft taking over the flight plans of the hijacked planes to passenger jets being remotely commandeered in mid-air. Naturally, the technical complexities involved in operating a huge commercial passenger jet can only be fully conveyed by someone with extensive aviation training and experience.

“For years, they have been improving what the common person will call an autopilot. The modern term is a flight director. You can program a flight director basically for your entire flight, before and after you take off.”

Flight directors—high-tech navigational computers—are used in commercial aircraft because they are always sensing every factor that affects an aircraft’s flight (wind speed and direction, fuel weight, atmospheric conditions, etc.) and instantly make the adjustments necessary to sustain the most efficient and economic operation of the plane.

“The Boeing 707 Series, I believe, were the last series of aircraft built where you actually controlled the plane using wires or cables. There are no cables anymore. What we have now are electronic or hydraulic sensors that transmit information to servos and other control devices that apply pressure to the control surfaces.”

The fact that the operation of modern aircraft is primarily computerized essentially makes the controls hackable, either from onboard or, if the proper receivers are installed in the plane, from a remote location.

“Internally the aircraft had to have a separate receiver unit built into it; separate windows of access into the flight director and an ability to disengage the manual controls in the aircraft and take it over with all of the pre-determined information.”

Hordon adds an important caveat:

if a flight director was redirected during a flight, the new flight-plan would not necessarily be communicated to those on the ground.

Obviously, the training required to alter a flight director’s routing is substantial. But, as a student pilot learns to operate increasingly sophisticated aircraft, this knowledge becomes available as needed. Hordon believes that if the hijackers really did take control of the cockpits this may well have been what they were studying in the flight schools they attended.

Much has been made by 9/11 researchers about the seemingly limitless incompetence of the 9/11 hijackers as pilots—amateur aviators who could barely operate light aircraft. This odd fact has led many conspiracy advocates to speculate that the nineteen alleged hijackers may have been merely a gang of patsies or “Oswalds,” groomed by their handlers to take the fall for the attacks without their knowledge or involvement. Some researchers even speculate that these “terrorists” never actually boarded the planes at all. Although this theory may sound outlandish to many, it is however supported by the astonishing fact that none of the hijackers’ names appear on any of the published passenger manifests. But Hordon believes that, if the hijackers really were on the planes and did indeed take over the cockpits as reported, their ability to actually fly the aircraft to their targets is a distinct possibility.

“If anybody thinks that these flight directors weren’t sophisticated enough to be programmed to go to these exact, specific coordinates—WTC One and Two—they’re wrong. It has nothing to do with pilot competence.”

Hordon believes that it would be relatively easy for the hijackers to reroute a commercial jet’s flight director to hit any location with great accuracy, as long as they had acquired the proper training. This is apparently one of the few accurate scenarios portrayed in the Hollywood movie Flight 93, a film Hordon otherwise dismisses as elaborate propaganda designed to deceive the public and sell the official story. This point is intriguing when you consider the fact that a book recently published by the editors of Popular Mechanics magazine—Debunking 9/11 Myths—specifically claims that the hijackers of UA Flight 93 stormed the cockpit, took over the controls and drove the plane by sight, a method that PM and its army of expert technicians and specialists have nicknamed “point and go.” Besides representing a bizarre departure from Hordon’s expert analysis, PM’s “point and go” theory also contradicts the scenario dramatized in Flight 93. Although it’s difficult for many people to believe that such a lack of consensus exists among the “experts” who support the official story, this is really just one of many examples where this kind of unfathomable contradiction has occurred.

Some theorists have speculated that homing beacons may have been transmitting signals to Flights 11 and 175 from within the Twin Towers—all the hijacked planes had to do was follow these signals to their destinations. Although he doesn’t necessarily subscribe to this theory, Hordon elaborates on it as a possibility:

“When a commercial jet approaches its destination, the flight director interfaces with transmitters located at the end of a runway and makes the adjustments. All the pilots have to do is sit back, monitor the controls and watch the airplane land itself, even in “zero-zero” conditions [no ceiling height or visibility].”

This combination of computerized onboard controls and what is essentially a homing signal from the flight’s destination is called “coupling,” a technological dance performed by aircraft thousands of times a day at airports all around the world.

Often criticized by detractors for speculating about the use of “Buck Rogers”-style aviation technology in the attacks, 9/11 researchers are nonetheless vindicated by Hordon who believes that such speculation may not be so outlandish after all. Referring to elaborate experiments done by the military decades ago that involved the remote control commandeering of aircraft, Hordon responds:

“In the seventies, they were extremely sophisticated with aircraft. Could they commandeer an aircraft in mid-flight right now? Absolutely, in a heartbeat. Clearly the technology is there. It’s been there for a long time.”

It only seems reasonable that if this technology were the most efficient, reliable and discrete means to guarantee the success of such an elaborate operation, the conspirators wouldn’t hesitate to make full use of it.

The question of whether or not the hijackers piloted the planes themselves or if control of the aircraft was taken completely out of their hands by operatives from a remote location has always been central to 9/11 researchers. But, to Robin Hordon, it’s, at best, a moot point:

“My answer to you is it’s irrelevant. It’s irrelevant whether the hijackers were real and were actually in the aircraft or whether the aircraft was commandeered by external forces. It could have been either one. One way or another, somebody other than U.S. certified airline pilots took over that aircraft, whether it be a terrorist sitting in the cockpit or someone outside the cockpit.”

Whatever scenarios Hordon may consider in regard to Flights 11, 175 and 93, he is adamant that 9/11 researchers shouldn’t rest until they’ve gotten to the bottom of the alleged crash of Flight 77 into the Pentagon. To many, the idea that a military jet or missile—not Flight 77—actually struck the Pentagon is a bizarre and almost inconceivable assertion. But for many 9/11 researchers, it is a central and compelling focus.

“The particular maneuver that was called upon for this huge Boeing aircraft, OK, it’s highly suspicious that a flight director could pull that one off. We also know that it’s highly suspicious that if it were the pilot that people say was operating the aircraft, we know that that guy couldn’t pull that off. That was completely impossible.”

A common notion to which many defenders of the official account cling (including such notables as Noam Chomsky) is the idea that any conspiracy as vast as 9/11 would have had to involve hundreds, perhaps thousands of people, all in-the-know and willing to go to the grave with their secrets. But well researched claims—that many sizable covert operations have indeed been kept from the public in the past; that state of the art technology can drastically reduce the number of people required for any given “op,” and that systemic “compartmentalization” of duties can effectively exploit many people’s involvement without their knowledge—have convincingly refuted this assertion. In addition, the ability of higher-ups to intimidate and silence potential whistleblowers after the fact is formidable. Naturally, Mr. Hordon has a thing or two to say on the subject.

“I think we all have to agree that, one way or another, the U.S. military was involved in the attacks. The advantage that Rumsfeld had is that he can classify, reshape, make available, make unavailable any information that he wants, at any time and deny that information to the public for any reason, especially national security.”

Hordon believes that one facet of the plan that the conspirators could not control was the individual integrity of the civilians in the FAA—dedicated professionals who would not likely remain silent if they had witnessed something unusual during the attacks. Number one on Hordon’s list are the air traffic controllers:

“What part of this whole thing is missing? Is it not the voice tapes from the civilian ATC’s? They had to devise a way to take the loose lips group, the civilian guys, and disengage them. If they are allowed to testify exactly as to their normal protocol behavior, they’re going to prove that the military were the culpable ones.”

When he was in the FAA, Hordon was certified as the operator in his facility tasked to secure relevant data after an air emergency; if not entirely because of public safety concerns, certainly for liability reasons.

“Whenever we had an incident, an emergency, on-air trouble, some type of a near ‘mid-air’ or a breakdown in aviation rules, we would immediately take the voice tapes and secure them. We would immediately take the radar data on that controller’s scope that day and secure them. Whenever there was an incident, all of the information, all of it was secured. Period.”

Despite this rigid protocol, there have been shocking accounts of ATC records being seized shortly after the attacks and kept far from public scrutiny. Hordon believes that these ATC recordings have either been destroyed or mutilated.

“The reason that they’re not giving us this early-on information is because they want to paint a picture of confusion, and they had to somehow get the civilian eye-witnesses out of it.”

Although the 9/11 Commission, desperate to deflect the public’s attention away from official quarters, scapegoated the FAA for incompetence in regard to the attacks, Hordon believes that the real confusion originated in the Pentagon, a theory that jibes well with the timely and suspicious change in air defense protocol mentioned above.

“The FAA has given us the computerized information about the aircraft being tracked. What the FAA has not given us is the internal tapes from the sectors in the Boston Center who were controlling this aircraft.”

If there were one point Robin Hordon would like to impress most upon 9/11 Truth researchers and activists it would be that the truth about the non-performance of U.S. air defenses on 9/11 lies in a careful examination of the first few minutes after the planes were known to have been hijacked.

“The first fifteen minutes are the key. I have done the math. If we had scrambled some aircraft five or six minutes after we saw this huge deviation, the fighters from Otis would have intercepted American 11 over southwestern Connecticut or just south of Albany, NY. The federal government and the military, for extremely serious reasons, are keeping the public focused on after American 11 hits the tower. But the real focus for 9/11 researchers should be what NORAD was doing five minutes after American 11 lost its transponder and went off course.”

Whatever criticism Hordon may have for NORAD and the Pentagon, it certainly doesn’t extend to the individuals on the frontlines of our nation’s civil defense:

“These are military fighter pilots. These are good guys. They figure stuff out. What do you think the pilots are doing? Ordering coffee and donuts? No. They are up there, their blood is pumping, they are thinking one thing: ‘My country is being invaded. This is why I stand on the ready in the waiting room down at Otis AFB; so that I can get up and defend my country.’ Do you think they’re going to get on the tail of American 11 when it was heading straight for the WTC and let it hit? No. What they’re going to do is say ‘OK, there’s going to be some bodies and shrapnel…boom.’ They’re going to take that risk.”

One of Hordon’s more ambitious proposals for the 9/11 Truth movement is that a support network be developed for the aid and protection of its single most important resource, whistleblowers.

“What the 9/11 movement should do is band together and develop safe lives for whistleblowers.” Legal counsel, moral support, even physical protection could do much to inspire those who are considering stepping forward with potentially explosive insider testimony about the attacks.

Hordon would also like to see young people being told the truth about politics, history and the world in their schools. “The people who are our greatest assets are the kids in high school. If the military is taking advantage of the susceptibility of high school kids to seduce them to kill people, the peace movement needs to offer alternatives. We need to make available, at the end of the high school years, alternatives of thought in regard to the world’s economy and control apparatus.” Hordon’s plan, though idealistic, is not without a certain opportunism:

“I want to go to high school kids because it’s a two for one proposition. First, their ears are wide open. They’re skeptical about this government right now and they’re plugged into the internet. Second, if we give them material to bring home, it winds up on the kitchen table. And what happens when parents find contraband that’s come into the house? They read it. It’s two for one.”

Many 9/11 activists believe that their work on issues related to the attacks has greater potential for true social transformation than any other single issue, and Hordon emphatically agrees.

“I think that this 9/11 thing is the quintessential opportunity to expose all of the infecting poisons; more than Iran Contra weapons for hostages, more than rampant militarism, more than Watergate, more than Enron, more than the dark side of the world’s financial institutions, more than any other similar kind of thing. I think that this is pretty much their last gasp, and the reason is very simple; the internet. We’re going to catch’em.”

Activists with a sense of humor are always a breath of fresh air. After his stint as an ATC, Hordon worked for years at the comedy club Catch a Rising Star in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Something must have rubbed off:

“We have two parties in this country; we have republicans and we have republicans dressed up in blue drag. And when we get the blue outer clothing off of the fake democrats, they stand there in their red Armani underwear.”

Hordon respects humor as a formidable weapon for activists. As an artistic coordinator for up and coming comedians, he once worked with some of the most talented and successful comics of our time including Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David. Some of the political comics he once coached are regulars on Air America Radio. Of the reigning powers-that-be, he has this to say:

“They know they’re done with 9/11. They know they’re cooked. They’re just throwing boxes of nails in the road behind their car as it speeds away and they’re hoping that all our tires get flattened. But it’s not happening. They know they’re pretty much done.”

Grounded and well informed, Robin Hordon is not a typical pie-in-the-sky progressive, and he likes what he sees happening around him.

“There’s so much good work being done. There’s such a cool pattern now and there’s so many kids coming up who know not to believe the stories they’re being told.”

His greatest hope is that these young movers and shakers shun the roads previously taken by their less politically savvy forebears.

“Sixty percent of our elected officials are millionaires. Until we change that, we are going to struggle to make our democracy better. And I think that, you now, democracies are OK. I think it’s a pretty good plan. I think we should try to get one.”

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Fool Me Twice – Powerful New Documentary Exposes 2002 Bali Bombings as False Flag Terror

33:55 mark

conversation Emad Salem, FBI informant infiltrated a group that was recruited by the CIA, and they were on the CIA payroll in Afganistan.

This information was on our televisions, but it has not been talked about since. The FBI built and supplied the bomb that exploded in the basement of the WTC in 1993. At 31:37, Dan Rather talked about recorded conversations with the FBI, conversations that were recorded by Emad Salem.

You can watch it in pieces at YouTube

6 of 20 is what you see when you go to the link I provided to YouTube above, and that particular video at the top is about Emad Salem and the 1993 attack.

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New York Times Bestselling Author Aims at 9/11 Coverup with Both Barrels Blazing


New York Times bestselling author Steve Alten is releasing a novel January 22nd which addresses the 9/11 stand down, the injection of false radar blips into air traffic controllers’ screens, PNAC, the 9/11 Commission whitewash, the Anthrax attacks, and related issues.

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No, sorry, the 911 Commission investigation was inadequate. No ifs or ands about it. It was a complete whitewash. Just ask the victims. They will tell you.

In Their Own Words: Untold Stories Of The 9/11 Families

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Commission Confidential

By Max Holland

In a revelation bound to cast a pall over the 9/11 Commission, Philip Shenon will report in a forthcoming book that the panel’s executive director, Philip Zelikow, engaged in “surreptitious” communications with presidential adviser Karl Rove and other Bush administration officials during the commission’s 20-month investigation into the 9/11 attacks.

Shenon, who led The New York Times’ coverage of the 9/11 panel, reveals the Zelikow-Rove connection in a new book entitled The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation, to be published next month by TWELVE books. The Commission is under an embargo until its February 5 publication, but Washington DeCoded managed to purchase a copy of the abridged audio version from a New York bookstore.

In what’s termed an “investigation of the investigation,” Shenon purports to tell the story of the commission from start to finish. The book’s critical revelations, however, revolve almost entirely around the figure of Philip Zelikow, a University of Virginia professor and director of the Miller Center of Public Affairs prior to his service as the commission’s executive director. Shenon delivers a blistering account of Zelikow’s role and leadership, and an implicit criticism of the commissioners for appointing Zelikow in the first place—and then allowing him to stay on after his myriad conflicts-of-interest were revealed under oath.

Shenon’s narrative is built from extensive interviews with staff members and several, if not all, the commissioners. He depicts Zelikow as exploiting his central position to negate or neutralize criticism of the Bush administration so that the White House would not bear, in November 2004, the political burden of failing to prevent the attacks.

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Thanks Suitcaseman. We’re still reading.

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It’s kind of humorous when the apologists of the official 9/11 story keep pushing the same faulty explanations. The apologists cannot defend against the overwhelming evidence against them.
The oxygen-starved diffused fire (911) reached temperatures around 600C; this can be seen from the video evidence and the evidence from the tested material from 9/11; even if the steel did weaken, it doesn’t collapse…it twist, warps, and sags.

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Yes. You are certainly welcome, Chickenma. These stories get more interesting with time, because, as you know, the government is never in a hurry to investigate its own agencies and departments. But we must admire the efforts of the 911 Truth Movement , and we hear in this video, from Lorie Van Auken, I bet you I can remember how to spell her name without checking to see if its is accurate, who is one of the now-famous Jersey Girls , not long after they got their name along came Jersey Boys.

We must admire these people for their steadfastness, they seek to uncover the truth, whereever it leads them, they are not afraid. In this short clip, Lorie Van Auken talks about the three contradictory stories that NORAD told, about its responses on September 11, 2001. Ms. Van auken reiterates her desire for an authentic investigation into the events of 911.

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And from the 911 Truth website, the latest news,


The rally is aimed to address the following issues:

  • The federal government just cut 9/11 Health Care funding by 77%. A paltry $25 million was designated for fiscal year 2009, down from $108 million in 2008. This means every program in existence (including Mt. Sinai) will be operating on a severely reduced budget.
  • This past December 2007, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Michael Leavitt canceled plans for the World Trade Center Business Process Center. This center was designed to provide treatment for the 10,000-plus First Responders who reside outside the New York metropolitan area, many of whom are seriously ill.
  • The 9/11 Health & Compensation Act (aka the James Zadroga bill) has still not been passed. This very important piece of legislation that would help all 9/11 families has been ignored within Congress up until now—it is time to speak up to to get it passed!

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Extra Extra, Read All About It

In the last Congress, I was chairman of the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. In that capacity, I learned that in the time immediately leading up to the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, convicted Oklahoma City bomber and murderer Terry Nichols had been in Cebu City in the Philippines. His stay in Cebu City coincided with another visitor to that city, al Qaeda’s terrorist leader Ramsey Yousef. Interestingly, both Nichols and Yousef used similar bombs and methods just 2 years apart to blow up two American targets. Yousef was the mastermind of the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993. Nichols was a coconspirator in the bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal Building in 1995.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher links WTC 1993 bombing to OKC bombing and 9/11 in 15th anniversary speech

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There is no such thing as a coincidence.

During my investigation, I secured Ramsey Yousef’s cell phone records. The records were part of the phone calls that he made when he was in that New York City area in the months just prior to the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993.

The phone records show that Ramsey Yousef made at least two phone calls to a row house in Queens, New York.

That row house was occupied by the cousin of Terry Nichols’ Filipina wife. Let me repeat that. The terrorist bomber of the first World Trade Center attack, the nephew of al Qaeda 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, made phone calls to the same row house that was occupied by Terry Nichols’ cousins-in-law just 2 months before he exploded the bomb in the garage of the World Trade Center 15 years ago. Another coincidence?”

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Another excerpt, this one is about John Doe II

It also is the name, by the way, of an Iraqi man in Oklahoma City who at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing employed an Arab immigrant who fits the description originally made by numerous witnesses as to John Doe II.

This Oklahoma-based Iraqi lied, meaning the John Doe II look-alike, lied to the investigators about his whereabouts at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing, yet there was little if any follow-up on this John Doe II look-alike. In fact, the FBI simply declared that John Doe II never existed.

The existence of John Doe II, let it be remembered, was based on a sketch and sketches derived from witnesses on the scene of the Oklahoma City bombing and the truck rental company in which that bomb was placed on a truck from that truck rental company. Those witnesses described a man who, as I say, looked very much like Samir Khahil’s employee.

Now, I have repeatedly asked the Department of Justice to tell me if the Samir Khahil on the unindicted coconspirators list of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing is the same Samir Khahil who employed a man originally identified as John Doe II, the bomber, the number two bomber in the Oklahoma City bombing. The Justice Department’s answer: ``It would be too burdensome to find out if it was the same man.’‘

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Griffin Takes Powerful New Approach to 9/11 Truth

9/11 CONTRADICTIONS by David Ray Griffin is the fifth of his books to examine the official account of the events of September 11, 2001. This brilliant and highly readable book takes a new yet simple approach to the truth about 9/11. It focuses entirely on contradictory statements made by members of the Bush administration, government departments and agencies, and official bodies such as the 9/11 Commission. All the statements that Griffin examines are official claims in direct conflict with other official claims. How could this be? Why would the government keep changing “the official story”? The public, of course, is expected to take all the statements as incontrovertibly true, yet they directly conflict with one another.

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U.N. Official Urged Commission to Study Neocon Role in 9/11


On March 24 in an interview with a radio host and former University of Wisconsin instructor, Kevin Barrett, Mr. Falk said, “It is possibly true that especially the neoconservatives thought there was a situation in the country and in the world where something had to happen to wake up the American people. Whether they are innocent about the contention that they made that something happen or not, I don’t think we can answer definitively at this point. All we can say is there is a lot of grounds for suspicion, there should be an official investigation of the sort the 9/11 commission did not engage in and that the failure to do these things is cheating the American people and in some sense the people of the world of a greater confidence in what really happened than they presently possess.”

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Telling the Truth About 9/11: The 9th Annual Conference on Human & Social Global Health Crises

The Common Cause Medical Research Foundation will host the Ninth Annual Conference on Human and Social Global Health Crises in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada on August 29, 30 and 31 of 2008. The Conference theme this year is: Telling the Truth About 9/11. The three day conference of lectures, workshops and discussion sessions will be chaired by Dr. Harold W. Clark and will feature keynote addresses by:

Professor Peter Dale Scott: The Death of JFK, Forty Five Years Later and the War on Terror Today

Dr. David Ray Griffin: The 9/11 Fraud
Professor Donald Scott: The Advent of AIDS
Dr. Garth Nicolson: The Science of Cancer, AIDS, CFS and Gulf War Illness
William Rodriguez: Surviving the WTC Collapse
Dave von Kleist: 9/11 Ripple Effect
Dr. Donald V. Bodeen: Winning the Secret War, Final Edition

Advance registration for all lectures and sessions including the Annual Banquet is being accepted now. For more information contact William (Bill) Scott at 705.673.0726 ( or write to:
CCMRF Conference
Box 133, Stn B
Sudbury, Ontario P3E 4N5

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Pentagon Propaganda: So Much Worse Than We Thought By John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton, PR Watch. Posted April 25, 2008.


David Barstow of the New York Times has written the first installment in what is already a stunning exposé of the Bush Administration’s most powerful propaganda weapon used to sell and manage the war on Iraq: the embedding of military propagandists directly into the TV networks as on-air commentators. We and others have long criticized the widespread TV network practice of hiring former military officials to serve as analysts, but even in our most cynical moments we did not anticipate how bad it was. Barstow has painstakingly documented how these analysts, most of them military industry consultants and lobbyists, were directly chosen, managed, coordinated and given their talking points by the Pentagon’s ministers of propaganda.

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9/11 theorist not curtailing his research


Sixteen months ago, Brigham Young University and Steven Jones parted ways, but he said this week he isn’t bitter about the academic divorce.
He certainly hasn’t curtailed his volatile research on the collapse of the three World Trade Center towers after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

(Yes, three towers fell, not just two. If you didn’t know that, Jones is particularly interested in reaching you with his message that some other group, in addition to al-Qaida, likely contributed to the collapses.)

In fact, Jones is the lead author of a paper on the collapses published April 18 in a civil engineering journal.

The journal article does not list his past tie to BYU, and that’s a big Mission Accomplished for university leaders, who felt they acted to protect BYU’s reputation when they worked out a retirement package with Jones and he left at the end of 2006.

But Jones is sharing a cramped BYU office with some professors. He also does research in a BYU lab as an outside user with a student who works with him.

Most importantly, he is preparing several more papers that, if they pass peer review and are published, will give him the peace of mind that his case reached the public.

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Trial process to begin for accused 9-11 plotters


Nearly seven years after the attacks and at least five years after their capture, Pakistan-born Kuwaiti Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the purported key 9/11 planner, and four others will formally be charged with murder, terrorism and other war crimes, launching the process of trying them under special military commissions at the US naval prison at Guantanamo.

All face possible death sentences, but the question of whether the trials will ever get underway and how long they could last still looms darkly over the process.

To be arraigned alongside Mohammed are Walid Muhammad Salih Mubarak Bin Attash, a Saudi Arabian; Ramzi Binalshibh of Yemen; Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali, Mohammed’s nephew also from Kuwait; and Mustafa Ahmed Adam al Hawsawi, of Saudi Arabia.

The five were arrested between 2002 and 2003 and held for interrogation for several years in secret Central Intelligence Agency prisons outside the United States. In 2006 they were transferred to Guantanamo, but only in early May were they referred for trial by the convening authority of the military commissions set up to try US “war on terror” detainees.

In the June 5 hearing judge Ralph Kohlmann, a US marines colonel, will formally read the charges against them and allow each to enter a plea of guilty or not guilty, or postpone the plea.

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kudos suit
i applaude your tenacity
ive called 9/11 the poisonous tree
that we are eating the fruits of
someday we will get the real terrorists to stand up
blessings buddy

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Thank you. Speaking of tenacity, the We Are Change are my favorite people. The clip that I posted three months ago is my favorite.

Top New York Cop Thought Towers Were Bombed On 9/11

It is just one of those things that happens in America. The cat was out of the bag a long time ago.

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There is some evidence that the truthers are swaying the rest of us. A New York Times/CBS News poll in 2006 revealed that only 16 per cent of Americans polled believed the Bush administration was telling the truth about 9/11. More than half thought it was “hiding something”. This is not the same as believing the government actually launched the attacks, but a Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll the same year found that more than a third of those questioned suspected that federal officials assisted in the attacks or took no action to stop them so that the US could go to war.

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Hungry For Truth – Day 16

State Senator, Karen Johnson, tells Arizona legislature about 911.

More than 200 words

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The Japan Times

In January 2008 Fujita, a member of the Democratic Party of Japan, asked the Japanese Parliament and Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda to explain gaping holes in the official 9/11 story that various groups — including those who call themselves the “911 Truth Movement” — claim to have exposed.

Fujita, along with a growing number of individuals — including European and American politicians — are leading a charge to conduct a thorough, independent investigation of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001.

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A rebuttal of Chomsky’s 911 Comments


The Corbett Report has just released a two-part YouTube documentary to refute Chomsky’s infamous comments about 9/11. These videos make a good activist tool to help wake up left-wing academics and Chomsky acolytes. Please take a look and consider passing this link on to people you think might benefit from seeing it.

The first video deals with Chomsky’s dismissal of 9/11 science and starts to examine his dismissal of the “circumstantial evidence” that 9/11 was an inside job. The second video takes a look at his use of the term “conspiracy theory” and gets into some of the hard evidence, including hijacker financing, CIA insider trading, Able Danger and the 9/11 drills. Finally, we end with Chomsky’s infamous question “Even if it were an inside job, who cares?” question. We answer with the trailer for Truth Rising.

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Suitcaseman – you appear to be the dominant poster on this thread.

are you aware of any noteworthy references to a widely unknown, yet highly placed, Bush administration official (2001-2004) by the name of Dov Zakheim either on this thread or any other on

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Yes. Use the search engine in the top left corner of the GNN page right above this. Type in Zakheim. You will get numerous GNN articles about him or articles with comments about him. lday was the first person on GNN, as far as I recall, to talk about him. If you go back to the search box and type in Zakheim lday, you will get another collection of blogs and comments etc. Some of the comments come from this thread.

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lday was the first person on GNN, as far as I recall, to talk about him

i missed this when you posted it a month ago. I had already used google to find the post you refer to. not sure where it is in the middle of this thread, but basically lday believes the same thing i do when it comes to Dov Zakheim. major person of interest.

if there was a conspiracy, he could have easily masterminded the better part of it. then directed most of the operation with very little help. a few israeli mossad is about it.

lday is also quite the chess player. i searched the internet after looking at his blog page and found some of his games.

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Rosie and William Rodriguez on 9-11

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New York City 9/11 Ballot Initiative

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where are the dicks whom started this shit?

it was obviously fake watching from the other side of the world while my previous liberal leader kissed yankee ass so much his breath reeked of poo…

retarded Americans will believe anything… fucking morons

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Russian TV Holds Debate on Controversial 9/11 Film


To mark the seventh anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist acts, on 12 September Russian Channel One TV showed a controversial documentary, “Zero”, which questions the official version of events. The screening of the film, made by prominent Italian journalist and MEP Giulietto Chiesa, was followed by a studio discussion, in which two groups of experts – those who agree with Chiesa’s version and those who disagree – expressed their views.

“The film, justifiably or not – we’ll be discussing this tonight – questions the official version of events, but the film – and I’ve watched it with great attention almost twice over – never directly accuses the US government or Congress, or some dark forces in America, or the [American] Foreign [Policy] Council, of masterminding and organizing the terrorist acts. So, I am asking you: who did it?” moderator Aleksandr Gordon said at the beginning of the debate.

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Debate: Richard Gage, vs Michael Shermer, Skeptic Magazine

This lively and exciting debate, originally broadcast on Oakland’s KKGN 960am radio this last Thursday, September 18th, has had all commercials removed for this broadcast. It will be archived at after the broadcast.

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so for all the evolution in billions of years we just believe the politicians

we take comfort in their security

we find shelter in their integrity

“there’s a sucker born every day”

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Please convey my regards to Briefcase.

Good interview. Great find. I think it is unfortunate that the skeptic in the interview has no questions about the incident and relegates any information to the contrary of the official report or NIST findings as minutia, and attacks instead, the messenger. He makes a half-hearted attempt at the low-hanging fruit, and disregards entirely the ripe stuff that is out of his reach.

All the while, the person asking questions is a conspiracy theorist.

Out of the entire interview, THAT; was THE fucking masterpiece! I think Karl Rove owes someone dinner and a blow job.

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Now, most people would fly across America, but Borat prefers to drive “in case the Jews repeat their attack of 9/ 11”. ...

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Unseen 9/11 Footage Finally Being Released By FBI, DOJ

Steve Watson,, Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008

The FBI and the Department of Justice have released ten new videos relating to the events of 9/11, three years after a freedom of information act request for the footage was submitted.

The newly released videos show footage of the attack on the twin towers in New York on September 11th 2001.

Some of the videos were originally seized by the FBI in the hours after the attacks had taken place, others were handed to 9/11 investigators or discovered throughout the course of the investigation.

The videos were secured by FOIA attorney Scott Hodes, under instruction from his client Mr Scott Bingham.

Bingham has uploaded some of the footage to youtube and has set about writing blogs on the videos at

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Treason in the White House: History Will Expose You


Why did Bush stop The Senate And Congressional Intelligence joint inquiry investigators from interviewing an Informant who was the landlord of some alleged hijackers who the CIA “accidentally” let into the country?


“The Administration has to date objected to the Inquiry’s efforts to interview the informant in order to attempt to resolve those inconsistencies. The Administration also would not agree to allow the FBI to serve a Committee subpoena and deposition notice on the informant. Instead, written interrogatories from the Joint Inquiry were, at the suggestion of the FBI, provided to the informant. Through an attorney, the informant has declined to respond to those interrogatories and has indicated that, if subpoenaed, the informant would request a grant of immunity prior to testifying.”

Because our fearless king is a traitor who is protecting Saudi Arabia.

How did those alleged hijackers end up with a U.S. Intelligence asset as a landlord? They were taken there by a Saudi Arabian Intelligence agent. Named Omar al-Bayoumi. BTW, the FBI had already done an investigation on this guy back in the late 90’s because of his suspicious activities. Bush doesn’t want you to see this stuff, doesn’t want you to know who really funds Al Qaeda, because it blows the whole myth. You see, our King is a traitor who is protecting this other country, and their agents who have ties to “al Qaeda”.…

From senate intelligence investigation:

“In June 2002 testimony before the Joint Inquiry, DCI Tenet said:
“Once in the U.S., the hijackers were careful, with the exception of minor traffic violations, to avoid drawing law enforcement attention and even general notice that might identify them as extremists. They dressed in Western clothes, most shaved their beards before entering the U.S., and they largely avoided mosques.”

FBI Director Mueller appeared to concur:
“While here, the hijackers effectively operated without suspicion, triggering nothing that would have alerted law enforcement and doing nothing that exposed them to domestic coverage. As far as we know, they contacted no known terrorist sympathizers in the United States.”

This is what is known as getting caught in a lie…..

“However, the Joint Inquiry review of documents and interviews of FBI personnel indicate that the six hijackers who served as the leaders and facilitators of the September 11 attacks were not isolated in the United States, but instead maintained a number of contacts in the United States before September 11.”

“In a written response The FBI acknowledged that:
. . . the hijackers ‘may have had contact’ with subjects of prior or current counterterrorism investigations in San Diego. Such contact occurred principally through the hijackers’ attendance of religious services at various mosques in San Diego, some frequented by subjects of FBI counterterrorism investigations.”

“At a Joint Inquiry hearing in October 2002, FBI Director Mueller commented on his earlier testimony about the hijackers conduct in the United States:
“When I say that the hijackers did “nothing that exposed them to domestic coverage” . . . and when I say that the hijackers “contacted no known terrorist sympathizers in the United States,” I meant in the context of the hijackers not contacting — before 9/11 — terrorist sympathizers on whom we had technical or other form of coverage. The point being that had they done so, we might have been able to identify them as a result of that coverage. When making that statement, I did not have in mind what may have been known to the Bureau about persons such as al-Bayoumi a Saudi living in California, who may have assisted hijackers, al-Hazmi and al-Midhar. I can see, however, how the statement could be subject to an alternate interpretation that even as of June 18 we had uncovered no persons who had had contact with the hijackers and were “terrorist sympathizers.” I can assure the Committee that I had no intent to mislead.”

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Thanks, Suitcaseman. That last link led me to, the kind of difinitive link I’ve been looking for to forward to my scientist dad. Pretty tight evidence at this point, I’d say. I wonder if Snark or Shogo or Schneibster or any of the other nay-sayers immortalized in this thread have changed their minds.

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Well let me just say that I don’t think it’s about changing minds at this point. Especiall one that have appeared to be combative to anything that might suggest that the government played a role. I would suggest spending time spreading this info to people who might consider it with an open mind and not immediately dismiss it as the ramblings of a nutter. I’d hoped that you had learned your lesson by this point Chickenma. These people aren’t interested in a dialogue.

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“I wonder if Snark or Shogo or Schneibster or any of the other nay-sayers immortalized in this thread have changed their minds.”

They only trolled this thread because Jews were being implicated in various ways.

Once the Psy-op question came to light, they fled to the darkest corner.

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Today’s conspiracies were yesterday’s facts on the ground
Part III
William Safire hinted White House “mole” may have aided 9-11 terrorists

By Peter Duveen

Of particular interest

Revisiting the 9-11 newspaper archives in light of seven years of research Part II

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January 16, 2009, 5:46 pm
Sept. 11 Death Toll Rises by One, to 2,752
By David W. Dunlap

New York Times

Leon Bernard Heyward did not die until last October, at the age of 45. But his name was added Friday to the official list of people who died as a result of the attack on Sept. 11, 2001. That brings the death toll to 2,752. The accounting is kept by the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, which said that Mr. Heyward was counted as a casualty “due to exposure to World Trade Center dust following collapse of the World Trade Center.” The issue of how to treat and compensate those who were exposed to the dust — particularly rescue workers — has proved to be one of the most vexing problems of the aftermath. A spokeswoman for the medical examiner said she had no information on what Mr. Heyward was doing at the towers that morning. The cause of his death was given as lymphoma, complicating sarcoidosis, a lung disease. The manner of death was listed as homicide.

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1 year ago

“The manner of death was listed as homicide.”

As it should be.

EPA Misled Public on 9/11 Pollution

11 months ago

11 months ago

I hope that video does go viral. A 911 Truth Group filmed meeting in a Masonic Family Center – five for irony!

11 months ago

11 months ago

Keep on keeping on. This thread has already managed to oust President Bush and his regime from office. Keep up and eventually I’m thinking it will bring down the evil of western civilization. The economy’s already on it’s way down.

11 months ago

When the news reports were playing endless cuts of the late great Paul Harvey, to my surprise they played one from 9/11 or 9/12 in which Paul Harvey said Bin Laden had denied any role in the attack. Anyway, just checking in – time to really push this thing, but to whom?

11 months ago

Just last night I was watching CNN. They were talking about Senator Patrick Leahy, who wants to form a Truth Commission to look at possible crimes committed by the Bush administration. Some of the 911 victims wrote a letter to Senator Leahy to ask him to take another look at 911.

An Open Letter to Senator Patrick Leahy

11 months ago

Bin Laden says he wasn’t behind attacks – September 17, 2001

DOHA, Qatar (CNN) — Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week’s terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, “The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

“I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons,” bin Laden’s statement said.

“I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations,” bin Laden said.

Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden’s denial, President Bush said, “No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that.”

Since Tuesday’s terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples.

Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born exile, has lived in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials blame him for earlier strikes on U.S. targets, including last year’s attack on the USS Cole in Yemen and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998.

Bin Laden’s campaign stems from the 1990 decision by Saudi Arabia to allow U.S. troops into the kingdom after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait — a military presence that has become permanent.

In a 1997 CNN interview, bin Laden called the U.S. military presence an “occupation of the land of the holy places.”

Immediately after the attacks that demolished the World Trade Center’s landmark twin towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, officials of Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban said they doubted bin Laden could have been involved in carrying out the actions.

The Taliban — the fundamentalist Islamic militia that seized power in Afghanistan in 1996 — denied his ties to terrorism and said they have taken away all his means of communication with the outside world.

The repressive Taliban regime has received almost universal condemnation, particularly for their harsh treatment of women. Only three countries, including Pakistan, recognize them as the country’s rightful government.

A high-level Pakistani delegation was set to travel to Afghanistan on Monday to urge Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to hand over bin Laden, CNN learned Sunday.

The Taliban, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has threatened any neighboring country that allows its soil to be used to help the United States stage an attack on Afghanistan.

10 months ago

9 months ago

8 months ago

Obama Weighs Plan Allowing 9/11 Suspects to Plead Guilty

You don’t have to go to Alex Jones for this stuff. It is right in front of your face. I heard Obama say yesterday something to the effect that he did not want people to engage in conspiracy theories about 911.

New York Times

The Obama administration is considering a change in the law for the military commissions at the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, that would clear the way for detainees facing the death penalty to plead guilty without a full trial.

The provision could permit military prosecutors to avoid airing the details of brutal interrogation techniques. It could also allow the five detainees who have been charged with the Sept. 11 attacks to achieve their stated goal of pleading guilty to gain what they have called martyrdom.

The proposal, in a draft of legislation that would be submitted to Congress, has not been publicly disclosed. It was circulated to officials under restrictions requiring secrecy. People who have read or been briefed on it said it had been presented to Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates by an administration task force on detention.

The proposal would ease what has come to be recognized as the government’s difficult task of prosecuting men who have confessed to terrorism but whose cases present challenges. Much of the evidence against the men accused in the Sept. 11 case, as well as against other detainees, is believed to have come from confessions they gave during intense interrogations at secret C.I.A. prisons. In any proceeding, the reliability of those statements would be challenged, making trials difficult and drawing new political pressure over detainee treatment.

Some experts on the military commissions said such a proposal would raise new questions about the fairness of a system that has been criticized as permitting shortcuts to assure convictions.

David Glazier, an associate professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles who has written about the commission system, said: “This unfortunately strikes me as an effort to get rid of the problem in the easiest way possible, which is to have those people plead guilty and presumably be executed. But I think it’s going to lack international credibility.”

The draft legislation includes other changes administration officials disclosed last month when President Obama said he would continue the controversial military commission system with changes that would increase detainees’ rights. It is not known whether the White House has approved the proposed death penalty provision. A White House spokesman declined to comment.

The provision would follow a recommendation of military prosecutors to clarify what they view as an oversight in the 2006 law that created the commissions. The law did not make clear if guilty pleas would be permitted in capital cases. Federal civilian courts and courts in most states with capital-punishment laws permit such pleas.

But American military justice law, which is the model for the military commission rules, bars members of the armed services who are facing capital charges from pleading guilty. Partly to assure fairness when execution is possible, court-martial prosecutors are required to prove guilt in a trial even against service members who want to plead guilty.

During a December tribunal proceeding in Guantánamo, the five detainees charged with coordinating the Sept. 11 attacks said they wanted to plead guilty. Military prosecutors argued that they should be permitted to do so. Defense lawyers argued that tribunals should follow American military law and bar the guilty pleas. The military judge has not yet made a decision.

Lawyers who were asked about the administration’s proposed change in recent days said it appeared to be intended for the Sept. 11 case.

“They are trying to give the 9/11 guys what they want: let them plead guilty and get the death penalty and not have to have a trial,” said Maj. David J. R. Frakt of the Air Force, a Guantánamo defense lawyer.

The military commission system has been effectively halted since January while the administration considers its options. The only death penalty case now before a military judge is the case against the five detainees charged as the planners of the Sept. 11 attack, including the self-proclaimed mastermind, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

Cmdr. Suzanne M. Lachelier, a Navy lawyer for one of the detainees in the Sept. 11 case, Ramzi Bin al-Shibh, said of the Obama administration, “They’re encouraging martyrdom.”

The administration has not announced whether it will continue with the Sept. 11 case in the military commissions or charge some of the men in federal court. Officials involved in the process said that lawyers reviewing the case have said that federal-court charges against four of the men might be possible, but that the evidence might be too weak for a federal court case against one of the five, Walid Bin Attash, a veteran jihad fighter who was known as Khallad.

Dean Boyd, a Justice Department spokesman, said no decisions had been made about where the men would be prosecuted. Mr. Boyd said it was premature to discuss any legislative proposals. But, he said, “As the president has said, the administration is working diligently to identify possible legislative amendments to the current military commission system.”

A bill presented to Congress seeking changes in the commissions could open a new debate about the system for trying terrorism suspects. The administration is already in a standoff with Congress over financing for Mr. Obama’s plan to close the Guantánamo prison by January.

In the Sept. 11 case, the five detainees have seemed to be daring the United States to put them to death, expressing pride in their acts of what they call jihad against America, which they described as “the terrorist country,” and its allies, “the filthy Jews.”

In December, the military judge, Col. Stephen R. Henley, ordered written arguments from lawyers. “Can an accused plead guilty,” Colonel Henley asked, “to a capital offense at a military commission?”

The military prosecutors argued that Congress had a “clear intent” to permit guilty pleas in death penalty cases at Guantánamo. They note that a detainee could be sentenced to death only after a unanimous vote by a panel of military officers.

Critics of the military commission system say that the battles over its fairness show that any execution would bring new scrutiny around the world. They say the prosecutors should be required to present evidence proving that anyone who is to be executed was actually guilty of the crimes charged.

Requiring prosecutors to reveal what they know about detainees and how they know it would cast light both on the interrogation techniques used against the men and the acts of terrorism for which they are facing death, said Denny LeBoeuf, an American Civil Liberties Union lawyer who works on Guantánamo death penalty issues.

“Don’t we have an interest as a society,” Ms. LeBoeuf asked, “in a trial that examines the evidence and provides some reliable picture of what went on?”

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8 months ago

Here’s what I’m talkin about

Obama versus Muslim conspiracy theories

His major speech in Cairo is directed at an audience that often blames difficulties on America and Israel. A bold move might help regain trust.

By Jacob Bronsther
from the June 3, 2009 edition

The Christian Science Monitor

Washington – Of all the challenges President Obama faces when he addresses the Muslim world in Cairo on June 4, the hardest to overcome may be the Muslim fascination with conspiracy theories.

It goes beyond Saudi schoolbooks that teach as fact the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (a demonstrably bogus Jewish “plot” for world domination) and Tehran’s sponsorship of a Holocaust skeptics conference. The 2004 tsunami? That was possibly caused by an Indian nuclear test, ably assisted by experts from the US and Israel, according to Egyptian newsweekly Al-Osboa. According to the 2006 Pew Global Attitudes Project, majorities in Egypt, Jordan, Indonesia, and Turkey do not believe that Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks. And when asked in the same survey what is most responsible for Muslim nations’ lack of prosperity, about half of those in majority Muslim countries responded “US and Western policies” either first or second, beating out “lack of education,” “government corruption,” “Islamic fundamentalism,” and “lack of democracy.”

Conspiracy theories threaten American diplomacy because when Mr. Obama promises X Thursday, a great percentage of Muslims will believe he really intends Y or that some shadowy organization will ensure Z. Every culture exhibits some interest in conspiracy theories (see “The Da Vinci Code”), but they are especially resonant in Muslim contexts, and Western leaders need to find a way to mitigate this problem. The first step is to understand its origins.

One explanation is Muslims’ historical experience with double-dealing, divide-and-conquering colonial masters. But there is a deeper rationale for religious Muslims (and most Muslims are extremely religious by Western standards). This is the cognitive dissonance – the mental disturbance caused by the collision of contradictory ideas – stemming from the Muslim world’s relative lack of prosperity and power.

In Islam there is a necessary link between religiosity and worldly power and success. The prophet Muhammad founded a religion and an empire, which lasted for a millennium. Jews and Christians, by comparison, experienced existential crises early in their histories and, as a result, developed narratives whereby God regularly tests his people with hardship or exists in a realm separate from man’s tribulations – the Kingdom of Heaven. Not so in Islam.

As a result, many Muslims ask themselves: How can Christians, Jews, and atheists dominate us – the greatest community, the one most connected to an active God, the one with a right to rule the world in the name of justice? Sayyid Abul Ala Mawdudi, one of radical Islamism’s founders, sermonized: “Your honor, which no one dared to touch, is now being trampled upon.… You are Muslims and yet are slaves! This situation is impossible as it is for an object to be white and black.”

There are three general paths out of this cognitive dissonance for Muslims.

The first is to secularize, to argue that Islam doesn’t entail earthly power. The unsuccessful Arab nationalists, communists, and liberals in the Muslim world have taken this view, holding in various ways that Islam is separate from politics.

The second is to pin blame on unfaithful adherents. Radical Islamists argue that if true Muslims are granted great power, then contemporary believers must be Muslims in name alone. Only by returning to the pure faith, which they interpret wildly into a totalitarian ideology, will the practical problems disappear.

The third solution – compatible with the first two, and the easiest one to adopt – is conspiracy theories. If Muslims are the preeminent community and deserve great success, evil forces must be suppressing them. Muslims will rise again, the argument goes, once they purge themselves of these shadowy foes.

Westerners often perceive Islam as a millenarian cult, while in fact it’s a rather practical religion. Social failure is so hard for many Muslims to swallow because Islam guarantees prosperity and justice. Conspiracy theories rationalize this failure by placing the blame apart from Muslims themselves and safeguarding the necessary connection between Islam and earthly success. Coupled with the real threats outsiders have posed, the theories seem reasonable to many Muslims.

This worldview, importantly, is not unique to radical Islamists. I spent a year studying the Muslim community of Mauritius, an island-nation in the Indian Ocean. I spoke to many liberal Muslims there, people who worked to create Mauritius’s effective and inspiring multicultural democracy. They often introduced conspiracy theories to explain away perceived Muslim failings.

All of this makes it difficult for Obama to speak directly to Muslims without them twisting his words and motivations into an American plot to destroy or at least dampen their communities and faith.

Success in the war on terror – the day when radical Islamism has no access to significant power – requires mainstream Muslims to combat that ideology aggressively. But that won’t happen until they perceive US foreign policy to be less threatening than radical Islamism. The problem, however, is not entirely one of perception and psychology, because American foreign policy has, in fact, buttressed corrupt leaders and waged numerous wars (just and unjust) in the Muslim world.

Obama’s diplomatic goals for the Muslim street ought to be humble and long term. He should strive to make it more difficult and less reasonable, from the Muslim perspective, to blame their difficulties on America (and Israel). His message will neither escape nor break the conspiracy filter. Yet some headway on both fronts is possible. This requires altering policies and rhetoric – without sacrificing American security.

On the policy front, he is constrained by the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but when he reiterates to Muslims on June 4 that America is not opposed to Islam, he ought to back that up with something real. One bold step would be a pledge of US funding for many poor Muslims to go on hajj (pilgrimage) to Mecca, one of their religious obligations. This would astonish the Muslim world.

Such proposals might enable Muslims to trust America a bit more, and begin to realize that their problem is endemic corruption and lack of education, rather than America or the Jews.

This process of gaining Muslims’ trust will be exceedingly difficult, in large part because conspiracy theories are in the Muslim cultural DNA. Nevertheless, American security demands that we court mainstream Muslims successfully, so they can feel secure enough to begin the process of dismantling radical Islamism.

Jacob Bronsther, a law student at New York University, writes for . As a Fulbright Scholar, he spent a year studying the Muslim community of Mauritius.

8 months ago

mostly drivel suitcaseman, with sweeping generalisations and lack of historical depth i.e

the recent attempted colonisation of the middle east affects both Muslim and Jew. The re-rise of fascists, both muslim and jew, and extreme nationalism funded by the likes of the UK and their brothers in the USA occurred almost simultaneously.

Herzels fascism affectsmiddle-eastern Jews to this day
Al-bana’s fascism affects middle-eastern Muslims

Dont ever forget the facist underground employed by the CIA and MI6 post-WW2 in order to combat the ‘commie threat’ of the 50s – 80s.

All extreme nationalists emerging during the beginning of the 20th Century which are continuing to exist today.

So, suitcaseman, i am saying that you must examine how fascist groups of muslim, christian, hindu and jewish background are hiding behind the modern progressive believers of each religion and spreading lies about them.

Bronsthers conclusion ‘gaining muslims trust’ is ignorant and generalising.

He is a racist fucktard who shouldnt be posted yet you yourself suitcaseman are one and the same, arent you.

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7 months ago

I don’t know what you are talking about.

The reason I posted the two articles, which concern 9/11, was to show how President Obama is handling the 9/11 issue. That was the only point. First, that he wants to change to military system of tribunals, by allowing 9/11 defendants to plead guilty. One I thought it was interesting that military tribunals do not allow defendants to plead guilty, and second that Obama is going to change that. I was just showing that Obama had to pick a way to deal with 9/11, and he chose to join the we cannot tolerate conspiracy theories about 9/11 crowd.

7 months ago

zark if you think al-bana was a fascist you’re a retard

7 months ago

suitcaseman — what a pathetic excuse.
The article occassionally mentions Obama or 9/11 while ranting racist crap.

Amazing how fucktard Bronsthers tries to link DNA and a religion


7 months ago

notnada —-you dont know what your talking about. nah nah na naaaa narrrr

Muslim Brotherhood /Nazis


7 months ago

Another tactic they are using is linking Holocaust Deniers to 911 Truthers, when one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Although it is true that many Arabs suspect the Mossad had a big hand in the attacks of September 2001, and there is evidence that they participated in some fashion, blaming the Mossad for 911 is wrong, because the Mossad is a false sponsor.

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7 months ago


Central Florida 911 Truth Activist to Appear on the Alex Jones Show

Confirmation has been received that Central Florida 911 truth
activist Gregory Hoover will be making an appearance [today] (June 16th,
2009) on the Alex Jones Show to discuss his pending defamation litigation
against Glenn Beck and Fox News as a result of Beck’s having referred
to 9/11 truth activists as “anarchist,” “terrorists” and as
persons denying the Holocaust.

The 1/2 hour interview is expected to air between 2:00 p.m. and 2:30
p.m. Central Time, being 3:00 p.m. to 3:30 p.m. Eastern Time.

The shows website provides web- links for locating affiliate stations
in your area.

Hopefully all 9-11 truth advocates and activists will be able to
listen in.

Now is the time for us to join forces and do our part in the battle
for 9/11 truth.

The soon to be filed federal defamation case against Glenn Beck needs
our support.

Donate today to the Hoover vs. Beck legal fund so that Hoover may build
what he has described the “legal dream team needed to back Beck off of
those seeking to get the word out about the truth behind 9/11.” The
official site for contributing to the legal fund is:

7 months ago

zark you are a fucking idiot. Do you have any piece of evidence besides john loftus’ blatant disinformation piece?

In short do you have any credible evidence that albana was a fascist?

It absolutely does not make sense, if you look at his actions he was sometimes a monarchist and sometimes a democrat, but he wasn’t a fascist.

In fact there is zero link whatsoever between al-bana/the guidance council and the third reich.

Actually most of the evidence points to the MB being british intelligence assets, but the vast majority of evidence shows the MB acting in its’ own self-interest.

In fact if you look at its history it needed suez canal money to get started, it was founded IN ismailiyah the single most important piece of real estate in terms of geopolitical control over the suez, they lobbied AGAINST nationalist movements. Their actions seem to usually benefit british foreign policy as far as the facts are concerned.

Where are your facts???

Oh yah, you don’t have facts, you regurgitate internet rumors, like 90% of the people in this thread, you don’t know shit, you just like pretending you do. Performing your superiority.

7 months ago

Journalist Richard Wolffe claims Obama rejects 9/11 conspiracies, doesn’t have the slightest doubt; Al Qaeda is the enemy.

Richard Wolffe is an author, journalist and political analyst who is a frequent guest on many MSNBC political shows. His recent book, Renegade: The Making of a President, is a political biography of Barack Obama based on his experience covering the entire presidential campaign for Newsweek.

He appeared on Michael Medved’s radio show on June 10, 2009 to share his impressions and analysis of President Obama. I decided to weigh in on what Wolffe alleges to be Obama’s biggest weakness, his over-confidence, while attempting to make a quick reference to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth ( ).

With Obama recently telling the people of the world, including, of course, thousands of 9/11 victims’ family members, to stop questioning the nature of the 9/11 attacks and to reject what their eyes, physical intuition and multitudes of scientists and professionals know to be the case about how WTC 1, 2 and 7 came down, hypocritical and anti-scientific over-confidence is, apparently, the official modus operandi of the White House.

Michael Medved: Let’s go to Jeremy, in Los Angeles, you’re on the Medved Show with Richard Wolffe.

Jeremy Rothe-Kushel: I wonder if Mr. Obama, and also, in this case, Mr. Wolfe, are both over-confident in terms of President Obama’s skills at communicating with the Muslim world and, in this case, even the American people around issues of war and peace, and truth and lies. Because at the very same time as he was in Cairo decrying violent extremism and attacks on innocent people on 9/11, his orders continued to remain to drop bombs on the heads of, inevitably, on little children the age of his beautiful little girls.

So, you know, at the same time as he admitted that the CIA-driven conspiracy in Iran in 1953 was history, as we all have known for a long time, he’s also telling people to stop questioning 9/11. So, at that point, he’s talking to the victims’ family members in this country, thousands of them, who still have their questions unanswered.

And last point I’d like to ask a question about is how is this administration that talked about restoring science to its rightful place going to deal with the growing numbers of building professionals, Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, who point out the physical facts of how those buildings were—

Michael Medved: Ohh, thanks, thanks very much for the plug Jeremy. Ok Mr. Wolffe?

Richard Wolffe: Well, there’s a lot of things there, but let me just deal with the Muslim piece of it. Yeah there’s a contradictory message in there, but that takes us back to one of the earlier callers. Making an apology for certain things that America has done is also coupled with a very tough national security posture which, yes, involves the killings of civilians, sadly, in Afghanistan. He has been very serious about beefing up the military operation in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and—

MM: There’s no doubt. You’ve spent a great deal of time around President Obama, and I think this is where Jeremy was going- does President Obama have the slightest doubt that the 19 hijackers were responsible, under the guidance of Al Qaeda, for the murders of 9/11?

RW: No he doesn’t have the slightest doubt; Al Qaeda is the enemy. His argument all along with Iraq was that it diverted us from the real battle against Al Qaeda. He’s very serious about taking them on.

MM; Uhuh. And probably about as much patience as most of us have with the so-called 9/11 truthers?

RW: Uh, he has no tolerance for the craziness and conspiracies that have been directed at him and everybody else. No, he has been as clear as he possibly could be.

MM: Alright. We will be right back with Richard Wolfe, author of Renegade. He had unprecedented access, throughout the entire campaign, to Barack Obama. And, of course, he’s also had a great view of the presidency so far. We’ll be right back…

7 months ago

7 months ago

9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public

Kurt Sonnenfeld and unidentified search and rescue specialist in subterranean void beneath Ground Zero.

As official videographer for the U.S. government, Kurt Sonnenfeld was detailed to Ground Zero on September 11, 2001, where he spent one month filming 29 tapes: “What I saw at certain moments and in certain places … is very disturbing!” He never handed them over to the authorities and has been persecuted ever since. Kurt Sonnenfeld lives in exile in Argentina, where he wrote “El Perseguido” (the persecuted). His recently-published book tells the story of his unending nightmare and drives another nail into the coffin of the government’s account of the 9/11 events.

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5 months ago

5 months ago

So, if I’m to understand the gist, you’re all saying “Jews did it”?

4 months ago

4 months ago

Explosive Theory

Eight years after 9/11, a growing organization of building trades professionals suspect that there was more to the event than the government will admit

4 months ago

I think that this 911 denial stuff and the “Bush blew up the WTC and Cheney in a bunker commanding the operation” stuff is a lifelong activity. No passage in time can scratch the itch for those you have been bitten by the Conspiracy. The first generation’s grandkids will over hear the conversation and wonder what it was all about. They’ll google it on the internet and they’ll see both sides of the debate. And on and on it will go. It will take 100 years to fizzle out.

4 months ago

A discussion of serious questions surrounding the 9/11 WTC project indicates the motive to be ‘False Flag Terrorism’. May we never forget!!

While reading an article of George Monbiot’s, I became aware of his use of sarcasm, put-downs and a trend towards marginalization as his main method to counter the many who dare to question the “the White House version” of events around the 9/11 World Trade Centre project.
Some points that are not mentioned by Monbiot and yet are questioned by those who have taken the time to do some investigation and research into the 9/11 WTC project are as follows:

1.) The White House claims it had no prior knowledge of an air strike planned for the WTC towers. However, Israeli, German, Russian intelligence and a jailed American agent in Canada admitted to giving prior warnings to the American Intelligence department. Why were these numerous and valid warnings ignored?

2.) The CIA tracks incidents of unusual stock trading about the global markets. There was an increase of 600 per cent in put options placed on American and United Airlines just five days prior to the 9/11 WTC project…indicating prior knowledge and possible complicity. Yet, no stock traders have been held to task, interrogated and convicted. Why not??

3.) The Bin Laden theory was placed immediately before the public via the television and newspapers…yet, the fourteen members/relatives of the Bin Laden family that were residing in the United States were flown out of the US under national security, meanwhile no Americans were allowed to use the friendly skies to complete their own personal or business affairs. Why, if the Bin Laden conspiracy theory were true,were the Bin Laden family members and friends not held and questioned/interrogated as to Bin Laden’s where-abouts…as he had recently attended a family wedding in the Middle East?

4.) Regarding the theory that the three buildings of the World Trade Centre came down due to being hit by American and United Airlines planes…ie: the burning fuel heat supposedly caused the steel beams to collapse.
Firstly, the construction manager of the World Trade Centre was interviewed on television. He stated that the towers were “constructed to take multiple hits from incoming airlines…just like pencils being stuck into a screen door”.
Secondly, demolition experts were reported to laughingly reply that if buildings could be brought down so easily and perfectly by airplanes …there would be no need for demolition teams to use electronically detonated explosives.
Thirdly, three firemen were quoted on camera describing how they witnessed the twin towers (buildings five and six) coming down while explosions were going off, “boom, boom, boom” ,floor by floor…“just like in a demolition”.
Fourthly, Larry Silverstein (the lease owner of the World Trade Centre) was asked in a television interview just how it was that WTC building number seven which was not hit by any plane, also happened to completely implode (as buildings do when being demolished by electronically set explosives), Mr. Silverstein replied that “due to fire damage we decided to ‘pull it’”. Now Mr. Silverstein used the term ‘Pull It’ which is lingo for ‘immediately demolish a building by electronically detonating pre-set explosives’. The interviewed firefighters also reported on camera that they were told around 3 pm to vacate building seven because it was going to be demolished or ‘pulled”... which was the case around 5pm.
The point here is that the electronic detonators and explosives would of necessarily been wired up weeks before the actual WTC 9/11 project. Demoliton experts do not go into burning buildings to set up intricate explosive networks.
The final overlooked and ignored point regarding the collapse of these buildings is that source Kevin Ryan (an engineer who works in the field of steel constructed buiding technology) states that no steel structured building throughout the world has ever collapsed due to fire heat. HIs assertion is that the heat of airplane fuel is not enough to bend steel. Yet, we are faced with the outrageous theory put forth by the White House that all three WTC buildings imploded perfectly and were dramatically demolished by airplane fuel heat… without any electronic detonation team expertise.
Instead we are also told, a few poorly trained Cessna flight school students (who incidently were under the eye of the FBI for quite some time and yet somehow dodged the FBI surveillance at the crucial time period) somehow forget their Al Qaeda handbooks in their vehicles at the airport and then during the flight overcome a handful of passengers and flight attendents with some box-cutters, and proceed to maneuver these huge airplanes with the skill of a trained pilot into two tall World Trade Centre buildings at top speed!!

5.) ‘Al Qaeda’ is a creation of the Central Intelligence Agency. Prior to September 11, 2001, reports revealed that when Al Qaeda members without proper visa and travel documentation were detained at the US borders, CIA and FBI agents were sent to usher them through. Al Qaeda members unknowingly had FBI agents as landlords. Al Qaeda members were unknowingly under the auspices of the Pakistan Intelligence is an ally of American Intelligence…Pakistan Intelligence would also take its directives from the CIA. On the day prior to and during the World Trade Centre project the head of Pakistani Intelligence was meeting with the head of US Central Intelligence. A member of Pakistani Intelligence was found to have been the ‘money-man’ who wired one hundred thousand dollars to Mohammed Atta (one of the supposed Al Qaeda members involved with the WTC project). If Al Qaeda is monitored, infiltrated, funded and directed by Pakistan and American Intelligence agents then just what is going on??

6.) The New York/Pentagon region is the most thoroughly protected airspace on the planet. Billions of tax dollars support an intricate network of airforce bases and their air protection technology. Under American Federal Flight Regulations jet fighters must immediately be scrambled (sent out to reinforce security) when any air flight is not responding to flight tower procedures and queries. Years earlier, airforce jet fighters were sent out and within twelve minutes located and grounded golf-pro Payne Stewart’s jet because everyone aboard had died of asphyxiation and the jet was suddenly a flyiing threat and danger. So, the point here is “where were the airforce jet fighters?” We are supposed to believe that the most thoroughly protected airspace on the planet was having a ‘bad hair day’! We even find that the commander of the region’s airforce received a promotion, not a dismissal, for his service during the 9/11 WTC project.
Another amazing coincidence is that on the morning of the 9/11 WTC project, under the auspices of Dick Cheney, the airforce of the entire region is performing a mock terrorist drill involving a hijacked airplane!!! The US airforce is coincidentally unable to distinquish between real and mock events?!

7.) A more recent phenomenon of the “unofficial investigation” is that evidence of ‘thermate’ had been found at the base of the WTC towers. By a kind of chemical reaction Thermate is used to melt through steel support beams. There is a team of experts in this field performing their own research and investigation. Their findings are also ‘coincidentally’ ignored by mainstream press.

8.) We are told by Monbiot to ignore the basement janitor of the WTC who saw, heard, and felt the blasts of explosions in the basement level of his particuliar twin tower. The basement janitor claims these explosions were separate and unrelated to the plane hitting the tower above. There are websites which show the seismic readings on the morning of the World Trade Centre project…corroborating these statements by the janitor. These readings indicate a series of explosions occurred after the towers were hit by the airplanes. These are not spoken of in the ‘official 9/11 commission’s report”. We are told to ignore the firemen because they are not ‘experts’. And we are told to ignore Kevin Ryan’s expertise in his field of work.
Much is ignored in Monbiot’s article, yet we are expected to believe the ‘official version of 9/11’ which involves believing a whole series of inexplicable coincidences. So, who has the most outrageous conspiracy theory…the White House or those hundreds of thousands of citizens who continue to question and investigate?

Yes, Monbiot has an important point that the Bush government is not being held accountable for many distrastrous policies…global warming is unavoidably going to bring havoc to the entire globe; the unforgiveable use of depleted and non-depleted uranium in the missile tips used throughout the Middle East wars-for-oil-supremacy; the allowing of US Administration to use known falsified evidence in order to manufacture the consent of the US public to war on Iraq; to minimize environmental standuards in the US resulting in further contamination of soil, air and water; and of course the increasing gap between the few rich and the expanding numbers of poor Americans.

However, let us not go so far as to blame those many hundreds of thousands of sincere truth seekers of using the search for truth regarding the 9/11 WTC project as an excuse to avoid social action in other important areas of concern. For if the WTC project was a false flag terror op used to garner the support of the American public to support the Middle Eastern wars for supremacy in the oil industry…then that would be worth knowing would it not?

As far as the argument goes that the project ‘must have involved thousands of people if the US Administration was complicit’...and how come none of these people have spoken up…My guess is that loss of career, assassination, threat, and financial ruin are generally enough for most people to remain silent. Reports of firemen, FBI and CIA agents being muzzled are there for those who investigate. Mysterious deaths are hard to link up without well supported investigations. When the political will is not in support of proper investigation … complicity is suggested.

A friend recently suggested that “motive” must be considered in the case of the WTC 9/11 project.

a) A year prior to the WTC project the American Administration was in negotition with the Afghani Taliban to build an oil pipeline from the Caspian Oil region through Afghanistan to the coast. The Taliban refused the terms and the oilagarchs said “its either a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs”. Besides being the largest producer of the multi-billion dollar opium/heroin industry, Afghanistan (now under corporate American control) has built the oil pipeline which transfers billions of dollars worth of crude yearly.

b) Besides the controlling the profits of the global opium/heroine drug trade, these corporate executives grant their own affiliated corporations the billion dollar weapons/war contracts. See any motive yet?

c) Dick Cheney is a former corporate executive on the payroll of Halliburton Co. which is now receiving uncontested multi-million dollar contracts in the axis-of-oil region of Afghanistan and Iraq.

d) The Bush family is still a large shareholder in the Carlisle Group, which is a large conglomerate dealing in the oil industry as well as the weapons manufacturing industry. The Bin Laden family also was a large shareholder until surprisingly they pulled out immediately after the events of September 11, 2001.

e) ‘A never-ending war on terror’ means a never-ending wave of profits for those corporate executives and their affiliates who are addicted to the spoils of war.

f) And finally, we are told by the White House that the reason the Al Qaeda supposedly took out the WTC buildings was because “they don’t like us in the free world”. Meanwhile, Afghanistan and Iraq are pummelled by radio-active tipped missiles that seem to serve the motives of corporate politicians rather than an angry Saudi on kidney dialisis held up in some cave in Afghanistan.

Sincerely Deeperpolitics

I have included some reading and viewing material below:

See New video version of Zeitgeist which discusses some of the above material: source

Read about and understand “false_flag_terrorism“

See the history of the Dupont weapons/industrialist_complex

The history of neo-fascism_in_the_UnitedStates

2 months ago

2 months ago

I’ve archived this thread, and will be publishing it as a book. Do not worry I will use the money on coke and hookers, and anthony/whatshisname will get none of it.

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