Sunday, December 6, 2009

Railway Blast in Russia's Dagestan: Officials

Railway Blast in Russia's Dagestan: Officials

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:58:45 -0600
R406810
5 days ago
microdot

Russian express train blast almost hit second train

The bomb that detonated on a rail track as an express train was passing last week could have derailed two trains if the Nevsky Express hadn’t been running a minute late, a Russian emergencies official has said.

The train travelling from Moscow to St. Petersburg was partially derailed by the blast on November 29.

“Things could have been much worse. At that moment, two trains were to pass by each other – the Nevsky Express and the ER-200. The Nevsky Express was one minute late, or three kilometers off, given its speed,” Leonid Belyayev of the St. Petersburg emergencies department said on Wednesday.

“If the two trains had met, the tragedy could have been worse,” Belyaev said.

Investigators have said Friday’s attack, which also injured over 90, bore the hallmarks of Islamist terrorism.


R406811
5 days ago
microdot

I gotta tell ya, it doesn’t seem Islamist to me at all. The logistics involved seem incredibly post modern.

Needless to say, and I know you guys laugh when I say this, but I’m going to anyway.

It stinks of Blackwater.

As Jeremy so succinctly put it:

Cofer Black, when he was head of the CIA’s counterterrorism center, said, shortly after Blackwater started working for the CIA, that they had killed thousands of people and that they either killed or detained thousands of people as part of their covert program. Blackwater is alleged to have been working under the CIA’s paramilitary assassination program.

I think that before we go off to the races with declarations about how programs of this nature didn’t work, let’s remember one very important fact. These guys are former Navy Seals. They are the most sophisticated, highly trained operatives in the US military. That was the bonus of hiring Erik Prince. You are getting, off the books, off the map, unknown, plausibly deniable paramilitary operatives, who were the most seasoned veterans of US covert operations . . .


R406812
5 days ago
microdot

Anyone who’s ever lived in a Muslim culture will know, without a shadow of a doubt, that this ain’t “Islamists”.

If you think it is, your playbook is coming from Corporate Media Campaigns, not Muslim culture itself — or Muslim history — Chechnya’s inept resistance to Russian rule over the centuries notwithstanding. We’re just not talking about that level of duplicity and competence. Maybe they’re being used — diddled — that’d be a credibly analysis. Sure.


R406813
5 days ago
microdot

Run a half-dozen scenarios, fine. But don’t forget to run the Blackwater scenario. And keep running it. If you don’t look for it, you won’t see it.


R406814
5 days ago
Disenchanted

Maybe they were Vlad’s boys not Eric’s?


R406821
5 days ago
SunTzu

zbiggy’s?

Actually they may have been Vlad’s – because Zbiggy (or even eric) bombing Russian trains would be a very very dangerous game, and despite thier rhetoric, not one I suspect the MIC are stupid enough to risk playing. Not yet anyway

Proxy attacks outside the borders or on the edges – ok – a recognised action within the ‘rules’ of the game

Direct attacks within Russia proper – not so ok – Russians have nukes, and you CAN NOT risk direct confrontation. Bombing the Nevsky express is a direct challenge to the ruling clique. One they cannot afford NOT to respond to.

Possibly it’s Middle-east related –

Eric or Zbiggy if they are responsible for this, are likely to soon end up with a bullet between the ears, fired by thier own side


R406822
5 days ago
SunTzu

Possibly a message from the Berezovsky/Khodorkovsky/Rothschild axis?

Actually the more i think about it, the ‘Berezovsky/Khodorkovsky/Rothschild-axis’=Zbiggy

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R406823
5 days ago
SunTzu

Of course putting Eric up to it would give the USMIC some plausible deniability – but I still suspect they’d still have to wipe Eric’s clock as reparation to appease the Russians.

Maybe Erics already annoyed too many in Washington and he’s being setup? Maybe someone asked him to do this knowing the consequences?


R406881
4 days ago
microdot

The United States Military Industrial Complex has HAARP. You think that’s the most sophisticated thing they have? Plus: they’re nuts. Think how incredible that 9/11 scam is. Evidence suggests they sent a cruise missile through the pentagon ffs.

They collapsed building 7 and pretended NOTHING happened.


R406893
4 days ago
SunTzu

Plus: they’re nuts.

No they just managed to convince everyone that they are. There’s a fairly clear rationale to everything that they do. Walk loudly and carry a big stick. In fact you seem pretty good at figuring out the rationale in many of their seemingly mad actions.

At the end of the day they still got to inhabit the very same planet that the rest of us do. They haven’t perfected better than light-speed inter-stellar travel yet, and untill they do they’re unlikely to get down to all-out, balls-to-the-wall Big-red-button pushing.

They collapsed building 7 and pretended NOTHING happened.

Yeah, cos people are F’n stupid as fuck. Sheep

Look at the Global Warming Climate Change Threat to the Biosphere (ONEoneONE) scam. The idiots have been caught red-handed and there’s STILL a bunch of Chicken-fuckers arguing for the ‘validity of the ‘science’‘

How fuckin retarded can ya get? It doesn’t get more moronic than that really. Compared to that, Building 7 was a walk in the park

The Big Lie – Ol’ Adolph knew what he was talking about in that regard if nothing else.


R406896
4 days ago
SunTzu

Evidence suggests they sent a cruise missile through the pentagon ffs.

I know!!!

the fuckin BALLS on those guys!!!

Ya gotta hand it to ‘em. Took out the dept that was investigating their stealing a couple of Trillion Dollars too! (That’s TRILLION: with TWELVE Zeros!!) And no one blinked – haahahahahahaha – BIG fuckin BALLS – we’re talking Wheelbarrow proportions here.

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R406936
4 days ago
microdot

Re. “they’re nuts” and “No they just managed to convince everyone that they are. There’s a fairly clear rationale to everything that they do.”

Psychopaths are famous for their clear rationales.


R406937
4 days ago
microdot

The trillion dollars was a press release. So was Obama’s latest $734 B US. They don’t have it. They ain’t spending. They haven’t been spending it — or the pomo economies would be rolling in it.


R406942
3 days ago
caseclassic

Matviyenko confirms deaths of two high-ranking federal officials intrain crash
Quote ST. PETERSBURG. Nov 28 (Interfax) – St. Petersburg Governor
Valentina Matviyenko officially confirmed that Sergei Tarasov, the board
chairman of the Russian Federal Road Agency (Rosavtodor) and a former
Federation Council member representing St. Petersburg, and Russian
Federal Reserve Agency (Rosreserve) chief Boris Yevstratikov were killed
in the crash of the Nevsky Express train on the evening of November 27. “Sergei Borisovich [Tarasov] was killed on the spot, and his body
was found later. In addition, the death of Rosreserve chief Boris
Yevstratikov has also been confirmed,” Matviyenko told journalists. Matviyenko expressed her condolences to Tarasov’s and
Yevstratikov’s relatives and beloved ones. “This is our common pain and
common loss,” she said.

The chances of such people being killed in a random terror incident is pretty remote – hinting more to a targeted killing by either Jewish factions or those opposed to them, depending on what side these bankers were working for….

However, Putin controls the instrument of state so it is less needful to conduct such an operation – which means that Jews are the primary suspects.

Killing innocent people is just a Jewish way of showing off their bravery and skill at hitting their primary targets.


R406952
3 days ago
SunTzu

The trillion dollars was a press release. So was Obama’s latest $734 B US. They don’t have it. They ain’t spending. They haven’t been spending it — or the pomo economies would be rolling in it.

you must have slept through the nineties, Dotty. They spent it alright. Where do you think the funding for all their black-ops, coups and secret weapons projects came from?

Are you saying the take-down of the Dept investigating the theft was a mere coinydink? If that’s how people view this, it’s no wonder they were able to pull it off. Looks like fooling people is much easier than I previously thought

Psychopaths are famous for their clear rationales.

peoples insistence that the ruling clique are ‘psychopaths’ is just their way of making themselves feel like better, morally superior individuals. The ruling clique really ain’t that much different to the rest of us.

Cut the food supply and you’ll rapidly see how much of the human population is perfectly capable of behaving in the exact same manner as what you and others like to call ‘psychopaths’. You like to call them psychopaths because they behave in this manner even though the food supply is plentiful

I understand it makes you feel better about yourselves, but it doesn’t in any useful way increase your understanding of the the problem.

Read this – 1984 Part 2, Chapter 9

THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF OLIGARCHICAL COLLECTIVISM
by Emmanuel Goldstein

Winston began reading:

Chapter I

Ignorance is Strength . . . .

Written 60 yrs ago, it’s and almost EXACT description of what you call ‘Po-Mo Capitalism’

Post Modified: 12/03/09 13:15:07

R406957
3 days ago
microdot

It does rather look like a Mafia Hit

OPEN QUOTE

The Federal Road Agency (Rosavtodor) of the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation is a federal executive body in charge of rendering state services in management of state property in the sphere of motor transport and road facilities, including management of federal motor roads. The field of Rosavtodor’s competence also includes performing the functions of the state customer of federal goal-oriented, scientific-and-technical and innovation programs and projects in certain lines of activity. Federal Highway Agency is a state body responsible for initiating of special federal, scientific and technical and innovation programs and projects including the “Highways” subordinate program of the “Modernization of Russian highway system (years 2002-2010)” program.

Russia’s Transport Ministry, that generally advocates revival of road funds, has been long concerned with money shortage in the road industry, blaming all road misfortunes on it. In 2006 Oleg Belozerov, head of the Federal Road Agency, said that Russia needed to spend between 600 billion rubles and 800 billion per year to maintain and build roads. Belozerov’s figures were much higher than those he gave at a briefing in September 2005, when he said Russia needed at least 400 billion rubles per year to develop its roads infrastructure. He said then that the government was on track to spend 131 billion rubles in 2005. A total of 250 billion rubles (close to $9 billion) in budget funds was spent on roads in 2005, a spokesman for the ministry said Friday.

$9 Billion FY2005

In February 2008 Vladimir Putin admitted the administrative reform had been a failure. “The Cabinet’s structure created over the past four years has not functioned properly,” Putin said at his last news conference as Russia’s president. In recent days, Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev, the candidate for the presidency, had announced new ideas on how to improve the government’s structure.

END OF QUOTE


R406958
3 days ago
microdot

In the 90s, Sven, there were still people in the US government who could read and write.


R406959
3 days ago
microdot

A psychopath is someone without a conscience Sven.

Think about what these GWoT people have been doing and are continuing to do.

The 9/11 PR stunts have been beaten into the ground but. What kind of people pulls off a stunt like that so they can create an excuse, that doesn’t even logically follow, AT ALL. to invade a country on the other side of the planet so they can steal all their stuff?

You wouldn’t call that kind of mind psychopathic?

They convicted Jose Padilla on the strength of a cell phone conversation that someone he knew had had with someone else about a cheese sandwich ffs.

What’s wrong with that picture? This is not a toy — or some kind of game show. Something is SERIOUSLY wrong.

Why you think my having to come to grips with this realization about everything my country represents would make me feel better is beyond moi.


R406961
3 days ago
SunTzu

You really should read Chapter 9, Dotty.

Post Modified: 12/03/09 13:27:57

R406962
3 days ago
microdot

The people who voluntarily enlisted to go to Iraq and Afghanistan were disproportionately middle to upper class white boys who grew up playing shooter games and wanted to know what it felt like to kill real people — with impunity.

And, furthermore . . .

I’d say there’s a good chance the US military has been used as a hazing ground and people who proved themselves in that venue subsequently got promoted to mercenary gigs where the pay is reputedly much better and you don’t have to worry about some well meaning bugger blowing the whistle on you.


R406964
3 days ago
SunTzu

You really should read Chapter 9, Dotty.

Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibrium, however far it is pushed one way or the other.

The aims of these groups are entirely irreconcilable…


R406965
3 days ago
SunTzu

In one combination or another, these three super-states are permanently at war, and have been so for the past twenty-five years. War, however, is no longer the desperate, annihilating struggle that it was in the early decades of the twentieth century. It is a warfare of limited aims between combatants who are unable to destroy one another, have no material cause for fighting and are not divided by any genuine ideological difference. This is not to say that either the conduct of war, or the prevailing attitude towards it, has become less bloodthirsty or more chivalrous. On the contrary, war hysteria is continuous and universal in all countries, and such acts as raping, looting, the slaughter of children, the reduction of whole populations to slavery, and reprisals against prisoners which extend even to boiling and burying alive, are looked upon as normal, and, when they are committed by one’s own side and not by the enemy, meritorious. But in a physical sense war involves very small numbers of people, mostly highly-trained specialists, and causes comparatively few casualties. The fighting, when there is any, takes place on the vague frontiers whose whereabouts the average man can only guess at, or round the Floating Fortresses which guard strategic spots on the sea lanes. In the centres of civilization war means no more than a continuous shortage of consumption goods, and the occasional crash of a rocket bomb which may cause a few scores of deaths. War has in fact changed its character. More exactly, the reasons for which war is waged have changed in their order of importance. Motives which were already present to some small extent in the great wars of the early twentieth century have now become dominant and are consciously recognized and acted upon.


R406966
3 days ago
SunTzu

. . . . All of the disputed territories contain valuable minerals, and some of them yield important vegetable products such as rubber which in colder climates it is necessary to synthesize by comparatively expensive methods. But above all they contain a bottomless reserve of cheap labour. Whichever power controls equatorial Africa, or the countries of the Middle East, or Southern India, or the Indonesian Archipelago, disposes also of the bodies of scores or hundreds of millions of ill-paid and hard-working coolies. The inhabitants of these areas, reduced more or less openly to the status of slaves, pass continually from conqueror to conqueror, and are expended like so much coal or oil in the race to turn out more armaments, to capture more territory, to control more labour power, to turn out more armaments, to capture more territory, and so on indefinitely. It should be noted that the fighting never really moves beyond the edges of the disputed areas. The frontiers of Eurasia flow back and forth between the basin of the Congo and the northern shore of the Mediterranean; the islands of the Indian Ocean and the Pacific are constantly being captured and recaptured by Oceania or by Eastasia; in Mongolia the dividing line between Eurasia and Eastasia is never stable; round the Pole all three powers lay claim to enormous territories which in fact are largely unihabited and unexplored: but the balance of power always remains roughly even, and the territory which forms the heartland of each super-state always remains inviolate. Moreover, the labour of the exploited peoples round the Equator is not really necessary to the world’s economy. They add nothing to the wealth of the world, since whatever they produce is used for purposes of war, and the object of waging a war is always to be in a better position in which to wage another war. By their labour the slave populations allow the tempo of continuous warfare to be speeded up. But if they did not exist, the structure of world society, and the process by which it maintains itself, would not be essentially different. . . . .


R406967
3 days ago
SunTzu

The primary aim of modern warfare (in accordance with the principles of doublethink, this aim is simultaneously recognized and not recognized by the directing brains of the Inner Party) is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living. Ever since the end of the nineteenth century, the problem of what to do with the surplus of consumption goods has been latent in industrial society. At present, when few human beings even have enough to eat, this problem is obviously not urgent, and it might not have become so, even if no artificial processes of destruction had been at work. The world of today is a bare, hungry, dilapidated place compared with the world that existed before 1914, and still more so if compared with the imaginary future to which the people of that period looked forward. In the early twentieth century, the vision of a future society unbelievably rich, leisured, orderly, and efficient — a glittering antiseptic world of glass and steel and snow-white concrete — was part of the consciousness of nearly every literate person. Science and technology were developing at a prodigious speed, and it seemed natural to assume that they would go on developing. This failed to happen, partly because of the impoverishment caused by a long series of wars and revolutions, partly because scientific and technical progress depended on the empirical habit of thought, which could not survive in a strictly regimented society. As a whole the world is more primitive today than it was fifty years ago. Certain backward areas have advanced, and various devices, always in some way connected with warfare and police espionage, have been developed, but experiment and invention have largely stopped, and the ravages of the atomic war of the nineteen-fifties have never been fully repaired. Nevertheless the dangers inherent in the machine are still there. From the moment when the machine first made its appearance it was clear to all thinking people that the need for human drudgery, and therefore to a great extent for human inequality, had disappeared. If the machine were used deliberately for that end, hunger, overwork, dirt, illiteracy, and disease could be eliminated within a few generations. And in fact, without being used for any such purpose, but by a sort of automatic process — by producing wealth which it was sometimes impossible not to distribute — the machine did raise the living standards of the average human being very greatly over a period of about fifty years at the end of the nineteenth and the beginning of the twentieth centuries.

But it was also clear that an all-round increase in wealth threatened the destruction — indeed, in some sense was the destruction — of a hierarchical society. In a world in which everyone worked short hours, had enough to eat, lived in a house with a bathroom and a refrigerator, and possessed a motor-car or even an aeroplane, the most obvious and perhaps the most important form of inequality would already have disappeared. If it once became general, wealth would confer no distinction. It was possible, no doubt, to imagine a society in which wealth, in the sense of personal possessions and luxuries, should be evenly distributed, while power remained in the hands of a small privileged caste. But in practice such a society could not long remain stable. For if leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great mass of human beings who are normally stupefied by poverty would become literate and would learn to think for themselves; and when once they had done this, they would sooner or later realize that the privileged minority had no function, and they would sweep it away. In the long run, a hierarchical society was only possible on a basis of poverty and ignorance. To return to the agricultural past, as some thinkers about the beginning of the twentieth century dreamed of doing, was not a practicable solution. It conflicted with the tendency towards mechanization which had become quasi-instinctive throughout almost the whole world, and moreover, any country which remained industrially backward was helpless in a military sense and was bound to be dominated, directly or indirectly, by its more advanced rivals.

Nor was it a satisfactory solution to keep the masses in poverty by restricting the output of goods. This happened to a great extent during the final phase of capitalism, roughly between 1920 and 1940. The economy of many countries was allowed to stagnate, land went out of cultivation, capital equipment was not added to, great blocks of the population were prevented from working and kept half alive by State charity. But this, too, entailed military weakness, and since the privations it inflicted were obviously unnecessary, it made opposition inevitable. The problem was how to keep the wheels of industry turning without increasing the real wealth of the world. Goods must be produced, but they must not be distributed. And in practice the only way of achieving this was by continuous warfare.

PoMo economics in a nutshell


R406974
3 days ago
SunTzu

The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent. Even when weapons of war are not actually destroyed, their manufacture is still a convenient way of expending labour power without producing anything that can be consumed. A Floating Fortress, for example, has locked up in it the labour that would build several hundred cargo-ships. Ultimately it is scrapped as obsolete, never having brought any material benefit to anybody, and with further enormous labours another Floating Fortress is built. In principle the war effort is always so planned as to eat up any surplus that might exist after meeting the bare needs of the population. In practice the needs of the population are always underestimated, with the result that there is a chronic shortage of half the necessities of life; but this is looked on as an advantage. It is deliberate policy to keep even the favoured groups somewhere near the brink of hardship, because a general state of scarcity increases the importance of small privileges and thus magnifies the distinction between one group and another. By the standards of the early twentieth century, even a member of the Inner Party lives an austere, laborious kind of life. Nevertheless, the few luxuries that he does enjoy his large, well-appointed flat, the better texture of his clothes, the better quality of his food and drink and tobacco, his two or three servants, his private motor-car or helicopter — set him in a different world from a member of the Outer Party, and the members of the Outer Party have a similar advantage in comparison with the submerged masses whom we call ‘the proles’. The social atmosphere is that of a besieged city, where the possession of a lump of horseflesh makes the difference between wealth and poverty. And at the same time the consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural, unavoidable condition of survival.


R406978
3 days ago
SunTzu

Oh the lulz

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20091201/157054055.html

A police source in the Tver Region told RIA Novosti that police found a house where at least four suspected terrorists had been hiding at the moment of the attack. The investigative department said a jacket, which had letters from a prison inmate in the pockets, was found near the site of the crash.

almost as good as that passport which survived the plane crash into the WTC. Or the London Metropolitan Police’s ‘revelation’ that the 7/7 London bombers scattered their ID, personal effects and bombs around the crowded tube carriages before setting their bombs off

Rest assured that little nugget is going to be filed away in the same memory hole as the revelation earlier this year that the alleged 7/7 bombers supposedly scattered their ID, personal effects and bombs around the crowded tube carriages before setting their bombs off (?!!)

and conspiracy theorists are supposedly mentally unwell because they’re sceptical of official narratives? For fuck’s sake…


R406979
3 days ago
SunTzu

11 killed in Russian military plane crash (Nov 7)
Press TV, Nov 7 2009
All 11 crew members of a Russian military plane have been killed after their plane crashed into water during a training exercise. Last Sunday, an Ilyushin transport plane of the Interior Ministry crashed minutes after takeoff in the region of Yakutia, killing all 11 people on board.

Several blasts hit Russian military depot (Nov 14)
Press TV, Nov 14 2009
At least two people have been killed and dozens injured in a series of explosions at a Russian military arsenal in the Volga region town of Ulyanovsk.

Fresh arms depot blast kills eight in Russia (Nov 24)
Press TV, Nov 24 2009
At least eight Russian soldiers have been killed at an ammunition depot blast only ten days after explosions tore through the same site.

Russia ‘will’ deliver S-300 to Iran in 2 months (Nov 27)
Press TV, Nov 27 2009
Tehran’s envoy to Moscow Sajjadi on Friday rejected reports that Russia had pulled out of the S-300 deal. He told reporters in Moscow:

We had heard reports that Russia would not deliver these systems to Iran, but we asked the Russian side and they denied it. The delivery deadline has already passed, but the Russian side has cited technical problems which it said it was working on to fix. We feel that this question will be resolved within one to two months.

He said neither Iran nor Russia planned to “go back” on the contract, which he said was “profitable” for both sides.

Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant Launch on Track (Nov 27)
Iran News Daily, Nov 27 2009
Russia underlined that the nuclear power plant that it is due to build in Iran’s southern city of Bushehr will start operations at the agreed time. All technical problems have been removed and the construction work is progressing according to schedule, Russian Energy Minister Shmatko said on Friday, ahead of a two-day visit to Tehran to participate in a joint inter-governmental commission. He said the fuel for the power plant has been delivered and Russia has begun testing the equipment in place, Press TV reported.

Resolution adopted by IAEA Board of Governors (Nov 27)
IAEA, Nov 27 2009
Urges Iran to comply fully and without delay with its obligations under the resolutions of the Security Council, and to meet the requirements of the Board of Governors, including by suspending immediately construction at Qom.

Nevsky Express train was blown up (Nov 28)
RIA Novosti, Nov 28 2009
The Nevsky Express train bound for St. Petersburg that got derailed Friday evening killing at least 25 people was blown up, a law enforcement source said Saturday.


R406980
3 days ago
SunTzu

The people who voluntarily enlisted to go to Iraq and Afghanistan were disproportionately middle to upper class white boys who grew up playing shooter games and wanted to know what it felt like to kill real people — with impunity.

I’d say there’s a good chance the US military has been used as a hazing ground and people who proved themselves in that venue subsequently got promoted to mercenary gigs where the pay is reputedly much better and you don’t have to worry about some well meaning bugger blowing the whistle on you.

the Milgram Experiment

The Milgram’s experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience. Milgram first described his research in 1963 in an article published in the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology,[1] and later discussed his findings in greater depth in his 1974 book, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.[2]

The experiments began in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised his psychological study to answer the question: “Was it that Eichmann and his accomplices in the Holocaust had mutual intent, in at least with regard to the goals of the Holocaust?” In other words, “Was there a mutual sense of morality among those involved?”

Milgram’s testing revealed that it could have been that the millions of accomplices were merely following orders, despite violating their deepest moral beliefs.[3] Milgram summarized the experiment in his 1974 article, “The Perils of Obedience”, writing:

The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects’ [participants’] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects’ [participants’] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.

Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.

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R406985
3 days ago
microdot

Are you suggesting that Russia is being attacked because it’s supporting Iran’s right to develop nuclear power?


R406987
3 days ago
SunTzu

Dotty: Are you suggesting that Russia is being attacked because it’s supporting Iran’s right to develop nuclear power?

Moi??

All I’m doing is highlighting the poor state of International Reportage in the Western Media.

How many of those attacks have you seen in reported by the MSM?

Must be due to all the cutbacks in the news-gathering departments . . . . wouldn’t you say?

That would be the correct ‘non-conspiratorial’ party-line, would it not?

After all, I wouldn’t want anyone to mistake me for anything other than a loyal party member. . . . . now would I?

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R407024
3 days ago
microdot

Well. I don’t see ANY reports by the MSM. LOL.

But I think that’s a very interesting thesis about the dynamics of terrorism in Russia. I’d pay a dollar for it in a flash. And it’s not incompatible with the gangsterism thesis either.

It’s almost like they’re using the Iran Doohickey to justify kicking the nationalists, so to speak. When they just want to kick the nationalists. And, what a coincidence, so do Russia’s gangsters. They’re both looking for any excuse to go ballistic.

It’s a marriage made in heaven.


R407025
3 days ago
microdot

The difference between Euro American Gangsters and Russian Gangsters is that Euro American Gangsters own their respective governments.


R407026
3 days ago
microdot

I do, otoh, “see” Press TV’s reports every day. And I didn’t see what you put together.

So don’t sell yourself short.


R407039
2 days ago
SunTzu

Russia’s gangsters

IMO ‘Russian Mafia’ is just a euphemism for ‘Jewish Mafia’


R407111
2 days ago
caseclassic

IMO ‘Russian Mafia’ is just a euphemism for ‘Jewish Mafia’

And Jewish Mafia is just a euphemism for the Federal Reserve and American power politics.


R407112
2 days ago
SunTzu

And Jewish Mafia is just a euphemism for the Federal Reserve and American power politics.

IMHO ‘Federal Reserve’ is just a(nother) euphemism for ‘Jewish Mafia’

But I’m not quiet sure (yet) if ‘American power politics’ is just a(nother) euphemism for ‘Jewish Mafia’


R407114
2 days ago
microdot

Wa. Berezovski is Jewish. I hadn’t realized. Hmmmm . . . Marc Rich? Jewish. John D. Rockefeller . . . oops, Protestant. Henry Ford? Irish. What’s that? Catholic?

Shit. Abramovich is Jewish. LOL.

It really does seem to be a bit of an infection.

FNA. Khodorkovsky — Jewish.

The Google Guys – Jewish

George Soros – Jewish

Poor Roman. Nasty company muchacho.


R407118
1 day ago
SunTzu

Henry Ford was an Irish-American of Protestant, not Catholic, background

In the BBC article concerning the ‘Oligarchs’ referenced here the names of the ‘top 10’ are given. of those 10 the following are not Russian Orthodox

1 – Boris Berezovsky (LogoVaz-Sibneft)

2 – Roman Abramovich

3 – Mikhael Khodorkovsky (Yukos-Menatep)

4 – Mikhail Friedman (Alfa Group)

5 – Vladimir Gusinsky (Media Most group)

6 – Alexander Smolensky (SBS-Agro)

a 7th

Vladimir Potanin (Oneximbank-Interros)

is reported on David dukes website as NOT being jewish while on a website called http://allexperts.com it says of him:

Vladimir Potanin was born in 1961 into a high-ranking Russian-Jewish Communist family.

(there is also Oleg Deripaska, not mentioned in the BBC article, but a MAJOR Oligarch in his own right. Whether or not Deripaska is jewish is a matter of some debate. The only sites i could find which claimed that he was, appeared to be Far-right affiliated.)

Funnily enough we are constantly told how bad the Soviet Union was for people of Jewish extraction, yet curiously their does appear to have been quite a large number of ‘high-ranking’ or ‘prominent’ Russian-Jewish Communist families whose sons ended up owning extremely larges slices of the Russian economy in the immediate Post-Soviet era, which is a statistic which doesn’t gel too well with the story of communist Russia being a terribly Anti-Semitic place. One would have thought that such a supposedly Anti-Semitic place would have had few, if any, Jews in ‘prominent’ positions.

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1 day ago
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It could certainly be they’re the favored bagmen. When did all these bagmen all make it big? Coincidentally?

From Putin’s Q&A the other day — regarding a Khodorkovsky henchman:

Unfortunately, no one recalls that one of the Yukos security chiefs is in jail too. Do you think he acted on his initiative and at his own risk? He had no actual interest. He was not the company’s main shareholder. It’s obvious that he acted in the interests and under the directives of his bosses. How he acted is a separate matter. At least five murders have been proven.

They wanted to include a tea shop building into their office in Moscow. The owner of this small business enterprise, a woman, was requested to give them her business. She refused to do that, and they hired a hitman who shot her just near her apartment, before her husband’s eyes.

The Mayor of Nefteyugansk demanded that Yukos pay taxes, and what happened to him? He was killed.

The people, a married couple, who were hired by Yukos’ security service to organise contract killings, tried to blackmail the company to get a share in the business, and they were also killed.

All of these crimes are proven, we should not forget about that.

END OF QUOTE

Roman Abramovich ffs. The predators must have picked him out of a hat. Who is more like a Christmas bauble? There are people who are paraded before the public and then there are predators.


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Masterpieces including of Van Gogh seized in Italy

Italian police have confiscated a multi-million-dollar stash of masterpieces, including works by Van Gogh, Picasso and Cezanne.

The 19 masterpieces were concealed in attics and basements by the disgraced founder of the collapsed Italian dairy company Parmalat, Calisto Tanzi, said the tax police in Parma.

According to Parma Prosecutor Gerardo Laguardia, based on wiretapped phone conversations at least one of the paintings was about to be sold.

The prospective purchaser was a Russian, “possibly” living in Italy, Lovino asserted.

END OF QUOTE

What do you think? Does that sound like Roman?


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14 hours ago
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Roman Abramovich sets record art transfer

From Rupert Murdoch and The Rothschilds:

They cost as much as football players but are likely to be a far wiser investment. In the week that saw two record-breaking sales of paintings by Lucian Freud and Francis Bacon, a new collector has been revealed. Roman Abramovich, the Russian tycoon and owner of Chelsea football club, is the mystery buyer of the two paintings, according to reliable sources.

While Abramovich is better known for studying the sometimes patchy form of the players he buys, experts say that the $120m (£61.4m) buying spree suggests that he has found a new enthusiasm. His inspiration is likely to be his model girlfriend Daria “Dasha” Zhukova, who has recently spoken of her desire to open a contemporary art gallery in Moscow.

On Tuesday at a sale at New York’s Rockefeller Center, Christie’s sold Freud’s Benefits Supervisor Sleeping, a picture of Sue Tilley stretched naked across a sofa. It fetched $33.6m, the world auction record for a living artist.

“This picture is a simple and seemingly uncomposed depiction of one of the key features of Freud’s art,” said a Christie’s spokesman. “The forceful and undeniable physical presence of people and things.”

According to The Art Newspaper, the secret buyer was again bidding at Sotheby’s sale on Wednesday evening. This time he spent $86.3m on a three-panel work by Bacon, entitled Triptych. The purchase sent a record for a painting by the artist.

As the art world celebrated the buoyant auctions despite the slump in the world’s financial markets, speculation grew over who had been the purchaser of the Freud and Bacon paintings.

Cristina Ruiz, editor of The Art Newspaper, said: “Abramovich is now said to be the buyer of both of these paintings and I’m very impressed by his choices. He has gone at the highest level, but these are good purchases and I think they will retain their price.

“Abramovich appears to be completely new to the market. It’s very interesting because the power in the art world is shifting from European and American collectors who are selling to Russian and Middle Eastern collectors. It means the market is very resilient.”

Abramovich, worth an estimated £11.7 billion in The Sunday Times Rich List this year, announced his split from Irina, his second wife, last year.

He is now in a relationship with Zhukova, the 25-year-old daughter of a former cinema projectionist who then made his fortune as an oil trader.

Zhukova has launched her own fashion label while studying homeopathy in London. Despite her reputation as a socialite, she is said to prefer a quiet night at home and is an art enthusiast.

One of her projects, to transform a 1920s bus garage in Moscow into a gallery for contemporary art and culture, is expected to be launched next month. Amy Winehouse is reported to have been offered about £1m to sing at the event.

Asked about the purchases, a spokesman for Abramovich said: “We do not comment on personal matters.”


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14 hours ago
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from wikie

Dasha is the daughter of Russian oligarch Alexander Zhukov [that’s Rupert’s “former cinema projectionist who made his money trading oil”] and is currently dating Roman Abramovich.

Zhukova lived in Houston, Texas in the early ’90s and grew up in Los Angeles, California.

More from Rupert and the Rothschilds

Last month, yet another lavish party rocked Moscow. But this was not just any old party: it was Daria “Dasha” Zhukova’s moment. Amid rumours that her oligarch boyfriend, Roman Abramovich, had recently proposed to her, she welcomed 300 of art and fashion’s most powerful to a converted bus depot for the opening of her art gallery, the Center for Contemporay Culture Moscow, otherwise known as the Garage.

“Everyone was knocking back the vodkas,” says one guest, “but Dasha remained composed. She’s definitely a polite girl.” In a tight-fitting little black dress and a lick of make-up, the hostess transfixed guests — including Marc Newson and Larry Gagosian — when she swept into the room with Abramovich. Sober throughout, she knocked back just one shot of vodka during dinner. “I was next to Jeff Koons,” she explained. “It would have been rude not to do a shot with Jeff Koons.”

Unusually for a no-expense-spared party, guests had mostly paid their way. “People genuinely want to hang out with her, so they shelled out for hotels and flights.” Not that the event wasn’t spectacular. In keeping with the couple’s previous art-themed spending sprees — £17m on a Lucian Freud and £43.6m on a Bacon, plus a supermarket sweep of Art Basel in early June and the rumoured interest in a trio of Giacomettis — she had shipped in a light installation by Rafael Lozano-Hemmer, which guests held onto to feel a pulse. Also hired in, at a rumoured cost of £1m, was the chanteuse of the moment Amy Winehouse (with whom, somewhat incongruously, Dasha shares the hair stylist Alex Foden). As Aliona Doletskaya, the editor of Russian Vogue, remarked: “The party was very successful, and the level of representation of Russian cultural and governmental figures was very high.” All in all, it was a most convincing way to announce her new global project.

So who is this girl? A spoilt young thing with the world’s richest sugar daddy for a boyfriend, or the real deal — a culturally acute, socially adept figure about to make a serious splash? “I want to start a dialogue with a Russian audience,” says Dasha, who spends a lot of time in Moscow and is collaborating with the Russian artist Ilya Kabakov on the Garage’s opening show in September. “We hope to attract all kinds of people, even those who know nothing about contemporary art.”


R407176
12 hours ago
SunTzu

So who is this girl? A spoilt young thing with the world’s richest sugar daddy for a boyfriend, or the real deal — a culturally acute, socially adept figure about to make a serious splash?

i’d go with the former – and she probably gives a pretty mind-blowing blow-job too

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R407195
9 hours ago
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Here’s her website – The Garage (in English or Russian) — she seems to have abandoned it. Too bad.

Here’s a blog devoted to gossiping about her efforts to achieve Madame de Pompadour status.

OPEN QUOTE (Sheisssssssssssssssssssssssse)

Rolling Stone Ronnie Wood has been dumped from a top art exhibition organised by the girlfriend of Chelsea’s billionaire owner Roman Abramovich. Ron, 62 – who ditched wife Jo for a young Russian – is set to miss out on a fortune in sales after stunning Dasha Zhukova commissioned 20 paintings by him for the Moscow show. Prime Minister Vladimir Putin headed a guest-list of megarich clients ready to pay £500,000 a time for Ronnie’s work. But Wood – who has told pals his wild fling with Ekaterina Ivanova, 20, is “killing me slowly” – failed to deliver any paintings and furious Dasha pulled the plug. Friends blame Ronnie’s romance for preventing him from knuckling down.

20 paintings? Ronnie Wood? Is that for real?


R407196
9 hours ago
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OMG, LOL, it IS


R407197
9 hours ago
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500,000 BPS is 821,387 USD. For a Ronnie Wood? Friends are blaming his romance to be charitable, would be my guess.

Let’s hope Moscow’s doing better than that. I can’t say I’ve heard anything. But. I haven’t really been paying attention to that sort of thing. But it does look the lot’s in shocking disarray.


R407199
8 hours ago
SunTzu

Ronnie’s gone off the rails a little lately – I know some guys lived near him – they tell some wild stories – apparently he got together with Ekaterina Ivanova after a weekend downing vodka. Dissappeared for a few days. It was in the news here.

PLUS – he ain’t much of an artist

Art is worth whatever you convince a gullible rich philistine to pay for it.

If the rich man pays a lot of money then it is great art. If not, then it’s not great art


R407202
8 hours ago
SunTzu

Check THIS out – worthy of a fews days MSM-wall-to-wall saturation, I would have thought.

Apparently the MSM disagree with me, though . . . .


R407204
8 hours ago
Disenchanted

“One would have thought that such a supposedly Anti-Semitic place would have had few, if any, Jews in ‘prominent’ positions.” – A theory, I read somewhere, being put forward by them themselves was that as it was such a unfriendly place to them, that they were forced into the thriving black economy and hence were well set up to take a big slice when push finally came to shove. A somewhat convenient narrative, no?


R407205
7 hours ago
SunTzu

oh, absolutely.Especially when it doesn’t at all explain the rather high number of ‘high-ranking’ or ‘prominent’ Russian-Jewish Communist families

This one’s hilarious. that Putin guy’s got some sense of humour .. ..
Putin lauds expat Lieberman’s ‘brilliant political career’ in Israel

Russian PM Putin praised FM Lieberman on Friday for his rise to a senior cabinet position in Israel after having emigrated from the former Soviet Union. referring to the foreign minister, Putin said at a meeting in Moscow:

We are very happy that people from the Soviet Union build such a brilliant political career.


R407206
7 hours ago
SunTzu

Russia, Iran agree on new gas, oil projects

The Russian energy minister and officials from the Iranian Oil Ministry have agreed on a gas swap, the implementation of 15 new oil and gas projects, the construction of a oil refinery near the Caspian Sea, and the establishment a joint oil company. The agreements were made as Russian Energy Minister Shmatko arrived in Tehran on Sunday to attend the eighth meeting of Iran-Russian Joint Economic Commission. The visiting Russian minister also held talks with FM Mottaki on expanding cooperation in various other fields. At the meeting Iran and Russia expressed satisfaction over the holding of the joint commission meeting, which would help bolster bilateral cooperation in the fields of transportation, telecommunication, energy, commerce, economy and banking. Mottaki said this is a very good opportunity for both sides to further exchange views and broaden mutual relations and cooperation. Iran and Russia play a very significant role in regional and global developments, the Iranian foreign minister added. Shmatko, for his part, said holding of such meetings will serve to expand cooperation in various fields. There are not any hurdles in expanding mutual cooperation, Shmatko stated.


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7 hours ago
SunTzu

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