Tuesday, November 17, 2009

Why Snark Is C.I.A.

Why Snark Is C.I.A.

Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:20:23 -0600
R131981
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

i thought you were going to say that it’s because he sells crack

LOL


R131985
4 years ago
eepicheep

drew, go wash your hair or something.

=eep, I.P.V.


R131992
4 years ago
sisyphus

congrats snark

Post Modified: 03/03/06 13:31:52

R131995
4 years ago
neverknwo

Snark plus Poo = Spook?

he he he…...........................

TRY THIS LINK TO ACCESS PAGE TWO OF THIS THREAD“:http://www.gnn.tv/threads/13492/Why_Snark_Is_C_I_A?page=2&sort=_created_dt&dir=ASC

Post Modified: 03/03/06 16:05:03

R131996
4 years ago
sisyphus

drew, snark is at Colorado not Denver.


R131997
4 years ago
tango

Unfourtunatly this isn’t even the craziest thing drew’s posted this week. Here’s yesterday’s gem:

I glare at car drivers while walking

courtesy of Drew Hempel, M. frickin’ A.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 13:43:54

R131998
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

oooo, burn!


R132000
4 years ago
remarcus

hehe, snark, can you get me my file, brutha?


R132001
4 years ago
drewhempel

First of all I washed my hair this morning. Second of all if you go to the comment that Tango refers to you see that I posted that comment for dramatic flare — facetiously — since everyone is talking about Hollywood movies and such bullshit.

I took the bus this morning so I’m not some walking fanatic.

Now back to the Snark CIA expose. Again if you just go to Snark’s articles then go to his bio as Charlie Lawton you see that his specialization is exactly the same as the above mentioned CIA collaboration. At the same university.

That’s not a coincidence.

Consider the following. Snark worked at the Denver Museum for space science and the CIA sponsored the computer global warming modelling exhibit at the same museum. Again the CIA sponsored the area of Snark’s specialization at a museum Snark was working at.

That’s not a coincidence. Here’s the proof — see CIA under the list of sponsers.

http://www.grss-ieee.org/ManagedFiles/PDF/exhibitors_prospectus_IGARSS_2006.pdf

drew hempel, M.A.


R132002
4 years ago
drewhempel

Snark got his B.S. at Denver University in 2005.

Just goto his articles google his real name and you get his full C.V.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132003
4 years ago
eepicheep

_ just got paid and bought a dozen books—most of them used. So watch out._ (drew hempel M.A.) — from that thread you posted, tango. I’m watching out! For sure!

=eep, I.P.V.


R132007
4 years ago
Shogo

As an employee of the NSA, I can confirm that Snark is indeed a CIA asset. We in the US intelligence community view GNN as a very grave threat. On our internal alert system, it’s color-coded kumquat.


R132006
4 years ago
drewhempel

I’ve been reading “True Lies” this morning. drew hempel, M.A.


R132009
4 years ago
drewhempel

Hey ignore the evidence if you want. At least I’m sharing some real information — not vapid-ware fanatsy-land b.s.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132010
4 years ago
remarcus

eep, what is IPV?


R132011
4 years ago
eepicheep

It’s my certification of membership in the bourgeoisie: I Pee Vichyssoise


R132013
4 years ago
drewhempel

Intimate Partner Violence

drew hempel, M.A.


R132015
4 years ago
drewhempel

Now stay focused on the evidence. Consider the information I have posted. I know you people can do this. Stay with me people. drew hempel, M.A.


R132016
4 years ago
Chickenma1

eep – ROFL!


R132017
4 years ago
eepicheep

Fuck you drew that was low. Fuck you.


R132018
4 years ago
tango

Fucking Crackhead… go fuck yourself, hows that for Intimate Partner Violence?


R132019
4 years ago
drewhempel

I was serious. I really thought that was it. Blame google not me. My sister was raped so I don’t take the issue lightly. drew hempel, M.A.


R132020
4 years ago
Shogo

I Pee Vichyssoise

Wouldn’t the chunkies hurt?


R132022
4 years ago
Shogo

I really thought that was it.

Kind of like how MA after your name stands for Moronic Asshole?


R132023
4 years ago
remarcus

hehe, eep… think that would determine a trip to an uroligist..


R132024
4 years ago
drewhempel

Whatever you all have yet even to consider the real, solid facts that I have presented. This is totally lame. Google I.P.V. and see what comes up. drew hempel, M.A.


R132026
4 years ago
tango

I glare at car drivers while walking

I took the bus this morning so I’m not some walking fanatic

Dude, it wasn’t the walking part that was fanatical.

And now you’ve officially made this thread the craziest shit I’ve read this week.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 14:01:41

R132027
4 years ago
eepicheep

This is totally lame

This is where a normal person would apologize.


R132029
4 years ago
Shogo

The first page back is filled with links about the polio vaccine, and something about a media player called “Internet Pro Video”.

Shogo, GTJ


R132030
4 years ago
remarcus

that deserves an oops and how do you fit both feet in?, drew hempel FIMD... (foot in mouth disease)


R132031
4 years ago
drewhempel

I totally apologize. Forgive me.

Maybe the activists on GNN will consider the information I presented in this thread. drew hempel, M.A.


R132032
4 years ago
neverknwo

Would you take a vaccine that spookie poo grew?

Post Modified: 03/03/06 14:04:12

R132033
4 years ago
eepicheep

R132034
4 years ago
Shogo

consider the information I presented in this thread

It’s shit, drew. It’s called ad hominem fallacy, and it’s also known as guilt be association. Lots of scientific research is paid for via government grants. It doesn’t make scientists “paid disinfo shills”. Shogo, YMIAW

Post Modified: 03/03/06 14:05:23

R132036
4 years ago
drewhempel

Yeah but that was my logical guess — it’s on the second page.

Can we just please have someone on this thread comment on the links I gave. Someone make them “live” at least since I just do real research and am not a “conversationalist” on GNN (that’s what Augstina told me others stated).

drew hempel, M.A.


R132037
4 years ago
sisyphus

This is where a normal person would apologize

no kidding

GTJ – gathering the jewels?


R132038
4 years ago
eepicheep

I didn’t see your apology while I was googling and typing. I will think about whether to accept your apology, but appreciate the gesture.


R132039
4 years ago
drewhempel

Government grants? The CIA is not a typical government grant at all. I personally reviewed all the research contracts at the U of Minnesota and known of them were CIA. There were 300 different corporations contracting “science” research though.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132040
4 years ago
Shogo

> j00


R132042
4 years ago
drewhempel

none of them — whatever — this keyboard is way too slow. drew hempel, M.A.


R132043
4 years ago
neverknwo

The comments are posting faster then I can refresh…........

I“m Luv it.

The Forum Lives.


R132045
4 years ago
remarcus

WTF is YMIAW?


R132046
4 years ago
drewhempel

Phrases like those used on the MegaTokyo merchandise such as “relax we understand j00” are clear to people with no exposure to l33t. But to maintain the impression of an inside joke, and the sense of community that creates, some group must be put down.

Big deal. Computer programming is stupid. I stopped doing it in 6th grade.

Number theory is where it’s at.

But again that’s a diversion.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132047
4 years ago
Shogo

drew, you’re cracked out. Just because someone does research resulting in findings that can be used by intelligence agencies, among other entities, doesn’t make that person a government shill. That’s like saying Steve Jobs is a government shill because the government buys Apple computers. It’s nonsense.


R132048
4 years ago
sisyphus

“> j00”

gotcha, first thought was “Grand Theft Joo”


R132049
4 years ago
sisyphus

but Steve Jobs is a government shill


R132051
4 years ago
remarcus

haha


R132052
4 years ago
Shogo

Computer programming is stupid.

I agree. My time would be much better spent sniffing out CIA assets on message boards.

I stopped doing it in 6th grade.

Big fuck.

Shogo, WGAF


R132053
4 years ago
Shogo

WTF is YMIAW

Clue: first two letters signify “Your Mom”.


R132054
4 years ago
drewhempel

As I stated CIA sponsored the specific research area Snark worked on and the leading investigator is contracted by the CIA. That’s not just “using” the information.

Consider also that the leading investigator works on promoting democracy through the international studies and Snark just happens to travel to areas doing NGO work that is often a front for CIA research.

Peace Corps for example is used as a CIA cover.

I was an International Relations undergrad. I didn’t realize it was openly a CIA sponsored arena and I directly confronted my Latin American Relations professor who wanted to flunk me.

So I have direct experience with just how politic academic research is.

In fact my dad got a Ford Foundation grant that was screened by the CIA — even your magazine subscriptions are screened.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132055
4 years ago
neverknwo

So is Bill Gates


R132056
4 years ago
Shogo

CIA sponsored the specific research area Snark worked on

So? That doesn’t prove anything beyond the fact that they thought his area of research might be of some benefit to them. That doesn’t make him a CIA asset drew.

I didn’t realize it was openly a CIA sponsored arena

It seems logical to me that the CIA might even recruit people who work in international relations. It doesn’t mean that everyone who studies the subject is a CIA asset.

Shogo, DBAT


R132057
4 years ago
silverback

5 for this discussion thread


R132058
4 years ago
ubiquity

Hi Drew, I’m with you. But strictly SUVs. I love glaring at SUVs and then up at the driver and then back at the SUV etc etc, depending on how much time I have …. Sometimes it pisses them off so much they give me the finger.

LOL


R132059
4 years ago
drewhempel

Well it appears Shogo is the only one giving this the time of day but hey — that’s o.k. Be naive if you all want. I’m sure Anthony, Stephen and others will take this a bit more seriously.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132062
4 years ago
drewhempel

Glare as in Merle Haggard and Iggy Pop combined kinda glare.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132063
4 years ago
remarcus

I reserve judgement until snark gives me my fucking file


R132064
4 years ago
tango

others will take this a bit more seriously

logical fallacy: nobody takes this seriously.

Tango M.F. Durden, M.Sc, WWJD


R132065
4 years ago
neverknwo

I wanna be with you drew but I’m waiting for the right timming not to be the fool…........

Post Modified: 03/03/06 14:21:10

R132066
4 years ago
Shogo

Be naive if you all want.

I just don’t think a CIA asset would spend his time debating people about creationism.


R132067
4 years ago
PeglegSue

Agreed! The sooner this creep is rounded up and shoved in an oven and cooked like a little jewpizza the better. It can’t happen soon enough.


R132068
4 years ago
drewhempel

Look the groups I worked for in Madison requested their F.B.I. file. 900 pages for 2 dozen people over a few years in the early 90s. O.K. Does that give you an indication of what kind of attention any people attempting progressive activism gets?

Most of the files were blacked out and then the F.B.I. requested that the file request be rescinded because it was “too much work” — just as they have done for the recent Greenpeace-ACLU FOIA request.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132069
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

lol you guys are hilarious

Shifty – DAMFI
(dumbass muthafukin’idiot)


R132070
4 years ago
sisyphus

shifty is a shill too


R132071
4 years ago
drewhempel

I’ve done the research on the ideology of the CIA — just read “The Stargate Conspiracy” — it’s exactly the specific research area Snark focuses on. Also read professor Bruce Lincoln’s expose on the CIA attacking back to the land movements.

Or read the CIA’s complete control attempt over cultural ideology throughout the U.S. — media, movies, news.

No one can deny that the evidence I presented demonstrates the CIA at Snark’s university and his Museum work have funded the specific area of research Snark has worked on.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132072
4 years ago
neverknwo

They don’t call it liberal Indoctrination for nothing…...............

Post Modified: 03/03/06 14:30:41

R132073
4 years ago
tango

shifty is a shill too

who else did you think was following you around all day in that black helicopter?


R132074
4 years ago
drewhempel

Tango I happened to have a very close encounter with a large, totally flat, equilateral black triangle flying slowing over the tree tops, preceeded by spheres, each of various colors doing inexplicable maneuvers on the horizon.

That was summer of 1997 and those secret black-ops are now well-documented.

I could have hit the thing with a rock.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132077
4 years ago
tango

I told you dude, it was shifty…

(Ps. He’s in the vents right now!)


R132078
4 years ago
alexander

Hmm…lets see, father gets ford foundation grant, he checks the FBI files of people at Madison. I know, it must be true, Drew is a CIA asset! :)

It must be guilt-by-association week on FOX.


R132083
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

damn, my cover’s blown! abort mission… ABORT MISSION!

lol

i love you guyz


R132085
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

drew – ever seen the aurora craft? they’re triangles, only they have red, white, and blue lights, one color per side of the triangle, and they say US Airforce on them. we’ve watched them down at Kirtland AF Base in NM. they’ve been around for a while. about as classified as the stealth bombers were shortly before they were official acknowledged. they handle amazingly. i’ve seen them fly around fighter jets liek flies around a pile of shit.


R132086
4 years ago
drewhempel

Well just wait till Earth looks like Mars — then Snark’s research modelling will finally come true — as funded by the CIA. drew hempel, M.A.


R132087
4 years ago
alexander

Hey, Shifty, maybe you can get Fitzgerald to find out if it was Cheney who blew your cover :)


R132088
4 years ago
drewhempel

Look it’s not Aurora — a hundred times over it’s not Aurora. There were two different research institutes that released a joint report a couple years ago on this TOTALLY FLAT equilateral triangle.

There was one person on GNN who knew about it but they haven’t posted in a long time.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132089
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

it’s always said “CounterIntelligence Agent” on my profile

lol


R132092
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

well whatever the ones i saw were called, i’ve seen them, so they’re real.


R132093
4 years ago
drewhempel

Anyway I’ve done my work — the evidence is there for any one to consider. Supporting the CIA by being an idiot. CIA insider. Both are valid options.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132094
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

the name doesn’t matter. that’s just what my friend told me their name was, the guy who showed me to the observation spot (gotta be sneaky, but i hear now they have those smart sensors at our old spot, so folks don’t go there any more)


R132095
4 years ago
drewhempel

Again it’s NOT AURORA. Here’s a research report on it.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/triangles.htm

drew hempel, M.A.


R132097
4 years ago
Joe

Figures.. only the CIA could create something as vicious as Forbes.

Is it ok to disclose the real names of forum users in your blog? I thought that could get you banned.


R132098
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

anyways, the desert southwest is full of weird shit like that. we were out hiking deep in the desert of southeast Utah and came across a railroad, and the train just happened to come by. we had binoculars with us for sight seeing and were able to see shackled cars on the train that looked like they were used for transporting people, prisoners. everything was unmarked and there were armed military looking people on it (we could see them on some of the open-air cars) but they too were unmarked as far as we could tell. it scared the living shit out of us, even though we were maybe a quarter mile away, maybe less. we got the hell out of there.


R132099
4 years ago
Shogo

I happened to have a very close encounter with a large, totally flat, equilateral black triangle flying slowing over the tree tops

Reminds me of a similar experience I had with a persimmon-colored trapezoid.


R132100
4 years ago
Shogo

Is it ok to disclose the real names of forum users in your blog? I thought that could get you banned.

Apparently that only happens if you complain about it.


R132101
4 years ago
drewhempel

Read Nick Redfern’s latest book “Body Snatchers in the Desert” (2005) It’s awesome and we exchanged emails about the black triangle phenomenon.

I spent two weeks at Ghost Ranch New Mexico, outside Santa Fe, where Georgia O’Keefe painted, every year for about 10 years so I’ve seen some strange things in the sky in N.M.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132102
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

do any acknowledged prisons use trains? a private prison maybe? methinks it went to a prison camp. they’re certainly out there. and now hls is paying kbr to build more. but we have old ones from previous wars. “internment” camps.


R132103
4 years ago
drewhempel

Snark openly stated his real name was on his article — it’s in the Avian Bird Flu blog. He said we could check him out there.

But if I got banned from GNN I would consider it a blessing I think so go ahead.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132105
4 years ago
drewhempel

Internment camps. Well the fucking used Japanese Prisoners who happened to be retarded for nuclear aircraft experiments. That’s the real Roswell by the way.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132106
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

yeah i’ve been to Ghost Ranch. it’s beautiful land, despite its religious ownership.

i also hear that they’re moving the CIA headquarters to Denver.

it is unfortunate for me that it looks like Colorado and the 4 Corners area in general is going to be the hub of the coming police state (unfortunate for me because I live in Colorado and love it).


R132107
4 years ago
neverknwo

Any Questions?


R132109
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

(sorry for derailing the conversation. i’ll let you all get back to your finger-pointing now)


R132110
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

pictures prove nothing, nev. but i’ve seen some in real life, so…


R132111
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

if I got banned from GNN I would consider it a blessing I think so go ahead.

oh come on. you must like it here. why else would you post? if it would be a blessing, you could just stop hanging around here yourself. anyways, we’d miss ya


R132113
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

but yeah, if a user discloses his or her name here on gnn (as i have), that is their own prerogative


R132114
4 years ago
Shogo

Any Questions?

Did you use the shape tool or the pen tool?


R132116
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

lol – yeah, that picture sucks. it could be anything. it could be doctored or just fabricated. but i trust my eyes when i’m looking at something in the sky, rather than in a photo. so you don’t need to provide me with any evidence to convince me, as i’ve been convinced by direct experience. besides, that was at Kirtland or Kirkland or whatever that AFB is called in NM, which means that they’re not doing that much to keep it secret. let it leak out slowly before declassifying it, just like the stealths.


R132117
4 years ago
anthony

Where’s Snark?


R132118
4 years ago
Joe

“Snark openly stated his real name was on his article—it’s in the Avian Bird Flu blog”

I can’t speak for snark, but there’s a difference between saying ‘my name is available here’ and ‘it’s ok to go around posting my real name’. I’ve also posted links to websites that have my real name on it, but I really don’t want people posting my real name in their blogs, especially a slanderous one.

Maybe you should take his name down, just to be on the safe side, eh?

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:01:41

R132119
4 years ago
tango

He said we could check him out there

But somehow I don’t think he meant stalk him, you twisted fuck.


R132120
4 years ago
in_itself

“Where’s Snark?”

In your closet…

Post Modified: 03/08/06 09:16:19


R132121
4 years ago
PeglegSue

“Supporting the CIA by being an idiot. CIA insider.
Both are valid options.”

Idiot, most likely!


R132122
4 years ago
neverknwo

Did you use the shape tool or the pen tool?

Do be a fool shogo,

I’m the Cut-n Paste spammer remember?


R132124
4 years ago
Shogo

Where’s Snark?

Now that his cover is blown he’ll have to assume a new identity I guess.


R132125
4 years ago
Shogo

heh. That answer rules.


R132126
4 years ago
sisyphus

In your closet

Insert petty-ass “coming out of closet” joke.


R132127
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

Anthony is KGB


R132128
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

asses are never petty, sis


R132129
4 years ago
drewhempel

O.K. I’m just speaking from practical experience on disinformation. I spent a year meeting nine times with the Public Relations dept. and the lawyer that runs the U of Minnesota after I exposed their attempt to rubber-stamp a corporate cover-up of sweatshop contracts.

First they tried to blatantly censored me stating the lawyer I was debating had to authorize the evidence I had that was specifically on the reason the committee was created in the first place!

That was so crazy I just called them on it and they backed off.

Secondly they asked the same stupid questions over and over again to stretch out the process for a year.

Thirdly they would compliment me so my defenses were down and then immediately turn around and misrepresent what I just stated.

Fourthly the professors who helped me out on the committee had their tenured threatened by the lawyer running the U.

Fifth — when I pointed that tenure threat out the following day on my activist email list all my saved messages were deleted and the computer help stated they had never seen that error before and it had to be by someone with network access. The same thing then happened to the person helping me.

Anyway PR people get trained in psy-ops techniques—as PR Watch has documented. For example one of the PR persons used his skin color to befriend the cultural centers and spread lies about the sweatshop issue.

So I’ve got experience about how disinformation works.

All I’m doing is presenting information. People can make of it what they will.

drew hempel,M.A.


R132130
4 years ago
Shogo

People can make of it what they will.

I made it into a hat. A foil hat, in fact.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:05:02

R132131
4 years ago
drewhempel

Um I just typed something out and it disappeared. drew hempel,M.A.


R132134
4 years ago
neverknwo

whoops page didn’t reload…........

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:08:12

R132135
4 years ago
sisyphus

heh, drew doesn’t know about page 2


R132136
4 years ago
Shogo

Um I just typed something out and it disappeared.

Sorry, I hit delete. Try again.


R132137
4 years ago
neverknwo

It’s FSB now Shifty.

Time for you to check back in and get debriefed.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:07:25

R132138
4 years ago
drewhempel

I just typed out two messages and both disappeared. They were on the U’s corruption and I’m at the U. That’s never happened to me before.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132139
4 years ago
in_itself

“heh, drew doesn’t know about page 2”

AKA “Lot08 syndrome”


R132140
4 years ago
sisyphus

haha


R132141
4 years ago
Shogo

That’s never happened to me before.

Or has it…....?????


R132142
4 years ago
Shogo

Best. Thread. Ever.


R132143
4 years ago
drewhempel

Hello? drew hempel M.A.


R132144
4 years ago
in_itself

:’-D

he had to add “drew hempel M.A.” to a “Hello?” post

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:09:44

R132146
4 years ago
Joe

lol.. people who don’t figure out page 2 are funny.


R132147
4 years ago
Shogo

Hi!


R132148
4 years ago
Shogo

people who don’t figure out page 2 are funny.

Especially when they’ve been using the site as long as drew has.

Shogo, ROFL


R132149
4 years ago
neverknwo

I must be funny I can’t figure out page 2

when you click the link it goes blank….................

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:11:48

R132150
4 years ago
tango

Hello? drew hempel M.A

ROTFLMAO

On edit:

he had to add “drew hempel M.A.” to a “Hello?” post

ROTFLMFAOATCBDHMA

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:17:15

R132151
4 years ago
sisyphus

hello?

sisyphus, IJSMP


R132152
4 years ago
neverknwo

Why everyone is saying high?

Ewwwww that smell…...............

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:13:47

R132153
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

that old bug is back eh? report it to cinis. you gotta access page 2 from the forum, not from the blog. cinis said that was fixed.


R132154
4 years ago
sisyphus

cinis said that was fixed

IJSMP, again


R132155
4 years ago
neverknwo

No it does it from the forum to….............

I’ve been in the forum all day.


R132157
4 years ago
Shogo

I Just Submitted My Post?


R132158
4 years ago
Joe

“I must be funny I can’t figure out page 2”

But you don’t let it slow you down, and that’s the important thing.


R132159
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

it does that if you access the thread from the blog, which is still the forum, but for some reason the addy’s different. but you must be accessing it, because you’re replying to comments i made on page 2. anyways, report the bug here.


R132160
4 years ago
sisyphus

I just shit my pants


R132161
4 years ago
sisyphus

pmed drew


R132164
4 years ago
drewhempel

Holy shit? drew hempel. MA


R132165
4 years ago
sisyphus

content: “someone shut down the comments section on your blog. WTF? maybe you were right.”


R132166
4 years ago
in_itself

priceless


R132167
4 years ago
neverknwo

instead of accessing it from the forum thread I just hit refresh and open another browser to see the lastest posts to view in other threads.


R132168
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

pmed drew

so did i. it’s just a bug. nothing is shut down. we’re still commenting. and i can still read it. everything seems fine.


R132169
4 years ago
Shogo

Hello! Thank you! Hello!


R132171
4 years ago
Snark

..................holy shit. Just wow. Wow.

I’m at work right now, so I’ll have to be brief.

Bring out the Gimp!


R132172
4 years ago
Shogo

content: “someone shut down the comments section on your blog. WTF? maybe you were right.”

Rad. Too bad Shifty queered it.


R132174
4 years ago
Shogo

I’m at work right now

Notice how he says this while he’s posting?

CLEAR PROOF.


R132175
4 years ago
sisyphus

shifty you fucker


R132177
4 years ago
neverknwo

I’m at work right now
CLEAR PROOF.

Agreed


R132178
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

spook or not, snark is going to get a kick out of all this


R132179
4 years ago
Shogo

Agreed

See? Am I good or what?


R132181
4 years ago
Porktamer


R132182
4 years ago
Porktamer

Whoops, double.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:26:20

R132183
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

lol there you are! spook. we knew it. your cover is blown. ABORT MISSION!!!

you fucker

what did i do? lol


R132184
4 years ago
in_itself

Loose lips sink ships


R132185
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

ahh, the pork-meister!


R132186
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

tight lips goat tits


R132188
4 years ago
neverknwo

the pork-meister makes a funny boo boo when his post went blank…........

he he he


R132189
4 years ago
Shogo

what did i do? lol

sis was about to send drew down the rabbit hole.


R132190
4 years ago
tango

I just typed out two messages and both disappeared. They were on the U’s corruption and I’m at the U. That’s never happened to me before. drew hempel, M.A

Holy shit? drew hempel. MA

I tried five different computers in three different locations and that thread is still shut-down M.A.

I seriously think his head’s about to explode! M.A.

Ps. M.A.!

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:46:57

R132191
4 years ago
Shogo

He’s probably long gone from the library. He won’t see this again until he reaches the internet cafe.


R132192
4 years ago
drewhempel

hello? drew hempell M.A.


R132196
4 years ago
drewhempel

hello???? drew hempel, M.A. kkkkkkkkkkk


R132204
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

R132207
4 years ago
peacemaker

This could be the best argument for having a CHAT!!


R132208
4 years ago
alexander

Shhhh…don’t anyone tell him :)


R132210
4 years ago
in_itself


R132212
4 years ago
remarcus

owow (text field wust be 3 characters)


R132214
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

uhg, that graphic just made me vomit on my keyboard. thanks a lot.


R132213
4 years ago
sisyphus

someone tell him he can stop saying ‘hello?’

no fucking way, this is too goddamn funny


R132215
4 years ago
Shogo

kkkkkkkkkkk

Always had drew pegged as a racist.


R132218
4 years ago
sisyphus

tango – why you posting that pic of corpy?


R132219
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

this is too goddamn funny

yeah just visualize this:

I tried five different computers in three different locations and that thread is still shut-down.

lol

can’t you just see him running around all frantic and freaking out?


R132223
4 years ago
neverknwo

Ha Ha Ha Ha ha….....................

Ya….......


R132224
4 years ago
alexander

can’t you just see him running around all frantic and freaking out?

The new “running man”...


R132225
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

this thread is insane. this is why we need an on-site chat function, rather than our deoxy chat. this has gotta be an all-time record for the number of posts in the amount of time.


R132226
4 years ago
tango

tango – why you posting that pic of corpy ?

shit, didn’t know it was taken… but probably for this reason:

can’t you just see him running around all frantic and freaking out ?

LOL M.A.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:49:23

R132228
4 years ago
remarcus

corpy is cia also


R132229
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

you dorks. i can’t believe this shit’s been voted up to the top blogs list. shizzle m’nizzle. pass tha blunt


R132230
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich


R132232
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

forbes is the greatest


R132233
4 years ago
tango

pass tha blunt

consider it passed… be careful though, thats no ordinary blunt! Its CIA ! M.A!


R132234
4 years ago
neverknwo

this has gotta be an all-time record for the number of posts in the amount of time.

27 pages to go….............


R132236
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

thats no ordinary blunt! Its CIA!

what is it explosive or something? dosed with lsd? intended for fidel castro?


R132237
4 years ago
sisyphus

tango – shit, didn’t know it was taken

it isn’t, but at least one other person here knows what I am talking about.


R132238
4 years ago
tango

what is it explosive or something? dosed with lsd? intended for fidel castro?

Can’t it be all three?

sorry sis, I’m still new…. here take this blunt from shifty… I swear, nothing bad will happen…

Post Modified: 03/03/06 15:56:58

R132241
4 years ago
remarcus

mmm, yes, chat… CIA monitored,real time dissing at its finest


R132243
4 years ago
drewhempel

Hello? drew hempel, M.A.


R132245
4 years ago
anthony

Don’t tell me Forbes is with the agency too. Trust no one.


R132246
4 years ago
drewhempel

OK — so my posts didn’t work from the U — I tried four different U computers at two different buildings. I was typing a long post on the U Admin’s disinformation campaign against me — censorship, psy-ops, sabotage. They hacked my computer posts at the U before. That’s freaking spooky. I thought they were going to get me. drew hempel, M.A.


R132248
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

This is some funny shit. I get home and see over 170 posts in two hours. I really didn’t think drew could out do himself with his All Scientists are Assholes blog(s). Obviously I was mistaken.

drew, do you really want to be part of the so called “Snark’s Fanclub” that much!?

Jesus, welcome aboard man. For this is the fanclub thread if I ever saw one. I guess we have you to thank (except for the eep comment on page 1 – that was just plain offensive and uncalled for) ....

Now, where’s Liam? Lets make it official…


R132249
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

Simpsons time… laterz…


R132251
4 years ago
drewhempel

Alright — I guess there was just too much action but again I assure you that my posts from the U never got there. drew hempel, M.A.


R132253
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

well you tried to expose an agent, so what did you expect? a cookie?

lol


R132254
4 years ago
sisyphus

Anthony – can we get a best-ever of forum section?


R132255
4 years ago
drewhempel

So there’s suppose to be a huge white space for as long as the whole blog. Whatever. I’m listening to a NSA spy story right now on the local progressive radio station.

drew hempel, M.A.


R132256
4 years ago
neverknwo

I saw the huge white space for as long as the whole blog

Look what happened to Scooter Libby….........

Post Modified: 03/03/06 16:09:25

R132258
4 years ago
alexander

No doubt, Anthony is in on it too, Drew! :). And Cinis too! You go ahead and expose them all! Oh, maybe I should post this on his other thread…


R132259
4 years ago
sisyphus

who downmodded this blog dammit?


R132260
4 years ago
alexander

Anthony – can we get a best-ever of forum section?

This could get both best and worst at the same time.


R132261
4 years ago
drewhempel

Anthony. Do I get to get banned for this? Please let me out of the GNN cult or else tell everyone to drink kool aid. drew hempel, M.A.


R132262
4 years ago
remarcus

haha



R132263
4 years ago
neverknwo

Banned?

NOT!

Congragulations for are in order for waking up this dead forum.


R132264
4 years ago
Shogo


R132266
4 years ago
sisyphus

page 3 – now he’s going to be really fucked


R132265
4 years ago
neverknwo

Page 3 starts and I get a blank page 2 again and blank page 3.

This time I hit the go back to see the last comment on the bottom of page 2.


R132268
4 years ago
fennec

Snark, I wish I could quit you.


R132269
4 years ago
sisyphus

I had to type the 3 into the url to get here


R132270
4 years ago
alexander

The paging worked for me fine…


R132271
4 years ago
eepicheep

Paging is working fine for me also. It only works if you’re one of US, though…


R132272
4 years ago
Shogo

The paging breaks if you reply, then try to click to a different page.


R132273
4 years ago
neverknwo

Does having a 1gig P2 say anything?


R132274
4 years ago
Shogo

It says that you haven’t bought a computer in about 6 years.


R132276
4 years ago
neverknwo

Do you think I would be using my best box on GNN after all this?


R132277
4 years ago
Shogo

Good point.


R132278
4 years ago
sisyphus

/me switches over to circa-1999 windows 98 box


R132281
4 years ago
Shogo

Someone needs to tell cinis to add a hidden variable with the title of the thread, so that after posting a reply it can attach the variable to the page links at the bottom. It’s fucking retarded that he hasn’t fixed that.


R132282
4 years ago
neverknwo

Before I reloaded windows last week on my secondary box. I had 187,000 plus intrusion attempts logged on my firewall.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 16:29:09

R132283
4 years ago
eepicheep

Even if you told him, when do you think he might get around to it?


R132290
4 years ago
remarcus

should we take up a donation?


R132291
4 years ago
remarcus

maybe the NSA would kick down


R132292
4 years ago
remarcus

ask snark


R132295
4 years ago
sisyphus

and all is quiet


R132298
4 years ago
Snark

I’m still kind of wondering how I even respond to this.


R132299
4 years ago
sisyphus

heh, just admit the truth shill-boy


R132300
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

/start trans

who downmodded this blog dammit?

It was us, the CIA. Don’t want too much attention, it could override our tracking computers and cause a mainframe shut down. Agent Snark is logging every IP address that posts and views this thread (yes, he’s hard at work). Once he has them all, he will clone Forbes to come after each of you. He’s breeding an army, you know. He let it slip on a previous thread, if you were paying attention. He has been reprimanded by his supervisors for that error in judgment. But thanks to drew, the gig is finally up. Unfortunate, but a contingency that was planned for. Everything is planned for.

Drew, I hacked in and saw you through the vid cameras at the U. That was me that deleted your posts before they showed up on the forum. They are on record in our database, and we are adding them to your file.

Funny shit to watch you jump from PC to PC , palms sweaty and your fingerprints everywhere. A team will be in after closing to lift them for planting on black-ops we are working on. It’s especially humorous to watch you pick your nose when you get really nervous. Ha ha…you should be nervous.

Outing an operative is a very serious thing to do. You should know that by now.

Shit, K. Rove is paging me. Gotta go. If I were you, I’d better keep glaring at those drivers while you take your walks.

We are watching you. Obey.

/end trans

R132301
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

Holy shit. That is not what I posted!


R132302
4 years ago
Shogo

If I were you, I’d better keep glaring at those drivers while you take your walks.

Nice.


R132303
4 years ago
sisyphus

Funny shit to watch you jump from PC to PC , palms sweaty and your fingerprints everywhere

shouldn’t that read “sweaty hairy palms”?


R132304
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

I don’t know sis. I’m a little freaked out by what just happend. :|


R132305
4 years ago
alexander

Hey, I think I just saw one of those Forbes clones rummiging through my trash!


R132307
4 years ago
neverknwo

In a few years they will telling stories of the birds and the bees that disappeared when the Snark Forbes went huntin with cheney

Post Modified: 03/03/06 17:08:36

R132308
4 years ago
remarcus

namaste, theyve coopted you… check your keyboard. ir was you under mind control dude… WAKE UP!


R132309
4 years ago
peacemaker

Drew, your priceless


R132315
4 years ago
in_itself

“Hey, I think I just saw one of those Forbes clones rummiging through my trash!”


R132319
4 years ago
Lot08

Shit, I’m late. I just finished breakfast. Other forums have provocateurs. Rallying different audiences against certain themes and people(s) is U.S. psyop practice. It’s not just going on in Iraqi newspapers and thorugh the VOA. The NYT helps a lot on some difficult issues especially because it has a long liberal tradition. But, Snark? Snark and who else?


R132320
4 years ago
Continuity

OMFG if Snark is outed, we can’t read his intensely interesting political comments anymore, especially when he’s drinking and typing. And he can’t hump Shogo’s leg online.

Man, what are we going to do?


R132323
4 years ago
neverknwo

How much are Spook stains on your Pant legs worth in the shill world?

I bet Monica knwo’s?

Post Modified: 03/03/06 17:56:32

R132330
4 years ago
fennec

You neverknwo…


R132332
4 years ago
neverknwo

Where ya been Fennec in the in Closet?


R132333
4 years ago
Snark

Well, I’ve composed myself now.

So it’s come to this.

I should have figured you filthy jackals would have resorted to steps like these. Going after my lover just wasn’t enough, was it? No, you not only destroy her, you go after me as well. Just not quite satisfied with your pound of flesh, were you?

I suppose some explanation was in order, for the witnesses to this….abominable travesty.

A few years ago, when my climate change work got the attention of the CIA, I was assigned to a mentor to teach me the basics of covert assassination, ninjitsu, signals intelligence, disinformation spreading, how to fly a Predator drone, and other basic CIA skills. Her name was Valerie. She was strong, beautiful, experienced- everything I could want in a woman. She was years older than me, of course, but that mattered to me not at all. I found myself falling powerfully in love with her as we worked together, and she began to feel the same way about me. Her husband, Joseph (or Joe) Wilson, was emotionally distant, couldn’t get it up any more, travelled to third-world countries frequently for his work. Their marriage was one of convenience and appearance. I gave her what he refused to, and in return., she taught me much about the ways of the spy, the ninja, and of true love. The sex was epic.

Meanwhile, my CIA-sponsored climate change work gained much attention- from my colleagues, from the military-industrial complex, and, it seems, from all the wrong people. The administration, deeply opposed to the idea of climate change, began to plot against me. The plot was so insidious, so brutally vicious, that I tear up even now, thinking about it.

Valerie’s husband Joe was a petty and vindictive man, and when Karl Rove approached him to recruit for the scheme, he was more than willing to take revenge on his unfaithful wife and I. Under the guise of investigating claims related to the then-brewing Iraq war, he travelled to Nigeria. Of course, the bastard spent most of his time in the brothels of Lagos. Word of his trip was cunningly leaked to Robert Novak, who outed Valerie with the results that we have all seen- her cover blown, her career ruined, she was forced to go into hiding. Her treacherous husband’s trip was merely a cover, an insidious ploy- the real target was me.

Valerie took shelter in the backwoods of Idaho, and I continued my training with another mentor, heartbroken. I immediately ceased all climate change research, and took a leave of absence from the CIA to gather my thoughts and wits. Of course, I thought that the incident, heinous and frightening though it was, was over. The message had been delivered.

Until today. Until I watch Drew blow my cover, outing me to the world. Who better to plunge the knife into my back, after cruelly luring me into a sense of security? One would never think that he was a personal agent of Karl Rove, from the cover story he posts on GNN. Never doubt- his calculating posts on nanotechnology and resonance and hating on scientists is merely a front. He’s not from Minnesota, he doesn’t dumpster-dive, he doesn’t even have an MA. In reality, he’s a paid political hit-man, a spin doctor, fixer, and (rumors have it) a dirty-tricks specialist par excellence. He leads the Five Deadly Venoms, a covert team of spies devoted to destroying the enemies of Bush and Cheney. I’ve only seen him once- gunning down a fellow scientist/operative from an armored Hummer modified with a dragster engine. His name is legend among the CIA’s Disinfo Scientist division- spoken with the same dread as Dracula might’ve been in midieval Slovakia.

Well, Drew, everything’s in the open now. Your dirty tricks have been blown just as surely as my identity and cover. Do you imagine that I’m going to step down? You forget that Valerie was not only my lover but my sensei, my teacher in the ways of the Scientist-Ninja! It was she who taught me the legendary Screaming Whirlwind form! I will never surrender! No further will you war against me and mine from the safety of a computer! I swear vengeance! I swear that I will resheath my sword wet with your blood! The war is coming to you, Drew, and I swear on my ancestors that I shall avenge your crimes against Valerie and I if if is the last thing I do on this earth!


R132334
4 years ago
sisyphus

Contingency – you really shouldn’t insert your personal dislike for snark into this discussion, it isn’t becoming of you. Besides, this thread is about how much drew hates snark, or how nutty drew is, or something.


R132336
4 years ago
neverknwo

R132337
4 years ago
Continuity

“I love da Snark.”
—Joe

No way, Joe? That’s great. Maybe you can lead the charge to get Drew banned. Or have you started that yet?...

“5 for this discussion thread”
—Silverback

Got that right. Me2.


R132339
4 years ago
Continuity

Sisyphus, thanks for your comments. I haven’t even put much thought into the accusation that Snark is teh sekret CIA astrobiologist asset. It’s entirely unprovable anyway, unless Drew can produce more evidence.

But I really should be all over Drew, right? Like join the big dogpile? I’ll get right on that.


R132341
4 years ago
sisyphus

But I really should be all over Drew, right? Like join the big dogpile? I’ll get right on that

Up to you man. I personally have a hard time leaving absolutely bat-shit stuff like this alone.


R132344
4 years ago
deadduck

This thread is fucking amazing.

Seriously.

Is this what it comes down to when someone consistently disagrees with you Drew? Has the endless meme of forced dichotomy really gotten that bad? Snark isn’t with you, so therefore he’s against you. You are not a CIA shill (so you say) therefore your archnemesis must be! You might as well just out him as a witch. I mean, your crops are withered, and his aren’t, and he’s your enemy, so what more do you need?

This is the kind of shit that the Republicans have been working on for years – the destruction of the middle ground and rational discourse. Everything must be diametrically opposed. That way, when you have one truth, you own all truth. Moderate viewpoints are for pussies. Let’s everyone be radical in our own unique and totally homogenized way! Together now! Way to buy into the program and still think you’re a badass outsider.

For all of your pimping of your M.A., you’re a bit of a dumbass. Stringing together long and often unrelated words doesn’t make your ideas revolutionary. Making specious links to other things just doesn’t work all of the time, or even most of the time. And purposefully being obfuscating in regards to what your point is (I’m speaking generally here) and answering with things like “You’d have to read my blog. All of it.” is pointless and deliberately unhelpful.

So in closing, google up Occam’s Razor. You’re a big fan of telling people to research your shit themselves, so there you go.

And another thing: GNN is not an activist site. Saying doesn’t make it so. It’s a self-described alternative media site, and while the S & A have made their own encouragements towards activism, that’s not going to be why everyone is here. Some people, yes, and I applaud that. But S & A are primarily journalists. So news it is.

People are going to come here for a variety of reasons, and I think that’s a good thing.

In closing, please tone down the douchebaggery. For the comment you made to eep and the half-assed apology, I hope someone sets you on fire. And then douses you with bleach. And leaves you to rot as your sun-bloated corpse feeds strays.

Love, luck, and lollipops,

dd

PS – The best response to this you could possibly post is a snippet of an article on resonance, a bit about solar flares, and a smattering of inverse force-magnetics and their use in high frequency deep space listening stations as they relate to grid-computing. Because I just read this book called Supramolecular Complexes of Conjugated Polyelectrolytes with Poly(ethylene oxide): Multifunctional Luminescent Semiconductors Exhibiting Electronic and Ionic Transport and it will fucking blow your mind.


R132346
4 years ago
alexander

But I really should be all over Drew, right? Like join the big dogpile? I’ll get right on that.

I personally think he has suffered quite enough in all fairness. It will be a long time before people forget about this one.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 18:52:54

R132347
4 years ago
Chickenma1

R132348
4 years ago
Snark

I’m having a moment! Don’t spoil this!


R132349
4 years ago
Snark

I personally think he has suffered quite enough in all fairness.

Alexander, forgive me- but not for a long shot. I want people to remember this. And I’ll bring it up at every opportunity.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 18:59:18

R132357
4 years ago
peacemaker

You mean there is a point to all this?, Besides humour?

I for one think it is wonderfully funny.

AND a good argument for Chat.

Or is this our chat at the moment?

Kudos to Snark for keeping his sense of humour.

And yes Snark, I think we will remember this one for a long time, we do tend to remember the moments we laugh the hardest.


R132358
4 years ago
alexander

Alexander, forgive me- but not for a long shot. I want people to remember this. And I’ll bring it up at every opportunity

Well, as the “offended” party, that is certainly your privilege. :) But I am not sure there is much even you can do that he has not done to himself already at this point.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 19:22:07

R132360
4 years ago
sisyphus

his calculating posts on nanotechnology

SMP-ROFL

dd – nice, you don’t happen to have a sockpuppet called ___ronin do you?


R132368
4 years ago
peacemaker

Maybe we could discuss this in IRC real time chat.

Since we dont have a chat here.

irc.deoxy.org:6667 #gnn


R132371
4 years ago
sisyphus

I’m banned from deoxy


R132374
4 years ago
Snark

Sis- do you mean The38thRonin? That was me.


R132375
4 years ago
whateveryousay

jeff,

you are such a fukin tool

87 this fuk wadder:

ps.

jus kiddn n sht


R132376
4 years ago
sisyphus

oh, heh. Now I feel dumb.


R132377
4 years ago
Snark

That was OK, I only used him on special occasions, and with help.


R132378
4 years ago
deadduck

sis – ___ronin? As in an alternate nick?

Nope, if I’ve got something to say, I’ll use my one and only.


R132380
4 years ago
sisyphus

dd – see above


R132381
4 years ago
peacemaker

Sis

Is it an IP ban on the channel?


R132384
4 years ago
neverknwo

OMFG!

Is that a spook I think I see on that piece of toast?


R132385
4 years ago
sisyphus

Is it an IP ban on the channel?

only kidding, I am awaiting my weekly NWO communique and instructions so can’t chat anyway.


R132386
4 years ago
neverknwo

Is Snark selling his Spook Box on E-bay right now since drew exposed him?

Suckers walk, money talks!
But it can’t touch my three lock box!
Uh! Oh, yeah!
Mysteries of the days of old
You find the key, you got the gold
One, two, three lock box
One, two, three lock box
One, two, three lock box
One, two, three lock box
Treasure’s here, sunken there
Buried treasure’s everywhere

Post Modified: 03/03/06 19:50:58

R132387
4 years ago
Continuity

Okay, so what’s the deal? Professor Hughes openly tries to wow the CIA with a computer program, an act which is not really that uncommon at all. There’s thousands of professors scraping like the parasites they usually are to get funding from the cash-rich national security complex. It has a presence in most universities. The CIA is academic-friendly, and does a lot of their asset pimping there.

But how do we leap from Hughes to Snark in a single bound?

I’d like to hear from both parties. And wait til I get my popcorn out of the oven…


R132388
4 years ago
Snark

The CIA is academic-friendly, and does a lot of their asset pimping there.

True. But not to my kind of academic. I don’t think the CIA really cares too much about microbial ecologists. And the guilt-by-assosciation thing is pretty weak.


R132389
4 years ago
sisyphus

One remaining question I have is what the answer is to drew’s title “Why Snark Is C.I.A.” is? He only claimed that snark was CIA, and did not explain why. Nor did snark’s detailed history answer the question directly.


R132391
4 years ago
Snark

It was the money.


R132392
4 years ago
Continuity

I don’t think the CIA really cares too much about microbial ecologists

I’d agree. The only hypothetical way you could be of use is that your academic position could be a cover. A cover to do what? Write a spooky book? I don’t see anything going on there, even if you were to travel, using this cover.

Not that I understand Drew’s leap, but what relationship do you have with Prof Hughes? I’m asking you this to clear this up.


R132393
4 years ago
Joe

“No way, Joe? That’s great. Maybe you can lead the charge to get Drew banned.”

I don’t really care about drew’s Internet Vendetta, I just don’t like the fact that it’s suddenly ok to use real names on the forum just because our names are available on other websites.

I appreciate you calling me out though, thank you for your time.


R132394
4 years ago
Snark

None at all, actually. He wasn’t in my department (or any of the departments I took classes in), I never met him, and I’d only even heard his name once or twice. I did a major in the bio department and a minor with geography.

Also, the museum I worked for never had a climate change exhibit, funded by the CIA or otherwise.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 20:08:00

R132395
4 years ago
Joe

“But how do we leap from Hughes to Snark in a single bound?”

Are you actually asking this question seriously?


R132396
4 years ago
Continuity

All I know about the elite and ecologists is that the ‘left’ UN-types happen to have a thing for conservation.


R132397
4 years ago
neverknwo

Agreed Poo man is a NWO shill…...........


R132398
4 years ago
Continuity

Joe, I’m asking because I’d like Drew and Snark to clear this up. Seems like Snark is game. Maybe Drew will return to describe how he made this leap.

EDIT: Drew explained that he felt it was okay to use Snark’s name because the latter already made it publically available (or is this true?). Personally, I think it was unwise for Snark to make his name available, and unwise for Drew to use it. Nobody should be banned.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 20:11:28

R132399
4 years ago
Snark

I dearly hope so. I have some thoughts to share with him, myself.


R132401
4 years ago
Snark

My name was on my article. My place of residence, work, and the various other items he mentioned was not, and he was not free to disperse that information.

However, it would behoove him to remember- if he reads this- that his name is not exactly a secret either, and that Google works for everybody. And that people who feel threatened are not predictable.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 20:22:44

R132404
4 years ago
eepicheep

dd thank you for confirming how half-assed that was.

So, Continuity, no one should publish articles here, then?


R132405
4 years ago
eepicheep

And that people who don’t like seeing other people threatened tend to be less than as nice as is commonly assumed.


R132407
4 years ago
Snark

dd thank you for confirming how half-assed that was.

It was really pretty far beyond half-assed. I found it tremendously revealing, actually- for someone who relentlessly whores his moral superiority, making a vicious crack like that was quite out of persona. I’ve felt for a while that Drew was utterly unconcerned with anybody but himself- utterly self centered and totally unable to understand how to relate normally to other people.


R132408
4 years ago
ZenSwashbuckler

(Puff, puff, pant, gasp, sigh…)

Ok, I’m here now. The situation is under control. What’d I miss?


R132412
4 years ago
eepicheep

zen, basically you just missed that drew is more the despicable piece of shit than one would have imagined from his general high-handed attitude.


R132413
4 years ago
Snark

Just read the first few posts in the thread and you’ll understand, Zen. Outing my name was about a tenth of it, if that- the person that got attacked worst in this thread was eepi, the one who least deserved it.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 20:55:45

R132414
4 years ago
Continuity

Eepicheep,

This is is an uncommon forum where people go to town with insults (to the point of making others furious). Not to mention all the inflexible opinions. I don’t get it myself, but it happens nonetheless. If you want privacy, I wouldn’t recommend anyone to volunteer their names or hint where they are working. (I’m assuming Snark at least gave some public hints, because I’ve read some of his earlier posts with some of this info. And no, I’m not interested at all in bothering Snark in RL.)

As for Drew, I still don’t know how he made the leap. But something tells me he’s not in any way dangerous.


R132416
4 years ago
neverknwo

Zen,

A GNN Glitch sends drew skitzo?


R132417
4 years ago
ZenSwashbuckler

Since Snark is CIA, that was my FEMA schtick. Needs a little work, uh?


R132418
4 years ago
Snark

I’d tend to agree. If I thought he were threatening me, I’d be a threat to him, and my demeanor would be quite different.


R132419
4 years ago
neverknwo

But Snark is Skitzo thinking we give a shit bout his Shill Spook ass online character…........

Post Modified: 03/03/06 21:02:43

R132420
4 years ago
deadduck

Zen – I didn’t get it at first, but let me be the first to say that you’re doing a heck of a job.

:P

btw – there are currently people in the #gnn chat…


R132421
4 years ago
neverknwo

Standing on the poop deck of a wreck – Inferiority complex
Waiting for the tugboat of respect – Inferiority complex

Trying to see the good side of a bad life
Showing real courage with a sad wife
Your soul is full of holes air could blow through
People that you meet don’t want to know you

People are strange when they don’t respect – Inferiority complex
People are mean when they get the chance – Won’t anybody have this dance
People are weird when they don’t respect – Inferiority complex

Are you heel or just a toe?
It’s hard to say cause you feel so low

The man is eyeing and you like a suspect – Inferiority complex
Your every word is something to correct – Inferiority complex

Everything about you repels sunshine
Every deep desire leaves you flat lined
Walking trough the world you leave no traces
You don’t feel a part of any places

People are strange when there’s no respect – Inferiority complex
People are bad when they get the chance – Won’t anybody have this dance
People are strange when there’s no respect – Inferiority complex

It’s hard to say when you’re down so low
So low

Inferior but not a bore
Inferior but not a bore
Inferior but not a bore
Inferior but not a bore

Post Modified: 03/03/06 21:18:55

R132424
4 years ago
Lot08

People all over America have hidden agendas. Millions of people have organized crime or intelligence connections and those two giant powerful multifaceted multicompartmented organizing principles have real ongoing interfacing. Operations COINTELPRO, KAOS, MKULTRA etc have only gotten more diverse and more diffuse. American policy has become more fanatical and more nearly totalitarian over the decades of the cold war and since. Academia is fully interconnectred with the military-industrial-organized crime complex.

REpublican fathers sent their sons into primary school classrooms in the 50s with instructions to talk up America and talk down communism. Meanwhile the military was soon unfolding project Northwoods and the Vietnam war. Propaganda and iimperialism have gone hand in hand. The whole thing is huge and murderous.

A Snark may cause disruption within the ranks of American dissenters with the help of many kinds of cover and co-agents including organized crime ones filling in for first-choice intelligence aspirants.

I feel the chances are probable that Snark is involved with U.S. intelligence directly or through organized crime political/social activities. That Continuity has never gone on to try to help explain organized crimes continued involvement in U.S. intelligence activities is also occasionally suspect.

The chances that Snark/fennec is just simply, often a stupid, foul-mouthed, denigrating piece of shit and not intelligence/organized crime connected is unlikely.


R132426
4 years ago
fennec

The chances that Snark/fennec is just simply, often a stupid, foul-mouthed, denigrating piece of shit and not intelligence/organized crime connected is unlikely.

Word.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 21:44:05

R132427
4 years ago
Snark

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 21:35:46

R132429
4 years ago
neverknwo

Snarkie Poo went to the psychiatrist and complained: “They are saying I have an inferiority complex on GNN.”

“Nothing I can do for you”, said the doc.

“In the CIA Spooks don’t have an inferiority complex… they’re just inferior…”


R132431
4 years ago
Shogo

That Continuity has never gone on to try to help explain organized crimes continued involvement in U.S. intelligence activities is also occasionally suspect.

Awesome.


R132432
4 years ago
Snark

Heh. Yeah. He’s turning on his own, like a wounded wolverine.


R132436
4 years ago
neverknwo

Lets see if your friends were right, and if you are CIA as they said!! remember no one likes Spooks…........

The CIA Spook Test

1. do you find yourself staring at yourself in a mirrior every time you pass by one?

Yes
No
sometimes

2. Are you constantly speaking highly of yourself?

Yes because im absolutly perfect
No, im discusting
sometimes but not in a stuck up way

3. do you think you can get and girl/guy you want?

hell yeah!!
heck nawww
i think i could do well im a b/f or g/f

4. can you get loose and have fun even if it involves you gettin a lil dirty?

no, i have to be completely PERFECTT!!!
yea thats the most fun!!!
olny if its not that much!!

5. do you always walk infront of your friends because its said that the hottest one is always in the front?

yea man im the BOMB DIGITY!!!
no i prefer to stand in the back
depends on who im walking with

6. would you say your conceited?

well daaa cause im the best
no im quiet
i dont kno im just dumb

7. how do you walk?

i arc my back and squeeze in my ass
im like a hunch back
i walk like a normal person

8. do you always have to the perfect clothes?

yeah im always in fashon
naww i like baggy clothes
my clothes is SOO much better then yours!

9. do you like to be the center of attention?

duu arent i always?
no i dont like things or ppl like that
not always

10. are you always worried about your weigh when you weigh the perfect weight?

no im FAT!!! GOSH!!
yeah im 90 pounds but i think i could loose some
no i think im ok how i am

11. do you hurt your other peoples feelings to make yourself look like a cooler person?

some times and im ashamed of it
yeah its cool people like me more
no thats mean

12. do you feel intimidated when you see hot gilrs/guys?

Yes im afraid people wont like me any more
No im prettier than any girl out there
i could care less

13. do you only have pretty friends because you dont want other ppl to think your ugly?

yeah im to good to hang out with ugly ppl
no i dont care what they look like
it depends on how bad they are

14. do you always think things on your body are SOO much nicer then youre friends?

yes because every thing on me is better
naww that makes them feel bad
if they ask me

15. are you quick to judge people based on their looks?

yea because the way the look if the way they act
no thats not the way it always goes
some times

16. do you like to gossip in order to make peoplepl like you?

yeah thats the way it always goes
No, i hate it when ppl do that to me
some times if it really good

17. do you have to walk talk and act perfect in order for people to like you?

Yes
No
some times

18. do you like this test?

Yes
No
its ok

19. has this test helped you in any way

Yes
No
i dont knwo

Post Modified: 03/03/06 22:15:43

R132437
4 years ago
fennec

Zoo man on politix is my code name for the NSA/AZA/J00ish mafia. The crux of my mission is to learn how to train animals to spy for my ZOG overlords…now before anyone thinks this is bullshit, it’s been done before. During the cold war, BF Skinner was hired, who in turn hired the Brelands, to train animals to spy for them. They trained cats, ravens, pigeons, dogs, and several other animals. They actually trained ravens to fly up to windows and take pictures with small cameras then fly back to their CIA masters. I plan, by use of operant conditioning to train many animals for usage by my/your ZOG overlords to spy on members of this message board. You’re all fucked now, bitches.

First, I shall train rabbits, the most evil, yet shrewd animals on the planet to do my bidding. They will be my enforcers.

Phase two involves the usage of sheep which I shall train to seduce neverknwo and his girlfriend/sister and other assorted family members/in laws. After we have successfully made them our assets we will use them for our redneck army.

Step three is all about training dragonflies to mate with the soaring and majestic California condors, mostly cuz it’d look funny.

Next we would train a troop of hamadryas baboons to do the Texas two step. We would begin by desensitizing them to shitty music. The rest we would figure out how to train intuitively.

Finally, the main phase of the plan would be training lot08 to shut the fuck up. I am not sure how we would do this. Maybe make him read some of the stupid shit he types, and/or record his voice (using trained hummingbirds with mics) and play his insane rants back to him.


R132439
4 years ago
ZenSwashbuckler

Step three is all about training dragonflies to mate with the soaring and majestic California condors, mostly cuz it’d look funny.

Methinks our/your ZOG overlords have been watching the South Park and smoking the crack.

Edit: At the same time, obviously. One would think being on control of a whole New World Order would require more imagination than this. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 22:03:10

R132441
4 years ago
Chickenma1

Is neverknwo a girl??!!!



R132442
4 years ago
YT_

Alternate GNN irc chat:

server: ernesto.indymedia.org

channel: #gnn

Free speech, no bans


R132444
4 years ago
ZenSwashbuckler

Is neverknwo a girl??!!!

No, hon – neverknwo is a woman. Never forget that.


R132445
4 years ago
neverknwo

Don’t tell anyone Zen that I’m a Lezzy and CK1 is Hot…..............

Post Modified: 03/03/06 22:20:34

R132446
4 years ago
GiggleFest

_ OK—so my posts didn’t work from the U—I tried four different U computers at two different buildings. I was typing a long post on the U Admin’s disinformation campaign against me—censorship, psy-ops, sabotage. They hacked my computer posts at the U before. That’s freaking spooky. I thought they were going to get me. drew hempel, M.A._

Drew…you are dealing with intellectual midgets here who cannot see past their IQ which mirrors their GPA average. You have to learn to deal with pressure and not sound so paranoid. Remember. You are operating in an institution and there are sadists like Just Lurking everywhere who are ready to prove that you are insane and drug you into submission.

lol

These morons of GNN.tv really have no fucking clue..right there Snark?


R132449
4 years ago
Kcoztips

Agreed! The sooner this creep is rounded up and shoved in an oven and cooked like a little jewpizza the better. It can’t happen soon enough.

The above was posted in this thread by PeglegSue

Must be my morbid sense of humor but this sh*t is funny to me, and what a name… PEG-LEG-SUE ha ha ha ha HAHAHA
I’m sure IZZY will jump on my sh*t for this but what can I say, I’m part German

I can’t believe I read this whole thread either; I really need to start going out on Friday nights again.

Hey Snark! Tell your best friend Drew, his black flying wedges have been flying around here… Actually closer to St. Louis. About five years ago a bunch of cops saw one near LeBanon Il.


R132450
4 years ago
tango

Ok, so I’m way to fucking drunk to even be writing this, but I just wanted to say that Snarks reaction was fucking priceless, as was this thread, thanks for everyone for their contribution, thanks for forbes for kicking so much ass, and as soon as I stop seeing triple, I’ll read the rest of this shit. Later!


R132452
4 years ago
tango

oh, and Eep, I hope your ok.


R132459
4 years ago
eepicheep

Thank you, tango. I’m ok. I was livid, of course, but I do realize that drew is completely batshit. You are very sweet.


R132463
4 years ago
Continuity

That Continuity has never gone on to try to help explain organized crimes continued involvement in U.S. intelligence activities is also occasionally suspect.

Lot08, I truly appreciate your curiosity about my blogs. Seriously. Since I don’t believe in smartassing people who are honestly curious, I will tell you straight up why I let my blog hang for a long time…

1. After finishing the last entry, almost a year ago, I became very busy with a side project that took up months of my spare time.
2. Finishing that, I was very burnt out and sought out hours of aimless fun.
3. Now I am back to historical research, when time permits.
4. The latest Intel-Mob stuff I am researching is detailed and highly controversial. The going is slow because I want to write something that can stand up to criticism, and something that has different sides to the story.


R132464
4 years ago
Continuity

And for those of you wondering what a CIA asset in real-life looks like, here is an example. Shifty posted an article (Shifty’s good at finding them, isn’t he?), and the article is written by veteran Washington Post reporter, Walter Pincus.

Walter Pincus has long been considered by many to be a CIA asset, writing from a newspaper with old intelligence (Mockingbird) ties.

Now why would Pincus be criticizing the Pentagon? It’s because a big chunk of the CIA despises a big chunk of the Pentagon, and Pincus has been given the ammo, yet again, to express the CIA’s frustration at seeing its power being sucked away while the Pentagon’s power burgeons. This is called bureaucratic turf war stuff, which bubbles up to the surface regularly these days.

Post Modified: 03/03/06 23:57:01

R132465
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Where’s Snark? He is inside our computers.


R132467
4 years ago
sisyphus

now that fetch has posted this shit is totally complete


R132470
4 years ago
sisyphus

tango – Ok, so I’m way to fucking drunk to even be writing this

no you’re not – you ever read a memnoch post?


R132472
4 years ago
sisyphus

contingency – Shifty’s good at finding them, isn’t he?

goddamn that shit is strange isn’t it? And the hours he spends on posting stuff and whatnot? If anyone is paid to post here it is shitshapers.


R132474
4 years ago
yeshappysteady

“and there are sadists like Just Lurking everywhere who are ready to prove that you are insane” – GiggleFest

You’re insane?

happy?

Post Modified: 03/04/06 01:15:48

R132477
4 years ago
sisyphus

cite sources pole-toucher. this thread is way too long


R132478
4 years ago
Continuity

That darn Shifty. Darn him and his excellent linking skills.

And Sisyphus, please, it’s not becoming of you to pick on “Shitshapers,” as you call the man. This thread is about grouphugging Snark and lighting Drew on fire, as you reminded me on page 3. Thank you.


R132479
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

well, i’m back from the bar. 2:23 am here. i can’t believe this is the way you all spent your friday night.


R132480
4 years ago
sisyphus

contingency – shifty likes my picking on him. Twas a joke man. And “shitshapers” was a typo. I love you man.


R132499
4 years ago
Lot08

The intelligence connections to the mob are real and important. The mob has assets inside and outside of vast union workforces, all over the professions that clearly include entertainment and sports, but also include medical, legal and academic communities and all professions, in every small business venue and inside the corporations. These assets have been exactly why U.S. intelligence has formed a bond with them, much more so than for drug ride-alongs for fast operation cash, in fact, the CIA has had its own drug operations for some time now that haven’t depended on organized crime. I appreciate Continuity’s efforts to review mob history, hopefully to help explain more about how mob penetration of American society has been used by and against U.S. intelligence and what a mess 20th and 21st century American history has been because of this.


R132501
4 years ago
Dennis

I went to get a DOT physical and while there I spoke to the doctor about people who work in restaurants having to obtain health cards proving they were healthy. No diseases, parasites, etc.

The doctor said and I quote: “Health cards are no longer required to work in the food industry. You should have seen the people that came in here to get health cards before the law change. They had all kinds of diseases and bugs. She (the doctor) said she never goes out to eat. She stated that, the food we eat out is dangerous.”

I agreed with her. I went to a Tunica Casino and ate at the buffet and within a month. The news reported that the health department was giving away free shots for hepetitus C if you had eaten at that very same casino during that alotted time period. The employees were infected with Hepetitus C and they were handling the food and breathing, coughing, eating on the same utensiles.

Needless to say I went and got the shot.

Speaking of Casinos. They are owned by Italians, the odds are against you, and the hired lobor are Hatians and other Africans, who barely speak English.

I don’t go there anymore. I’d rather keep my money and health.

As to AnFony seeking hot males…

I firmly believe homosexuality is mental illness. No one is born that way. Becoming Queer is a choice of life style and it’s sick!

The mere idea of sticking my penis up someone elses shit tube and getting fecal matter on my tool is absolutely disgusting and SICK!

Queers deserve what they get when choosing to be homosexual.

AIDS


R132508
4 years ago
MattHeikkila

That’s what happened to my to my mom


R132510
4 years ago
Continuity

Sisyphus, I’m having fun with you. Some satire. It’s okay. Ilove you too .

This thread has increased GNN’s voltage by 200%. It’s great.


R132512
4 years ago
Dennis

What better to celebrate a victory over Jehovian ignorance than to devour a cake symbolic of the Jewish god itself: the bagel.

So off I trounced to the local bagel factory, a small deli type establishment called “Noach’s Bagel’s, the Home of G-d’s Original Formula.”

So in I walked and there was greeted by a smiling middle-aged Jewish woman wearing an apron that read, “Never Forget. Support Israel!”

“Gee” I thought, “this must be the real deal! You dont get more Jewish than that apron!” So I smiled at the proprietess.


R132516
4 years ago
faelnarr

Snark is the deux ex machina.
Snark is the deux ex machina.
Snark is the deux ex machina.
Snark is the deux ex machina.
Snark is the deux ex machina.
Snark is the deux ex machina.
Snark is the deux ex machina.
Snark is the deux ex machina.

...


R132517
4 years ago
Memnoch01

_tango – Ok, so I’m way to fucking drunk to even be writing this

no you’re not – you ever read a memnoch post?_

At least you didnt put “memnoch post” in quotatoin marks. That would have hurt.


R132567
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

This is called bureaucratic turf war stuff, which bubbles up to the surface regularly these days.

yeah and a lot of times, that’s how truth comes out. let them fight and write about it,. maybe we’ll learn something.


R132569
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

besides, there are infiltrators and rogue agents in place within every intelligence and law enforcement agency.


R132571
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

places a kabbalistic spell on df

now you’re going to sprout ear-locks, and there’s NOTHING you can do about it! muah ha ha ha ha!

Mazeltov, Bitchez!


R132719
4 years ago
peacemaker

Maybe that is what Drew is trying to do.

ShiftShapers

This is called bureaucratic turf war stuff, which bubbles up to the surface regularly these days.

yeah and a lot of times, that’s how truth comes out. let them fight and write about it,. maybe we’ll learn something.

I dont normally read the forum, but I have been wondering lately, why, Everything, Drew says is discounted (of course the comment to Eepi was low) I bet people thought Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Einstein, Tesla, Nietzche, King, etc were nuts also, in their time of course

Not that I agree or anything, just a thought.

And By The Way, for the record, I dont believe Snark is CIA, heck he helped create Forbes and is in Bronco Country, he cant be all bad ;)


R132726
4 years ago
fennec

drew?


R132734
4 years ago
Continuity

No one can deny that the evidence I presented demonstrates the CIA at Snark’s university and his Museum work have funded the specific area of research Snark has worked on.
—Drew

The Museum work…


R132739
4 years ago
Lot08

From the current supplementary thread entitled:

GNN Paid Government Shills

Kcoztips 22 hours ago

Sometimes psyops are well-covered and sometimes they are left discovered. There are advantages in both forms of interface. On a site like this, a hidden pysop may try to provoke felonies, other prohibitted acts and it may try to develop contacts to people in groups. An obvious or readily suspected presence may have as its purpose to inhibit certain expression or even get persons to drop out

Good point Lot08

Snark 22 hours ago with his usual attacks against this very serious, earnest dissident who has already been imprisoned in U.S. federal detention for three years (January 2002-December 2004) for a 1999 e-mail to ABC.online that was a 9/11 tip.

Somebody totally needs to burn Lot08’s house down

Post Modified: 03/04/06 17:57:13

R132748
4 years ago
fennec

Snark 22 hours ago with his usual attacks against this very serious, earnest dissident who has already been imprisoned in U.S. federal detention for three years (January 2002-December 2004) for a 1999 e-mail to ABC.online that was a 9/11 tip.

Who the fuck are you trying to fool? You were convicted for child pornography and sexually assaulting mentally disabled senior citizens. It is a matter of public record. They have video evidence (filming your exploits is stupid, R Kelly.), DNA evidence (not sure how you planned on getting out of that one, OJ), and a signed confessional by you.


R132752
4 years ago
Lot08

Nope, it was this:

This is from my pro se writ for a certoriori to the Supreme Court for its October, 2005 session, which was denied. Everything is the same as in the writ and is publicly attainable, except that I have inserted my GNN name in place of my real name, for the time being.

Here is the text and form of the May 19th 1999 e-mail that was transmitted from Mexico by the Petitioner and received in Los Angeles that same day:
—————————————————————-

From: Lot08 Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 2:18 PM To: ABC Online Webmaster
Subject: Revolutionary Mercy in Exchange for Atonement by ABC Network

HIV blood drenched glass shards exploded in all directions in corporate conference rooms, acid thrown in faces of clerks and receptionists, secretaries and boy Fridays pushed onto subway tracks, a new strain of smallpox released into exhibition arenas and more acts of furious judgment against totalitarian America will be carried out in the very near future, accompanied by still greater ferocious tornadoes, earthquakes larger than Northridge and hurricanes more damaging than Andrew, volcanic eruptions, fires, floods, pestilence and every form of plague upon America’s Pharaohs and their first born.

A new epoch of revolutionary justice, under God, is in store for mankind and America will be a special example. ABC is a real probable target during the generation of rage which is about to unfold as it is under special consideration for attacks as described above, since I complained about it to communicative links with revolutionary terrorists.

ABC has caused real and substantial damage to me and my revolutionary work and without lawyers and without consideration of statutes of limitation, I have offered their personnel, involved in crimes against me and the salvational revolutionary movement, the opportunity to reach a monetary settlement with me.

Now, the ante has gone up to $250,000.00. ABC lawyers lawyers: Discuss my offer with me to compensate me for damages and pain and suffering and in order to carry out my revolutionary work, which will include self-publishing my book in progress—A NEW MILLENNIUM REVOLUTIONARY MANIFESTO. [Capitals in original]
Enter into negotiations with me and I will try to take your firm off of the existing list for future terrorist attacks as describe[d] above.

If you do not not discuss this situation with me, even in order to have just acted in a reasonable communicative form for the purpose of being able to show the courts in future negligence and wrongful death suits that there had been no possibility that the complaintant had information regarding terrorist designs against ABC which may have been able to have been deterred, you will pay dearly.

If you do not discuss my offer with me and your personnel and/or other members of your geographical community are murdered or mass murdered in the ways indicated, or in other ways which may be accompanied by information to the effect that the killings were meant to signal, in part, punishment for your corporation’s damages to me and to my revolutionary work, then you will be vulnerable to enormous damage suits for negligence and wrongful death by the surviving family members of your communities, in addition to your moral responsibility for the very loss of life itself.

If you do not respond within 30 days, I will not offer you the same amicable cooperation which I am willing to offer you today in this message.
My real name and an address in the U.S. where my credit cards were currently billed and paid appeared here.

—————————————————————-
The following day, on May 20th 1999, the 2nd e-mail has added in the “To” address section three print media receivers: letters nytimes.com, editors newsweek.com, letters @time.com. Also, the word “probable” is changed to “possible” and a word in the seventh paragraph, “complainant,” is changed to “aggrieved party.” In the final paragraph of the e-mail text there is the change “If you do not respond in 30 days…” to “If you do not respond within 29 days….” And, finally, an instruction is added to the electronic carbon copy-indicated print media, after the end of the body of the second e-mail, which said: ”(instruction to print media): BACKGROUND-NOT FOR RELEASE until further notice; filing this material for reference and future use is suggested.”

Petitioner was taken by the FBI from Mexico and incarcerated in New York federal detention on January 18, 2002. He was held in federal detention from January 18, 2002 through trial that ran from July 14 to July 18, 2003 and then until sentencing in December 2003. Jury had been deadlocked at trial, but then found petitioner guilty as charged after an Allen Charge broke the deadlock. Petitioner was sentenced to “time served” on December 19, 2003 and was placed in detention in a federal halfway house for one year.


R132827
4 years ago
MarchHare

What the fuck is that email about? God damn you are a lunatic.


R132846
4 years ago
Joe

Isn’t that just a letter saying that you want a quarter of a million dollars or else? Smart move… what did you expect to happen? man.. with Gs like these, who needs republicans.


R132861
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

God damn you are a lunatic.

Do you think he is an eccentric or do you think he is just plain insane?


R132933
4 years ago
ZenSwashbuckler

And anyway, lest there still be some miniscule danger of anyone taking any of this shit too seriously, I have the final word to lay the notion to rest, as quoted by Tlaloc:

“Princess Leia’s most important feature are the prominent STANDING SPIRAL RESONANCE WAVES ON THE SIDE OF HER HEAD!!”

-Drew Hemple, crazy motherfucker


R132955
4 years ago
Lot08

Listen, Joe, I missed a quick response to you because it’s just breakfast time here.
Several months before the e-mail, I had some online chats with people i think in Germany on a kind of a radical website. The chitchat was about financial institutions and media in U.S. that were considered particularly representative of world capitalist dominance. I mentioned ABC and another company and someone said they’d be on “a list.” Sort of speculation started going about mild to extreme fates of the listed, which I did not make a comment upon. Some wild scenarios did develop, which I observed and some of it turned out to be just like 9/11. A few months later, I put together a composite “vision” which I spliced into natural disaster scenarios. Very edgy free speech, but not lunatic.

The e-mail did not say “pay or die.” The e-mail did not say that I was in control of the biblical-like apocalyptic scenario or any future death scene that might have decided to leave a sign that the events had a relationship to LOT (as, let’s say, in Sodom and Gommorah). The e-mail said that “I would try to take them off the list” and no money would have passed hands, just “discussion.” Actually, I was looking to get ABC to listen to the whole story of the “lists” and the scenarios. Look at the e-mail carefully. ABC’s whole “Legal Department “ was being urged to talk with me without having to put up a cent. The e-mail, in and of itself, does not advise “pay or die.” It’s frightening, yes, but it is, objectively, not “pay or die.” It urges communication, discussion and exploration.

Granted, it is intense, frightening and does announce a monetary settlement figure for claimed damages to the writer. Nevertheless, the whole thing is open to discussion “even to just show courts in future…that I had no real knowledge” even to just show a “reasonable communication” effort. How is that “pay or die.” Look at that.

Don’t be a Canadian version of a U.S. federal prosecutor who distorts the objective language. It is not “pay or die” given any fully objective fair reading.

You know, everyone competes with each other to get any response from the giant media. The e-mail is to the ABC.online, not an executive in his office in a PM or a phone call at night or a meeting in a dark alley.

Please. As agitating as the fucking e-mail was, it is not “pay or die” and it could have been dealt with through discussion.

Post Modified: 03/05/06 17:23:34

R132957
4 years ago
Chickenma1

“Don’t be a Canadian version of a U.S. federal prosecutor who distorts the objective language. It is not “pay or die” given any fully objective fair reading.”

LOT08: The value of a communication is in the reception, not the delivery. You need to put yourself in your listeners’ ears before you speak and try to make sense that is accessible to them. You seem to be deliberately obtuse or mysterious, ie. dangerous.


R132959
4 years ago
Joe

“The e-mail did not say “pay or die.” “

But don’t you think that’s irrelevant when you say “Give me $250,000” and “if people are mass murdered, it’s your fault because you didn’t pay me!” (paraphrasing, of course, but that’s essentially what I read). It sounds threatening, even if you meant it as a light hearted greeting, or whatever.

If you just wanted to talk them out of being murdered because of your crazy friends who are apparently after them, why bring up the money at all? Of course they’ll call the cops, and of course you’ll be arrested, because you want in their vault. If it was just a threatening letter (I’m sure they get enough of them) you might have gotten away with three or four.

“It is not “pay or die” given any fully objective fair reading.”

Newsflash: people don’t respond “objectively” when you demand money and bring up ‘the possibility of’ mass murder. People think of their families, friends, etc. You’re talking about killing people as punishment for some harm done to you, and you apparently value money over their lives.

It’s sad to see that you’ve bought into the current american administrations vision of things – give us something or risk being mass murdered.

It’s this black/white, line-drawn-in-the-sand line of thinking that will kill us all in the end, I fear.

Post Modified: 03/05/06 17:37:44

R133015
4 years ago
jwijn

drew?

Drew Hempel has been disappeared.


R133018
4 years ago
Number5Toad

It’s this black/white, line-drawn-in-the-sand line of thinking that will kill us all in the end, I fear

very well said, joe…and it always makes me a little sad to see that kind of thought pattern from people who claim to oppose it when it comes from the people in power.


R133034
4 years ago
Snark

This thread has turned into teh hellyeah. It’s got the same flavor as OMFG v 1.0, but different….truly a spectacle.


R133036
4 years ago
Snark

It is not “pay or die” given any fully objective fair reading

Ah, casuistry. Always attractive.


R133037
4 years ago
Chickenma1

Good one – I had to look that up!


R133041
4 years ago
Lot08

The First Amendment demands that you give the speaker every possible benefit of the doubt. The point of the First Amendment is to avoid prosecuting any speech by force of law. A duel would have been preferred at the time of the writing of the first amendment rather than having the government step in between people arguing, intimidating or even threatening each other.

The e-mail does not say “pay this amount or else” verbatim or as a paraphrase. The e-mail says that the writer feels his claims are worth money, but negotiations over a price tag have been known to break down. Negotiating doesn’t entail paying. The only price for getting to see if the writer might be able to relieve the corporation’s worry (if they even really had one) is to sit down with the writer or communicate with the writer and then the writer is supposed “to try to” get the corporation relief. No money changing hands. The writer, presumably will also have a forum to try to make his case for his claim and reach “a settlement.” A settlement is a mutually ageeable result. A settlement is a legal term and the proposal is made to the corporation’s lawyers, i.e. the whole law department, not just one hapless, frightened executive.

The e-mail is a publishable piece, the opening apocalyptic lines of which can be looked at as presaging 9/11. It is political and religious in its imagery and vision.
It deserves the protection of the First Amendment.

The paraphrasing and the intensity and persistence of the paraphrasing that distorts a reading of the e-mail that would concede to the author the First Amendment right of free speech in warning about a violent future that may only possibly include ABC.online (and not because they may pay to get out of it, expecially because the writer does not say he can get them out of it — they may be stuck as potential targets no matter what the writer may try on their behalf — there is no guaranteed relief) because the e-mail warns that a major “judgment” is coming for all of mankind and America in particular.

The posters who have responded should be looked at as corporate shills, if not U.S. intelligence ones (I’ve been in a struggle with the MIC for decades).

Post Modified: 03/06/06 01:39:53

R133056
4 years ago
Snark

Thanks for making this thread even more bitchin’. I could argue with you, but it seems that this thread is stimulating every jabbering freak on this site to completely obliterate their own credibility and relevance in spectacular fashion. So go on, please continue- here’s some more rope.

Post Modified: 03/06/06 05:19:46

R133061
4 years ago
Joe

“(I’ve been in a struggle with the MIC for decades).”

Do you send them letters? Telling them zee Germans have them on a list? Post them too!


R133080
4 years ago
Number5Toad

lot: ABC is a real probable target during the generation of rage which is about to unfold as it is under special consideration for attacks as described above, since I complained about it to communicative links with revolutionary terrorists

that’s a direct quote from your email. you mean to tell me that you never even thought someone might take that as a direct threat?


R133083
4 years ago
Snark

it is under special consideration for attacks as described above

I think this just bears repeating. As does the idea that direct threats against person or property are not remotely covered by the First Amendment.

/me hands Lot08 some more rope. This noose is gonna be a fuckin’ masterpiece.


R133102
4 years ago
eepicheep

If you figure out what to Google, all will be revealed.


R133104
4 years ago
neverknwo

Will I find a pile of Poo at the end of the Rainbow?

Post Modified: 03/06/06 08:00:57

R133111
4 years ago
eepicheep

One man’s poo may be Pure Gold™ to another.


R133114
4 years ago
Snark

Forbes hears ‘pure gold’, comes arunning, and is disappointed to only find a pile of fake shit.

Forbes takes out his frustration on Neverknwe and eats his face.


R133119
4 years ago
eepicheep

The clues are all on this page. R132752

R133080

Think Thomas Pynchon titles. The Crying of Lot 49 will lead you to Gravity’s Rainbow.


R133254
4 years ago
fennec

I thought drew was going to tell us the whole story of why Snark is CIA. Why did he originally make that choice?


R133262
4 years ago
sisyphus

eepi – are you trying to make my brain hurt?


R133328
4 years ago
eepicheep

Sorry, sis. I actually almost got rid of that post, thinking that I was making it too easy haha.


R133332
4 years ago
Number5Toad

yeah…..yeah, no, i don’t get it either.


R133335
4 years ago
deadduck

I’m normally pretty good with the googling, but I don’t know what you’re on about, eep.

And I got bored reading a summary of a Pynchon novel, so that didn’t help me at all. :P


R133337
4 years ago
sisyphus

eepi is laughing at us all – I am pretty sure she is obfuscating a connection that doesn’t exist.

And I got bored reading a summary of a Pynchon novel, so that didn’t help me at all

Burn the heretic.


R133348
4 years ago
Wombat

A guy by the name of ??????? wrote an inertesting article called “????????????????????????????????“.

Probably worth a read.

Post Modified: 03/06/06 17:04:00

R133349
4 years ago
eepicheep

hahaha! I’m laughing, yes. I am obfuscating, but there is a connection. Maybe I threw you off with the crying and rainbow stuff.

Toad gave me the idea when he said, that’s a direct quote from your email.

In the email, there is something you can quote directly into Google for a result.


R133350
4 years ago
eepicheep

Wombat, would you be so kind as to edit the name of the guy out of your post?

Thanks for taking his name out.

Post Modified: 03/06/06 17:40:43

R133351
4 years ago
eepicheep

(Wombat got it)


R133353
4 years ago
Wombat

It was so obvious I thought I must have been wrong.


R133354
4 years ago
Snark

/me is mystified as bleeding hell.


R133358
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

I think I got it, eep!!!!

Googled probable target during the generation of rage

And who’s blog should hit first try???

reprehensors’ The 9/11 Dopplegangers

Lot’s email is there as well, with extra info.

Did I get it??? :-)


R133360
4 years ago
Snark

Bloody ‘ell.


R133361
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

Elementary my dear Watson.

lol


R133366
4 years ago
eepicheep

Try Googling a title within the email. That’s what Wombat did.

Hint: IT SHOULD STAND OUT CLEARLY [capitals in original]


R133369
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

Bloody’ell.

I got it.


R133370
4 years ago
eepicheep

If that’s not an example of crying as in The Crying of Lot08 I don’t know what is.

Not crying like an auctioneer. Crying like one crying in the wilderness perhaps.

And that is the Pure Gold™ at the end of the rainbow.


R133379
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

© 1999

Um….


R133391
4 years ago
eepicheep

This manifesto was originally issued on August 24 1998 under the title of deleted and subsequently under the title of deleted, which has a 1999 U.S. copyright registration. I have also had occasion to use title deleted and several other titles as working titles while making proofreading, editing and some other small changes of substance over these years. Copies of the various versions have been mailed or sent electronically one or more times to, among others: [then] Vice President Albert Gore, [then]First Lady Hillary Clinton and the New York City branch office of the FBI; Senators Trent Lott, Arlen Spector, [then Senator] Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Charles Schumer, Christopher Dodd and Richard Lugar; Representatives Newt Gingrich, Charles Rangel and Sue Kelly; Mayors Tom Murphy of Pittsburgh and Rudolph Giuliani of New York, as well as to the NYPD’s Internal Affairs Bureau; the AP, UPI, New York Times, Washington Post, New York Review of Books, GQ and Playboy Magazine, ABC television and the William Morris Agency; the Carter Center and the University of Pittsburgh; and, several foreign leaders and officials.


R133418
4 years ago
deadduck

I see, eep.

I guess this just goes to show that it’s not that hard to find out who someone is on the internet. (No, I have no plans to disseminate anything or cause any trouble for anyone. I’m just an inquisitive person)

Although I never found what I was really interested in.


R133424
4 years ago
sisyphus

oh, okay.


R133426
4 years ago
eepicheep

Yes, I hope no one uses this to cause any trouble. That was not my intention. (I’m inquisitive also and there is just WAY too much info out there.)


R133469
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Why would the title matter?


R133476
4 years ago
Chickenma1

I found it! Same old LOT, though – I thought he’d turn out to be black ops.


R133477
4 years ago
Lot08

ABC is a real probable target during the generation of rage which is about to unfold as it is under special consideration for attacks as described above, since I complained about it to communicative links with revolutionary terrorists....

it is under special consideration for attacks as described above....

The First Amendment forbade Congress to make any law restricting freedom of speech. There is no other language like it in the Constitution. Many decades passed before this became modified; you could have directly threatened someone and they might have shot you in self defense, but the federal government would not become involved — a state government might. Then, threats against the president became proscribed by law and later other add ons including certain direct threats. The First Amendment became diluted over time, Not that it wasn’t intended to protect threats from the federal government; it was intended and did protect all speech from the federal government.

First Amendment protections have thus withered and most GNN’rs are quite aware that they are under more threat than ever today.

This is why it is disheartening and even spooky to find several corporation and Department of Justice type shills here and no simply good solid, reasonable alternative explanations for the rhetoric of the e-mail, by this author, former doctoral candidate in Rhetoric and Public Address at a university with a long tradition in such studies, along with the fact that freedom of speech is my doctoral dissertation focus.

The point of the still remaining protections of the withering First Amendment is to demand that one look for a way that some reasonable persons could find whatever rhetoric interprettable as not a direct threat; reasonable persons, you know not some desperate Philadelphia lawyer with an absolutely bizarre condition that would need to be satisfied to find that the language is not a true threat, but some regular reasonable persons.

Note the point is not to find a way and to find people who will interpret the language in a way that disqualifies it as free speech, but to see if there are persons that can make a reasonable case that it is.

Right now, the corporate and government shills have been distorting the quotes from the e-mails that open this post as having to be interpretted as direct threats, which under the withered First Amendment should disqualify the language from being free speech.

I submit that reasonable persons should, and many do, see those quotes as warnings about a threat and not as a direct threat or a “true threat.” The language clearly presents a sort of confession about an exchange that got the speaker or author to believe that he had or may have unleashed or contributed to unleashing “real probable” (changed in the second e-mail to “real possible”) targeting of ABC within the context of “a generation of rage” that he was projecting. Does “since” in the sentence mean because he complained or does it mean since the moment he complained. In either case, conspiracy was never charged by the government and all we are left with is that the author found that his talk about a corporation seemed to have gotten that corporation into play or onto a list and there was no evidence or tape or transcript of the full exchange and
on the face of it, it is reasonable to say that the speaker was reporting a possible threat and not making any threat of his own and certainly not making a direct threat.

Post Modified: 03/06/06 21:10:39

R133478
4 years ago
Snark

on the face of it, it is reasonable to say that the speaker was reporting a possible threat and not making any threat of his own and certainly not making a direct threat.

No, it’s not. Fuck off.


R133480
4 years ago
Lot08

Thus, one finds we are right back to the accusation of the thread and are on track, relevant and unmasking as guerrillas with pens and keyboards may be.

Post Modified: 03/06/06 21:13:31

R133482
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Explain brother explain!


R133483
4 years ago
Lot08

Here’s another complimentary example. Drew finds several of us (not me for crissakes) declaring they would probably cut off Snark’s balls and stuff them down his throat some day if they ever ran into him. Drew then PM’s Snark, whom he had observed was not evidently paying attention to the thread’s actual content, as follows:

Balls of evil government and corporate agents severed using ninja methods and western surgical procedures across seven continents…while hurricanes greater than Andrew (and, update—Katrina) submerge more American cities...

Heads up Snark. You are a real probable target, since I complained about you on a GNN thread.

Get in touch with me and apologize to me for your attacks, even though you are a fuckfaced agent, offering rope to real dissidents who have tried to unmask and resist a nearly totalitarian U.S. system. I’ll try and get you cut loose.

If you don’t, and your balls get cut off, then I might wind up fucking your girlfriend. Use your fucking head.

I contend such an absolutely hypothetical post or PM by Drew (please no defamation suits) would represent a warning about a possible threat and not a threat by him. What happened was a consequence of his complaint and he reported it as such. First Amendment.

Post Modified: 03/06/06 21:28:45

R133484
4 years ago
Snark

To clarify, just because I think you’re a mouth-breathing sack of mucus doesn’t necessarily mean I’m a corporate/CIA shill. It just means that I have the perceptiveness and rudeness to tell you that you’re a mouth-breathing sack of mucus.

Edit: you just gained yourself a couple points for a poorly-integrated but worthy ninja reference above, so you get upgraded to irritating asshat status.

Post Modified: 03/06/06 21:30:26

R133491
4 years ago
neverknwo

Is this a Clue?

I just want to remind you that Snark sounds like Snitch plus Nark.

Post Modified: 03/06/06 22:00:31

R133501
4 years ago
Chickenma1

“I submit that reasonable persons should, and many do, see those quotes as warnings about a threat and not as a direct threat or a “true threat.” “

That is until you asked for money – then it’s perceived as extortion.


R133505
4 years ago
Snark

I contend such an absolutely hypothetical post or PM by Drew (please no defamation suits) would represent a warning about a possible threat and not a threat by him.

Yeah, but you said, “my friends and comrades and I will sack your offices, rape your children, and pillage your houses if you don’t give me $250k, in which case I might be able to convince the rest of my posse to spare you.”

You take yourself way too seriously.

Post Modified: 03/06/06 22:29:47

R133527
4 years ago
GiggleFest

Kinda like Jews and Gay Niggers trolling and harassing people with opinions they do now wish for their racist supremacist ears to hear?

Snark…you are clearly a punk with the rest of the Gay Niggers…

I am surprised anyone even bothers with this site anymore…

391 posts and noone just said what is self evident:

GNN.tv, Snark, Just Lurking, and the rest of the core contributors here are basically idiotic flakes whose real knowledge of the world of politics is how to act in a conspiratorial nature to fuck people over….

Everybody…wake the fuck up! This place is a waste of your time.

They harass people.
They are professional trolls.
They dont give a shit about actually getting into the heart of issues – better to giggle and slurp with Gay Niggers and pretend that Jews really are not supremacists under the surface, etc.

Drew…good post…justs adds the drama that is the absurdity of this site…and to think people still want to take all this seriously?

The place is a haven for morons…


R133528
4 years ago
GiggleFest

IMagine that…a conspiratorial flake like Snark telling someone else to “fuck off”...when will the absurdities of GNN.tv ever end!

Oh the drama!

Man we are educating a fucking society of absolute idiots!


R133532
4 years ago
GiggleFest

And btw..if you idiots don’t like the little intrusion…then explain the little Jewish Gay Nigger outburst from your obviously “blessed trols” like “Dennis” and “Matt Heikkala”.

So long as you allow that flaming fuck Jewsef Evras free reign to troll the boards…my attitude is “fuck all of you” and stop your fucking whining when people come back to remind you that you are all conspiratorial flake ass trolls…

It isnt as if you there were attempts to remind you all how fucking lame you are…and yet you had to let “Dennis” and “Matt” fuckface remind us all what a fucking lame ZioNazi shill site this is.

Funny how you invite people back to let you know that your lame asss trolling is obviously a key element to GNN.tv!

At a boy Dennis and the rest of the GNN.tv trolls.

PS…using the name of someone else in this manner is clearly a provocation…so fuck you all if you dont like it…

You want to make peoples lives as miserable as possible…then lets start a new campaign?

Shall you, you flaming idiots?


R133539
4 years ago
Lot08

That is until you asked for money – then it’s perceived as extortion.

You take yourself way too seriously.

Extortion is when the victim is presented with no choice: He must pay or suffer terrible consequences. In the e-mails, ABC is offered to have the author perform a “try to take you off the list for future terrorism,” and “reasonable communication…discussion… opportunity to see if the author really knows about terrorist design“ without getting paid first and so without the need to get paid at all, unless a settlement might be reached about whatever claims the author had.

The e-mail applies very strong pressure for a meeting. ABC lawyers and/or the FBI did not arrange a meeting like is always done in order to prosecute someone who you think is going to try to extort someone. The e-mail does not demand money; it pressures for a meeting. Someday ABC may still be sorry that they did not test the author’s beliefs about his knowledge at that time, even if they never regret that they feel that they never had an obligation to actually have reached a settlement with the author about his claims [no matter what they actually were?].

The e-mail mentions money and this sends flags up for the corporation, the government and professional extortionists, but for an intellectual and other reasonable persons, it is quite clear that the author does not pretend he can surely get ABC certain relief nor that he must be paid money before he will perform whatever he might be able to perform, nor that he must be paid money in the absence of a settlement, which is an agreed upon resolution of a dispute.

I was incarcerated in NYC federal detention for three years for e-mails that were received by the Walt Disney Corporation in Los Angeles, as the creator of the ABC.online public forum. The e-mails urge a meeting, communication, discussion, testing of veracity, inspection of claims. It’s not that I take myself too seriously; those of you who protest that my rhetoric should have been punished instead of that ABC should have communicated with me to really test exactly what was going on because you feel that it is obvious to you what was going on and that I deserved to be punished don’t take what I said in the e-mails seriously enough or in my 1999 copyrighted A New Millennium Revolutionary Manifesto which is at the center of the e-mails.

Can’t a reasonable person believe that an apology to me by ABC for whatever damages I claimed and the publicity itself due to a meeting that may have revealed a lot of what many of you are searching for today about terrorism and prior U.S. government knowledge have satisfied the headline of “Atonement?” How many times have unions entered into negotiations for money and wound up with some other benefits?

The e-mails are not extortion notes. They neither demand money to be paid without an agreement on claimed issues nor demand money to be paid in order for the author to perform whatever he might have been able to in order to provide relief. Free Speech and the First Amendment is not supposed to come down to Snark’s, Joe’s, Chicken Ma’s and ABC executives’ distorted or convenient impressions of an alleged crime of pure language. If reasonable people can find that the arguments about the rhetoric of the e-mails that I have been making have merit, then my arguments are supposed to prevail in the light of the First Amendment.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 00:36:41

R133545
4 years ago
GiggleFest

Lot08 – wish I could contribute to this and support you. You, continuity, are about as rational as it gets here.

Good luck.

This site is a ZioNazi shill site…policed on the boards by the Gay Niggers – something that can too be supported in a case of law…and GNN.tv was complicit itself in encouraging its core contributors to harass and stalk people they wanted drilled out.

GNN.tv has done nothing to they who release private phone numbers, engaged in deliberate and malicious stalking and harassing, among a few issues…

Snark is one of these engaged in this behaviour.

Don’t expect a group of pathetic individuals to be able to actually ascertain any nuanced arguement.

They are too fucking stupid…and have proven it over and over and over and over.


R133547
4 years ago
sisyphus

photo taken at recent GNAA meeting:


R133548
4 years ago
Lot08

Thanks. I think you make some good points, too. But, you could use some nuancing yourself. I believe you have a right to be angry about the things you complain about.

At the same time, working niggahs everywhere whether they are Blacks, Jews, Queers or Jewish Black Queers also have rights and only a small percentage of those types are at the center with the predominantly White anglo-saxon straight Protestant American military-industrial-organized crime complex. I don’t think you have to generalize so much all the time;GNN has positive points, too. I also don’t think Zionism and Judaism need to be seen as the same thing.

That being said, there are real conspiracies going on to keep things in the hands of a speical interest American ruling class, but I think who this is made up of needs to maintain more focus, like Drew has been attempting.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 01:06:29

R133549
4 years ago
sisyphus

this should be entertaining . . .

/me makes popcorn


R133570
4 years ago
Agustina

eepi, you are pointing to his real name… why?



R133572
4 years ago
Snark

PAGE 5 PWNAGE BITCHEZ!


R133573
4 years ago
Snark

Man we are educating a fucking society of absolute idiots!

Fuck off.


R133574
4 years ago
eepicheep

I was pointing to the thing he wrote that illuminates his views. He mentioned it in the email he posted. He’s the one who put his name on it.

Maybe I should have kept it to myself. It was less obvious than it seemed to me, and I probably should have said never mind instead of giving more clues.

But really if you read it you will understand him much better.

Anyway, he linked to it himself in a later post.


R133581
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

It is kind of weird to play this little game.


R133586
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Nothing is more important that protecting political speech. I had this argument with a law professor once. It concerned the Supreme Court case about burning draft cards back in the sixties. The Supreme Court hid behind an exception, the rationale was, if we let people burn their draft cards, we won’t have a smooth and efficient military operation. I said that (1) I never heard of the police setting up a roadblock to check to see if people had their draft cards and (2) if a person burns his draft card, it won’t stop him from being drafted.

Political Speech (Symbolic Speech) is supposed to be the most protected speech. This draft card case is a classic example of how the Supreme Court can subvert the Constitution.

I would argue that Lot08’s e-mail to ABC is protected by the First Amendment. It is clear that the jury had problems with the charges, and in the end, he did not serve much time. Reading the letter, I see it as figurative speech, which makes a political point. I can’t imagine ABC or anybody else thinking that Lot08 was serious about the money. And he certainly did not have the power to unleash what he described in the first paragraph, unless he is OBL.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 10:06:28

R133620
4 years ago
Joe

“Extortion is when the victim is presented with no choice: He must pay or suffer terrible consequences.”

Not necessarily – you can extort someone for anything, not just money. Making non-monetary demands and threatening violence is still extortion. And it’s a moot point, because you did ask for money. Mentioning “negotiations” doesn’t mean shit – you might just want to lure them out so you can put them in a burlap sack and take them to Chechnya. They don’t know you – they have to judge you by this letter. I’ll be honest – it makes you look insane. If you don’t agree, I’m probably right.

“I can’t imagine ABC or anybody else thinking that Lot08 was serious about the money.”

Your imagination is limited. I’ve gotten threatening letters – it’s not fucking fun. You don’t have a choice but to call the cops, even if they made an attempt to be ambiguous. I fucking hate cops, but they’re still better than the idiots that write these goddamn letters.

If you’re going to worry about CIA agents who debate on internet forums – shouldn’t you worry about the crazy wannabe revolutionaries who try to bully people into seeing things their way?

Post Modified: 03/07/06 10:23:35

R133623
4 years ago
Snark

I’ll be honest – it makes you look insane. If you don’t agree, I’m probably right.

Nice. And I agree that anybody who doesn’t read that as serious and as a threat is either limited in imagination, perspective, or sanity. And how is “if you don’t either negotiate with me or pay me off, my homeboys are going to come get their pound of flesh” NOT “He must pay or suffer terrible consequences”? More importantly, how can anybody be expected to disregard a letter like that? How would you react if you got a letter like that? “Oh, well, he must simply be figurative. He doesn’t really mean he wants to set off a bomb with HIV-coated glass in our newsroom, he’s just a political dissident trying to make a point. Let’s sit down for a chat with him.” Are you fucking insane? If somebody said that shit to me on the street, I’d probably grab the nearest blunt object and beat him senseless, not sit down for a chat with him! And if somebody makes that kind of serious, specific threat and offers protection in exchange for money, you’re damn right I’m taking that seriously. If I got a letter like that, I’d call the cops or go medieval, not sit there and ponder the figurative ramifications.

Disappointing but not surprising to see you defending the nutcase, suitcaseman. This thread seems to be catalyzing the full flowering of every unstable nutcase and babbling idiot on GNN- best think hard about whether you want to throw in with this wannabe terrorist shithead.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 10:37:33

R133626
4 years ago
Memnoch01

No better place to post this than here…

I just bought a CB-1.

Where’s Tupper when I want to have a good motorcycle convo…

180km’s an hour is a fucking rush.


R133650
4 years ago
remarcus

Disappointing but not surprising to see you defending the nutcase, suitcaseman. This thread seems to be catalyzing the full flowering of every unstable nutcase and babbling idiot on GNN- best think hard about whether you want to throw in with this wannabe terrorist shithead.


R133655
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Snark,

It would be nice to read a comment that did not have insults in it for a change. All I am saying is, from a lawyer’s point of view, if Lot08 was my client, I would argue that his letter was protected by the First Amendment.

Same thing with you Joe. My imagination is not limited. That is precisely the point. I am thinking beyond this spat that is going on here. Comparing a threat made to you to one that Lot08 made to the huge corporation ABC, I don’t think that is proper.

There is such a thing as healthy conversation and argument. Don’t get so upset, when people disagree with you.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 11:57:52

R133657
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Take a look at what Lot 08 was saying,

HIV blood drenched glass shards exploded in all directions in corporate conference rooms, acid thrown in faces of clerks and receptionists, secretaries and boy Fridays pushed onto subway tracks, a new strain of smallpox released into exhibition arenas and more acts of furious judgment against totalitarian America will be carried out in the very near future, accompanied by still greater ferocious tornadoes, earthquakes larger than Northridge and hurricanes more damaging than Andrew, volcanic eruptions, fires, floods, pestilence and every form of plague upon America’s Pharaohs and their first born.


R133666
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Joe,

Check back and please tell me where I said Snark was a CIA agent.

Snark,

What do you mean by best think hard about whether you want to throw in with this wannabe terrorist shithead.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 12:02:05

R133675
4 years ago
Tlaloc

“As an employee of the NSA, I can confirm that Snark is indeed a CIA asset. “

Joke’s on you. I’m Mossad.


R133680
4 years ago
Chickenma1

My tentative conclusions after reading all this: Snark is innocent, LOT08 may well be an agent provocateur. (Course, that’s what I thought before reading this thread.)


R133682
4 years ago
remarcus

I’m still waiting on my file…


R133684
4 years ago
Joe

“Check back and please tell me where I said Snark was a CIA agent.”

I didn’t say that you said that – I said that if you were going to worry about the CIA infiltrating the GNN forum, shouldn’t you be worried about the dude who can’t understand that actions have consequences? It’s not Lot’s threats that bothers me – he’s full of shit, right? It’s the fact that he’s a total pussy about it – he’s done nothing but shy away from the fact that his letter is a good example of extortion. I think he might have gotten the idea from gangster movies – Lot08 was trying to offer the network “protection” from zee Germans. lol.

At least have the balls to say “yes, I threatened them with violence because I wanted to make them change their ways.” Of course that wouldn’t be right, but the level of delusion he’s demonstrated here is pretty sad, and possibly more dangerous than a sekrit agent.

“Comparing a threat made to you to one that Lot08 made to the huge corporation ABC, I don’t think that is proper.”

At the time I was working for a corporation. The other time I got one was when I worked at a school. Neither were specifically addressed to me. It still sucks, because you don’t know if they’re for real (small chance) or just stupid/crazy (large chance). The only reasonable course of action is to turn it over to the pigs, because they’re the only ones who can find out if they’re for real or not.

I don’t know why you’d assume, if you received Lot08’s letter, that he’s just eccentric. That’s not how me and the staff reacted, and of course there were already policies in place that made calling the cops a must. You’re not thinking clearly, imho.

“Snark is innocent, LOT08 may well be an agent provocateur.”

lol.. looks that way, doesn’t it? GNN is crazy.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 12:50:22

R133686
4 years ago
MossadWreckinKru

Joke’s on you. I’m Mossad.

Sheeeeeit nigga, Mossad be all up in this beezy!


R133690
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Snark is innocent, LOT08 may well be an agent provocateur.

Either way, better check the statutes on outing CIA agents, remember Bush said we are living different world since 911.


R133705
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

HIV blood drenched glass shards exploded in all directions in corporate conference rooms, acid thrown in faces of clerks and receptionists, secretaries and boy Fridays pushed onto subway tracks, a new strain of smallpox released into exhibition arenas and more acts of furious judgment against totalitarian America will be carried out in the very near future, accompanied by still greater ferocious tornadoes, earthquakes larger than Northridge and hurricanes more damaging than Andrew, volcanic eruptions, fires, floods, pestilence and every form of plague upon America’s Pharaohs and their first born.

Enter into negotiations with me and I will try to take your firm off of the existing list for future terrorist attacks as describe[d] above.

If you do not not discuss this situation with me, even in order to have just acted in a reasonable communicative form for the purpose of being able to show the courts in future negligence and wrongful death suits that there had been no possibility that the complaintant had information regarding terrorist designs against ABC which may have been able to have been deterred, you will pay dearly.

If you do not discuss my offer with me and your personnel and/or other members of your geographical community are murdered or mass murdered in the ways indicated, or in other ways which may be accompanied by information to the effect that the killings were meant to signal, in part, punishment for your corporation’s damages to me and to my revolutionary work, then you will be vulnerable to enormous damage suits for negligence and wrongful death by the surviving family members of your communities, in addition to your moral responsibility for the very loss of life itself.

OK. So here are the applicable parts of the letter. Maybe a better defense in court would be insanity.

Enter into negotiations with me and I will try to take your firm off of the existing list for future terrorist attacks as describe[d] above.

Does it sound like he could deliver this promise? The attacks he describes are general, not specific. He is predicting some kind of chaos that he believes is going to happen in the future. It is not like he is saying, if you don’t pay me, I am going to set off a bomb in your headquarters. I am the head of S.P.E.C.T.R.E.

Next applicable statements,

If you do not not discuss this situation with me, even in order to have just acted in a reasonable communicative form for the purpose of being able to show the courts in future negligence and wrongful death suits that there had been no possibility that the complaintant had information regarding terrorist designs against ABC which may have been able to have been deterred, you will pay dearly.

Do you think a reasonable person, who reads this, would think that he is the leader of some revolutionary group that is going to carry out the kinds of attacks that he described, for example, greater ferocious tornadoes, earthquakes larger than Northridge and hurricanes more damaging than Andrew, volcanic eruptions, fires, floods, pestilence and every form of plague upon America’s Pharaohs and their first born.

Next applicable statements,

If you do not discuss my offer with me and your personnel and/or other members of your geographical community are murdered or mass murdered in the ways indicated, or in other ways which may be accompanied by information to the effect that the killings were meant to signal, in part, punishment for your corporation’s damages to me and to my revolutionary work, then you will be vulnerable to enormous damage suits for negligence and wrongful death by the surviving family members of your communities, in addition to your moral responsibility for the very loss of life itself.

Do you think that a reasonable person would believe that people were going to be murdered because ABC damaged Lot08? Do you think Lot08 has that kind of power?

Would they think he is crazy? That I can understand. But as far as taking these threats literally. I would not. Now that is just me. And obviously, the jury split, because they had to be given an Allen Charge, to get them to arrive at a verdict. What was the sentence? Two years. Not exactly the Unabomber. If you were on the jury you might disagree, but that is what America is all about. We don’t all have to agree. And we should not be insulted if we don’t agree with someone.

Thank you for your attention. I am already sick of this. I think I have made my point. And Snark, I am waiting for an apology. I think you went too far with me. I like to look at both sides of an issue. I was talking about a hypothetical situation, not taking sides. You are letting Lot08 get to you. I did not do anything to you.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 20:14:23

R133711
4 years ago
Joe

“Do you think that a reasonable person would believe that people were going to be murdered because ABC damaged Lot08?”

Like I said, when you get a threatening letter, that’s irrelevant.

First of all – you haven’t a clue who they are. I still don’t have a clue who Lot08 is. You seem to think he’s an ok guy – maybe he is, I’m not denying that – but his letter simply makes him look unstable and possibly dangerous. I don’t see how one could safely assume that he’s unable to commit mass murder.

Second of all, most workplaces that deal with the public have policies to ensure that potential threats are dealt with promptly with the cooperation of the authorities. It’s not like “a reasonable person” has any choice but to turn the letter over to security (or whatever the policy dictates).

“Not exactly the Unabomber. “

Where did I say he was? ;-)

But he could have been. He got busted – who knows what was on his plate. Maybe he was just going to talk quietly with them, maybe he’s a real nice feller. ABC couldn’t know that.

Threatening letters and extortion = A visit from the police. Simple equation (unless you’re organized crime).

Post Modified: 03/07/06 14:16:20

R133723
4 years ago
Wombat

Has anyone here, well not really here but posting here which is here, so to speak, so has anyone here actually bothered to read A NEW MILLENNIUM REVOLUTIONARY MANIFESTO

There is a little paragraph in there under “Background” that reads like this

“My father had been under the wing of some Mafioso since he was a teenager, and by the 70’s, my mother used to sit around with some of the different Mafia family women. She once told me that Carlo Gambino was the most charming gentleman that she had ever met in her entire life—“with the exception of course” of my father. My father once mentioned to me that he had finally achieved some kind of formal association with the Mafia, but neither of my parents ever indicated to me that they knew anything about criminal activities, only some bits of social gossip. “

If that is all true you can put it together with the threats to the ABC and a demand for money, which is what it was, and you get extortion. Sure he was clever enough to word it so that he had some legal wiggle room, and it paid off because he served limited time for it, but it was a straight scam to slice $250,000 out of the ABC under threat of violence, whether or not he actually intended or could carry out his threats. I think Lot08 is either kidding himself or all of you by trying to gloss it over as some kind of “warning” to the ABC and I don’t think you can pass demands for money under threat of violence as right under First Amendment Free Speech.


R133736
4 years ago
Snark

And Snark, I am waiting for an apology.

For what? My post was reasonable. I think you’re a casuist with an excessively narrow and legalistic perpective on this particular issue. And I stand by my statement that, in the interest of your own credibility, defending Lot08 may not be exactly what you want to do. I think he’s a wannabe revolutionary/terrorist who doesn’t even have the courage to step out from behind the first amendment when his fantasist radicalism is called out for the farce that it is. And I think it reflects poorly on you to be defending his idiocy with all that “well, this was more of a general, symbolic kind of death threat” hairsplitting. Casuistry gets no respect from me. Unless theres’s something else, you’ll be waiting for a while.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 15:44:34

R133743
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Snark,

I have already explained that I was talking about the narrow issue of Lot08 and his letter, it has nothing to do with you. I can’t tell you any more. You are jumping to conclusions.

Joe and Wombat,

Does anybody know the facts of the Lot08 case? Do we know what he was charged with? Do we know what he was convicted of? It is fairly pointless to discuss this any further without knowing all of the facts.


R133745
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Problem with GNN is everything becomes a pissing contest. Lighten up.


R133746
4 years ago
Snark

I have already explained that I was talking about the narrow issue of Lot08 and his letter, it has nothing to do with you.

I know. And I’m responding to your opinion on the narrow issue of the letter.

If you’re still waiting for an apology, let me know what for.


R133748
4 years ago
Joe

“Does anybody know the facts of the Lot08 case? Do we know what he was charged with? Do we know what he was convicted of?”

I didn’t bring up the trial, I was discussing the letter and his statements here – nothing more. You said a reasonable person wouldn’t think Lot08 was threatening people – I disagree, I don’t see how receiving a letter like that could be considered anything but threatening, if crazy.

edit: the ‘punishment’ question is interesting – what kind of punishment should a person get for sending someone this kind of threat? Jail sounds too harsh – for a person that probably needs psychiatric help more than anything, sticking them in an overcrowded prison system with real criminals doesn’t sound very smart.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 18:15:08

R133749
4 years ago
Snark

Problem with GNN is everything becomes a pissing contest.

Of all the threads this sentiment could be expressed in, this one is probably the most ironic.


R133755
4 years ago
eepicheep

Wombat — I have read about the first 3/4 of the manifesto, and some of the very end. I will get back to it tonight or tomorrow morning. While any legal case would probably have been based simply on the content of the email itself, I do think that the manifesto is illuminating, and not only in regard to the part you mentioned.


R133759
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

This statement,

Disappointing but not surprising to see you defending the nutcase, suitcaseman. This thread seems to be catalyzing the full flowering of every unstable nutcase and babbling idiot on GNN- best think hard about whether you want to throw in with this wannabe terrorist shithead.

I found it offensive.


R133761
4 years ago
Wombat

My point is that if that part is true then Lot08 has certainly been around a rather large criminal influence for most of his life and in that light the ABC letter has a very high probability of being straight out extortion. If its not true then Lot08 certainly has dreams/visions of being part of a criminal/mafia family which makes it even more probable that ABC letter is straight out extortion.

Your mother doesnt sit around gossiping with other mafia women and meet Carlo Gambino if your dad is a small time fringe criminal and neither does your father achieve “some kind of formal association with the Mafia” if he is not into it neck deep. One of the Mafias main enterprises is extortion so to find someone with Lot08s background, or what he gives as a background, involved in an extortion attempt would hardly be surprising.

Tell me this. If you knew beforehand that Lot08 had Mafia connections and then read the ABC letter what would your conclusion of it have been hhhmmmm.


R133767
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

Tell me this. If you knew beforehand that Lot08 had Mafia connections and then read the ABC letter what would your conclusion of it have been hhhmmmm.

And to think you truly know someone by reading a pasted email, and (from what I gather) an incomplete reading of his manifesto posted on a internet forum thread.

Its all in your heads…

Post Modified: 03/07/06 17:54:35

R133768
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

I do think that the manifesto is illuminating, and not only in regard to the part you mentioned.

I’d have to agree with eep, here. I’m not buying into anything, or believing anything…but it is a interesting read. And if true, someone like Lot08 – it would be hard to escape that kind of environment.

Perhaps a clue as to why he resides in China….


R133772
4 years ago
Snark

I found it offensive.

Well, it is kind of disappointing to see that anybody’s taking his side, though I’m not surprised that someone did; his position’s basically indefensible. And I do think it merits a second thought whether you want to be assosciated with a wannabe terrorist shithead who fantasizes about setting off bombs of HIV-soaked glass in corporate boardrooms.

I guess I’m just insensitive, but that’s nothing to get offended at.


R133774
4 years ago
Lot08

The only way the e-mail could have been an extortion attempt is if I was insane. How can anyone expect a large corporation to give him $250,000 through extortion if he had to show up at a corporate law office and demonstrate to the entire law department that he actually had power over the non-biblical end-of -the-world parts of the judgment of America and mankind vision.

No sane person could expect to succeed in a Mafia type extortion with no power to prove his control over the violence and the e-mail unchallengeably states and repeats the author’s willingness to sit down with a giant corporation.

Anyone who says this is a sane and deadly Mafia-type extortion attempt is nuts. Only an insane person could possibly intend it as such. If the author was insane at the time, then the case should have been deferred once he was in custody. I was not picked up until two and a half years after the e-mails were written, a few months after 9/11. In fact, I agreed to return to the U.S. with two FBI agents to straighten the charges out. The charge was “Interfering with commerce by transmitting an electronic threat from a foreign country with the intent of gaining $250,000.”

If I was not insane, then it could not have been a Mafia-type extortion attempt. If I was not insane, it had to be a literary effort to get an audience with the corporation — no matter how much they detest or how much one of you declares they detest audiences with people who envision — not plan, not control, not even desire — their possible destruction account of existing elements in the world that are, in fact, still interested in carrying out their own designed violence against corporations and America.

As torturous as the rhetoric was, as frightening as it was, a sane person could only have hoped to get an audience where he might have gained publicity for his views, the chance to actually discuss real claims of particular executives in the corporation who cause real damage to the author, the chance to show that the author had insights about future terrorism, and such outcomes as discussion among men might produce. All of this is possible for a sane person to expect from the e-mails, while a payoff in their offices in a city far from the author’s exile in Mexico was not a possible outcome to expect under the notion that the author was able to control the bizarre, composite senario he projected and expect to be free to gain a reward for calling it off without being arrested for conspiracy or terrorism.

I will present more details of the actual case in a few minutes.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 17:47:52

R133778
4 years ago
fennec

This thread was fun a couple days ago.


R133784
4 years ago
Lot08

The Allen Charge given the New York jury broke a deadlock that had demonstrated that the e-mails could be interpreted as non-criminal. The Allen Charge was unconstitutional in a case of pure language because different subsets of opining jurors could have had different acceptable possible interpretations of pure language, which is almost impossible in a case of physical facts. It was improper for the district court to read an Allen Charge to the jurors that explicitly advised that only one interpretation could be correct even though it advised them to stick to their own interpretation if they felt sure that they had had the correct one. Pure language, rhetoric if you will, can and does and should admit variant interpretations to stand side-by-side through thick and thin.

Telling jurors that they were falsely facing the same kind of either/ or realities in the instant pure language case that truly apply in the majority of cases of material deeds was unconstitutional because it violated the freedom of speech of the petitioner and the dissident jurors by advising them that they were deliberating in a universe that only can and only must admit of one correct interpretation of the facts. Judges, lawyers, English language experts, laymen linguists and many average people know that language can have various interpretations. In the instant case, and in any case in which the judicial authority might look to break a deadlock using an Allen Charge, the standard Allen Charge is unconstitutional or at least reversibly incorrect and unfair.

The standard Allen Charge in the instant case put the jurors into a socio-psychological position that he or she needs must not have been put into: The jurors were advised to deliberate upon abandoning their preferred position in the light of an incorrect and unfair false logic—the logic that stated that they must be wrong if the other jurors had an interpretation of the facts that appeared to be correct. The jurors, thusly, are advised to deliberate in a false universe by a ruling authority, and this fact cannot be looked at as moot even in the face of the additional advice that they were allowed to stick to their guns. The trial was made unfair by having jurors believe that the possibly reasonable and sound interpretation of some particular language by other jury members would entail the incorrectness of their own contrary or variant interpretation of that same particular language.


R133786
4 years ago
Snark

This thread was fun a couple days ago.

I know. Now it’s just gotten bizarre and tedious. It’s quite a phenomenon, tho.


R133788
4 years ago
remarcus

seems alito and company have you trumped now, dude… youre in china?


R133790
4 years ago
Joe

“The only way the e-mail could have been an extortion attempt is if I was insane”

well..

anyways, extortion doesn’t have to be about money. You can extort someone into negotiating with you – it’s still extortion.


R133792
4 years ago
Wombat

Snark: why dont you just pull his file and get to the bottom of it.


R133795
4 years ago
Lot08

This was written in September, 2005 as part of a petition for Supreme Court review of the case:

ABC.Online was a channel used by the Disney Corporation to receive news and information, and opinions, requests and complaints, etc. from the public. The e-mails clearly represented these categories of communication and were a publishable, highly stylized, provocative alarm by a scholar/journalist warning of 9/11 events two years ahead of time. The reactions against the Petitioner to these objective facts of the e-mails, by what President Dwight D. Eisenhower presciently identified as the U.S. military-industrial complex, which includes the Department of Justice, ABC, and embedded elements of American organized crime within these organizations, is consistent with cover-ups by the executive branch of the government regarding its Able Danger military intelligence operations, the recent investigation of which has been stuck in the Honorable Arlen Spector’s Senate Committee due to intransigence by executive branch agencies, a reality testified to by the Petitioner during the very trial of the instant case in July, 2003, two years before Able Danger became identified to the Congress(Trial transcript, op.cit.). The Petitioner had also warned the FBI in November, 1998, that U.S. intelligence operations had collected information from him prior to the Oklahoma City bombing about that bombing and that such agencies were continuing to collect such information about terrorist activities that would continue to occur and would not be intervened upon by the U.S. terrorist intelligence collectors. The Petitioner had told the FBI, “I do not say what is usually said in such accusations, that it is the CIA, because I believe that it may be the DIA, the NSA or some other U.S. intelligence gathering agency.”

The e-mails clearly urged discussion as their goal, discussion with ABC for the explicitly stated purposes of possibly reaching a settlement of claims, which was explicitly offered to be preceded by discussions that offered the petitioner’s sharing of his beliefs of knowledge regarding future terrorism—with ABC which was in fact victimized in the succeeding anthrax attacks and the alarming media headlines of the famous “lists of targets”—i.e. the finance/stockbrokerage and media industries that have been reported to have been generated in 1998 and 1999.


R133803
4 years ago
Lot08

I was taken to NYC to be incarcerated and tried by jury even though the e-mails were received in Los Angeles by the Disney Corporation. This, in itself, represented a violation of my Constitutional rights to be tried where the crime was committed — in Los Angeles. This Constitutional right is called the right to have correct VENUE. The D.O.J. wanted to have me in New York because of 9/11 and the prospects of a NYC jury instead of a California jury where there would have been much more recognition of the literary and even biblical like allusions of an absolutely impossible extortion under surreal conditions. Here is the first paragraph of the State of the Facts of the Case as presented by me to the Supreme Court in October of last year.

Petitioner wrote e-mail addressed to ABC.Online on May 19th 1999, the first e-mail, which forms the basis of this case, was transmitted from Mexico. Doris V. Hernandez, the “webmaster person” of Mark Krefting, a Disney executive, received the e-mails addressed to ABC.Online in Los Angeles. Ms. Hernandez forwarded the first e-mail to Mark. Krefting, also in Los Angeles, with her own note; the day and exact time are not in evidence. Krefting, approximately 26 hours after Hernandez received the first e-mail, in the late afternoon of May 20, 1999, made a transmission of the e-mail from Los Angeles to New York, along with the note from Doris V. Hernandez and his own note. Krefting’s note to ABC in New York said: “Jerry, here’s the e-mail we discussed, forwarded by my webmaster person.” The other note said, “Hernandez, Doris V. wrote: “This message struck me as somewhat demented and worrisome. Doris”

Here is the text and form of the May 19th 1999 e-mail that was transmitted from Mexico by the Petitioner and received in Los Angeles that same day:

From: Lot08 Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 2:18 PM To: ABC Online Webmaster

TEXT AS IN PRIOR POSTING


R133808
4 years ago
Lot08

No, Joe, not at the federal level. Yes, some states allow for extortion of other things, but the federal law is explicit about money and would exclude the use of pressure tactics for the purpose of gaining an audience from being extortion. The prosecution insisted that it wasn’t possible to interpret the e-mails at aiming for discussion; the prosecution used the term “pay or die” as the meaning and denied that discussion was the intent.


R133813
4 years ago
Joe

“No, Joe, not at the federal level”

Fair enough, and I’m sorry if they fucked you over in any way. But you aren’t dealing with reality if you think that your threats weren’t going to be taken seriously. What made you think that this exercise would be productive? You’ve apparently wasted years of your life – for what?

Post Modified: 03/07/06 19:01:18

R133815
4 years ago
Lot08

I can’t see how you must insist that the language represent my threats. Here are three examples of reports of threats:

1. Last night, I called the cops and told them that you were dealing coke. You are now on their list to get busted. It may come later this week or next month, but
they’ll get you.

Whether this goes on to say, let’s review the fact that you owe me 12 hundred dollars and then I’ll see if I can call them and say I made a mistake or not, the report about your facing getting busted is not my threat. It is a report of a possible or probable threat and not a statement of my threat.

2. This girl I know told me you raped her and I told her I will kill you. She tells you that I am going to kill you and that maybe if you apologize to her, she will try to get me to defer. She has not made a threat against you. She has reported a possible threat.

3. I tell you that we are going to be destroyed by natural disasters. I have reported a possible or probable threat and I have not made a threat.

The language of the e-mails is not the making of a threat. When people hear something that they feel is threatening they so often say the following that everyone knows they have heard exchanges that have caused this to be said:

Are you threatening me?

“Are you threatening me?” is so familiar that you have to admit that very very often people must question the speaker so as to distinguish between predictions, reports of possible third party threats and other eventualities as opposed to the speaker himself intending to do violence. This is so so very commonplace that one has to suspect a Snark or anybody being a government shill or a corporate shill, which amounts to the same thing when they refuse to admit something as obviously undeclared as a threat of the author of the e-mail to be a threat of the author of the e-mail instead of something else, such as a report, which requires the all so familiar “Are you threatening me.”

The First Amendment was meant to protect all speech and there is more than wiggle room involved here.

I didn’t choose to waste three years of my nearly old age. I have been confronting corrupt elements within ABC and other corporations and the federal goverment for serious, important reasons that I believe threatens mankind. The MIC proscecuted me on spite. I am known as a dissident and an intellectual and even a scholar by the Mafia, ABC executives and the government; and the Mafia and ABC and the government united in ways that I have not even addressed in my manifesto in the prosecution that was carried out against me and that took years of my life, incarcerating me in three NYC federal detention facilities from January 2002 until December 2004 almost three years after the e-mails were written and were always known not to have been threats of mine.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 19:30:28

R133820
4 years ago
Joe

“The First Amendment was meant to protect all speech and there is more than wiggle room involved here.”

I’m not American. Telling me about how they violated your constitution doesn’t mean anything to me, and it doesn’t make extortion any less wrong. I’d have turned you into the cops had you sent me the same letter. Why? Because I would never negotiate with someone who sends these kinds of letters, and the only way to determine whether you were a threat or not would be to get you into a courtroom. You’re fucked if you keep doing this sort of thing. You’ll just go back to jail.. maybe that’s what you want, deep down.

Post Modified: 03/08/06 08:12:38

R133839
4 years ago
Continuity

This thread has mutated into a strain I haven’t seen before. I wash my hands of it, with heavy heavy soap and holy water. Fun’s over. My escape pod is being readied for me as we speak.

The guy who supposedly is the Fetch (he makes us all play fetch, right?) tried for a second time to link himself to me with a compliment. I realize the effect of this. So for the second time, I say to this caricature-ish racist poster: The feeling is not mutual. Stop doing that.

I don’t know what Lot08 is talking about, but he’s also mentioned the summaries I’ve made, which are built on other researcher’s work. He can talk about those all he wants, but I have no connection to the man.

Last post in the Snark-CIA sekret thread. Bye.


R133841
4 years ago
Shogo

Yeah, this thread has definitely gotten weird.

Post Modified: 03/07/06 21:12:36

R133876
4 years ago
sisyphus

fennec – This thread was fun a couple days ago

Yeah, what the fuck is wrong with you people?


R133877
4 years ago
Chickenma1

I think LOT08 is just trying to get a movie deal.


R133901
4 years ago
disgruntled

...

Post Modified: 03/08/06 04:17:19

R133914
4 years ago
Lot08

the only way to determine whether you were a threat or not would be to get you into a courtroom. You’re fucked if you keep doing this sort of thing.

Shifty posts hard core mothahfuckahs talkin’ ‘bout offing the system, fightin’ til the death against a pitiful, dirty Nazi-like America. Buncha fellas climin’ on board evry now an then and I get suitcaselogic lookin’ tah help me out witha insanidy defence.

It’s kool. I know that i’m supposed to basically work my work alone. I got supportahs in a lotta places and my lines of legal defense of the e-mails have been solid.

dudes be blowin’ up shit and everyone and everything and shit and i be writin. brothas be layin there lives on the line in Latin America and U.S. movement and ‘round the mothafuckin’ wurld an shit and i just be writin ‘bout the death from victims and nature loomin’ and to ABC.online, not some super straight-assed mothafuckin’ company.

Joe, man. What i said in the e-mail stays. I think ABC and you are fucked. Now, is that what you meant?


R133921
4 years ago
Snark

Yeah, this thread has definitely gotten weird.

This shit has gotten wierd? Do you even realize how terrifying that idea is, considering how stupendously fuckin’ wierd it was to start off with? Shit, I thought it was rock bottom when it started, now the bastard has started drilling even further! And what’s worse, I inspired this abomination! And it’s too early to drink!

Post Modified: 03/08/06 07:49:18

R133922
4 years ago
Snark

dudes be blowin’ up shit and everyone and everything and shit and i be writin. brothas be layin there lives on the line in Latin America and U.S. movement and ‘round the mothafuckin’ wurld an shit and i just be writin ‘bout the death from victims and nature loomin’ and to ABC.online, not some super straight-assed mothafuckin’ company.

Word is bond.


R133925
4 years ago
Joe

“I think ABC and you are fucked.”

I guess there’s an HIV-coated shard of glass with my name on it now.

“Shifty posts hard core mothahfuckahs talkin’ ‘bout offing the system”

As I recall, shifty posted one thing that called for ‘offing the system’ and it was taken down, because we don’t want GNN to be shut down because of that kind (and your kind) of stupid shit.

Post Modified: 03/08/06 08:17:20

R133941
4 years ago
Shogo

WTF? Lot08 is now channeling Herbert Kornfeld.


R133972
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

ebonics, with a heavy gangsta rap flair.


R134010
4 years ago
sisyphus

WTF? Lot08 is now channeling Herbert Kornfeld


R134108
4 years ago
Lot08

Joe, the NYT reported that 29 homosexuals applied for 9/11 survivor benefits as cohabitational partners of males in the WTC disaster. Even without the interpolations about homosexuals suffering from AIDS, a NYC population of 2000 WTC dead would represent about 20 HIV carriers. The airliners crashing destruction, explosions and collapsing caused glass partitions, windows, planters, glasses and cups, computer screens, mirrors, etc. to hurtle glass shards through the bodies of about twenty HIV carriers, whence HIV blood drenched glass shards can be said to have hurtled or exploded in corporate offices.

Airplane battery acid, coffee, photographic acid, other acidic liquids were thrown into the faces of corporate personnel at the WTC explosions and collapse. Pieces of personnel (secretaries, clerks and go-fers) of the corporations were found pushed and crushed onto the subway tracks below the WTC buildings upon which they collapsed.

Anthrax rather than “a new strain of smallpox” followed the WTC collapse by a few weeks, but it was the fear of smallpox that would be found in the media for almost an entire year following 9/11.

Just like in the e-mails. Except, of course, for the part about “accompanied by…hurricanes greater than Andrew…,” unless you count Katrina.

You’re fucked not because you are a special target (as far as I know); you are fucked because you want to blame the messenger when you hear bad news.

That reminder of the ABC.online e-mails as a warning or a report about probable/possible threats and not the making of a threat being said, look at this recent actual call for a revolution in America that asks for the violence of the original American Revolution of the 1770s, which was posted earlier this week:

H07979

“Progressives and conservatives alike recognize that we have an obscene and belligerent presidency that is buoyed by a frightened and timorous congress. They see that the institutions of government are not servants of the people—they are the servants of their corporate pay masters. Depravity and concentrated wealth hold sway in the halls of government. The White House is a brothel teeming with corporate lobbyists, whose fornications are conducted beyond the pale of public view. Congress is as awash in corporate money as maggots on a corpse. The Bush cabal has to go. However, we must also recognize that the cancer extends well beyond Bush. We must recognize that the system itself is the malignancy. Effective and conscientious citizenship demands more from us than paying taxes and exercising our right to vote. It demands that we act for the common good with conscience and tenacity of purpose. Let us finish the revolution that was begun here in the 1700s“.

Post Modified: 03/08/06 16:56:34

R134143
4 years ago
Lot08

Here’s you, Joe, in one of your War on Drugs
posts:

“I think they were also pissed because of a earlier Emery post about just what to call Cotler….”

Yeah, but they took that out of context. It only sounds anti-semitic because they’ve portrayed it as such. His Holocaust = War on Drugs comparison isn’t about downplaying or exploiting the suffering of the victims of the holocaust, it’s more about pointing out that drug users all around the world have experienced a similar level of oppression:

I think its fair to call the arrest of 24 million people worldwide in the last 50 years a holocaust, millions of those people spending years in jails in that time. I think its fair to call what happens to us a ‘pogrom’. A ‘pogrom’ is an eastern European word that described a specific government-supported mob action against Jewish communities in Russia and eastern Europe. I think there are many legitimate comparisons between our survival as a culture, and the Jewish experience surviving. Our enemies during the ‘pogroms’ experienced by both the Jewish and cannabis cultures are the same, Christian European culture.” (Marc Scott Emery – Source) Sounds fair to me...8/23/05

———————————————————————————-

Your taking me and my e-mail on is so self-righteous and lawyerly corporate when you are capable of making subtle distinctions when it suits you. Your distinctions are really more subtle than mine. My defense of my e-mails shouldn’t have found you as an antagonist. You are a shill. What were you busted for weed and got recruited by the FBI/MafiaElite/CIA arm of the U.S. MIC? You probably don’t even know. You just believe in the existence of some fringe aspects of U.S. capitalist-imperialist MIC injustice, but not its farreaching systemic injustice?

Your life as a plant.

Post Modified: 03/08/06 17:34:14

R134145
4 years ago
Joe

“The airliners crashing destruction, explosions and collapsing caused glass partitions, windows, planters, glasses and cups, computer screens, mirrors, etc. to hurtle glass shards through the bodies of about twenty HIV carriers, whence HIV blood drenched glass shards can be said to have hurtled or exploded in corporate offices.”

I’m not so sure about that, Lot08. Since there were only 20 or so people with HIV in the buildings, it’s hard to imagine that they all got hit with shards of glass. I’d bet that many of them were crushed or burned alive before that could happen.

And I’m pretty sure that the WTC and the pentagon, like most modern buildings, used a lot of safety glass – like tempered glass or laminated glass – which doesn’t break into deadly shards.

AND.. it’s impossible to make HIV stick around for very long once it’s outside the body, so your premonition doesn’t make much sense from that angle either.


R134153
4 years ago
Lot08

Darn, Joe. You may be right about some of the technical flaws in the e-mail vision. So, then, you don’t get a distinct or even vague 9/11 impression from that 1999 paragraph? Find me one single 89-word sentence/paragraph, the prophecies of John the Baptist notwithstanding, out of the trillions of paragraphs in the history of the world that comes any closer to 9/11 and its aftermath than the opening paragraph of the May 19, 1999 e-mail to ABC.online.

Post Modified: 03/08/06 17:42:07

R134155
4 years ago
Snark

Your life as a plant.

/me thinks Joe could use some watering.


R134183
4 years ago
Joe

“you are capable of making subtle distinctions when it suits you”

No, I disagree. Emery didn’t try to extort anyone. There’s no need for subtle distinctions here. It’s interesting that you drew a comparison though.. very revealing, like much of what you’ve posted.

“Find me one [prediction] that comes any closer to 9/11 and its aftermath than the opening paragraph of the May 19, 1999 e-mail to ABC.online.”

Easy!


R134185
4 years ago
fennec

I’d bet that many of them were crushed or burned alive before that could happen.

We can only hope…


R134196
4 years ago
Lot08

Joe, your begging the question. You’re capable of understanding my arguments, but you’ve twisted them, along with Snark. Why are you, of all people, so offended by the e-mail rhetoric and so offensive on this?


R134197
4 years ago
Lot08

Joe, you’re begging the question. You’re capable of understanding my arguments, but you’ve twisted them, along with Snark. Why are you, of all people, so offended by the e-mail rhetoric and so offensive on this? What’s the problem, with someone like you, in saying that you can see that I was trying to get a giant corporation to listen to me?
The point of referring to your remarks on the Israel thread is your ability to make distinctions about any volatile subject.


R134212
4 years ago
Joe

“Why are you, of all people, so offended by the e-mail rhetoric and so offensive on this?”

I’m not offended, I just think it’s a spectacularly warped thing to do and I wanted to know how you justified it.

“You’re capable of understanding my arguments”

They don’t make much sense to me. You can argue all you want that it’s open to interpretation, but sending a letter that opens with an 89-word run-on sentence vaguely describing terrorist attacks simply isn’t a good way of opening negotiations.

Which leaves one wondering if negotiations were truly your intent. Or we can wonder about your perception of reality – did you not anticipate that your actions would, in all likelihood, put you behind bars?

Post Modified: 03/08/06 19:36:36

R134244
4 years ago
Lot08

I admit that I was not tactful, but I did not believe that my willingness to talk to ABC in the spring of 1999 about future terrorism was a crime, even though it appears that the price of such a consultation for them would have been simply to admit that their corporation and/or personnel of their corporation had done some injury to me that I thought needed to be settled between us and might be done so without litigation.

The real dilemma for the corporation may be seen in this demand for them to have acknowledged possibly having injured me. If they were to have done so, then, obviously, some kind of settlement might well have been warranted. Clearly, the e-mail was requiring a process along those lines to unfold. It did not say the only way for them to avoid being a part of a future projected to be filled with calamity was to pay me. The e-mail only made a rather weak offer for any direct relief for them. That’s exactly what extortion under federal law is not. Extortion under federal law really is precisely the clear threat of physical injury unless a payment is received. The e-mails projected an open-ended warning of possible physical injury that may have only been triggered by my complaints, not really caused by them, and certainly never stated or even implied to be controlled by a retraction of my complaints.

The corporation just couldn’t figure out how to talk to me about any of their own concerns without implying that I may have had some merit in any claims against them that I asserted had occurred. ABC went to its government counterparts in the U.S. military-industrial-organized crime complex to relieve it of unwanted pressure to face my assertions of its having injured me, not to relieve it of a threat of violence that they believed I represented because I am a known to the New York Mafia and its embedded assets at ABC and because the e-mails do not present me as a violent threat. The e-mails present that I may or may not have been a sufficient cause for getting the corporation targetted, but the confession of that possibility is logically only helpful, albeit “worrisome,” at that point, and as such, just the opposite of a threat by me.

These arguments about content, in spite of some tensions about the admittedly untactful style, and the arguments about the relational aspects of the communication should suffice to demonstrate that extortion is not a true issue here, and some of my former arguments on the run up to this post should help clarify this even further. Additionally, where 1st Amendment speech rights are concerned, the American court system has always been wont to give the benefit of the doubt to the speaker and it has often bent over backwards to do so and has almost always demonstrated how it has done so before disqualifying any act of pure language. None of that was done in my case in NYC, which was not proper venue since the e-mails were received in Los Angeles.

Let me remind you that in addition to the content and relational aspects of the e-mails, there is the channel aspect, which I have mentioned before and would remind you of now, like this: Just suppose that some of the things we have said to each other, and others on this thread and other threads have said to one another, would have been said in PMs. Try to feel the difference honestly. Imagine that you had been PM’d some of the statements you have seen over the years of your postings instead of receiving them online here with the audience we have. The ABC.online post could not have been an extortion note: The second transmission of it, in fact, carried cc’s to the NYT, Time Magazine and Newsweek Magazine. How could extortion have been intended? The e-mails were obviously a literary and rhetorically loaded report of possible calamities that aimed to gain an audience with a powerful, highly difficult to sit down with corrupt American corporation that receives thousands of different appeals for an audience with it every day at ABC.online.

Post Modified: 03/08/06 21:13:44

R134250
4 years ago
Joe

So short answer.. you didn’t think you’d get a visit from the police for sending that email?


R134252
4 years ago
Snark

Holy shit. Going strong for five hundo….


R134255
4 years ago
NoGodsNoMasters

Ya, it’s too bad you can’t get the exchange between you and Drew on his “Smartbomb” blog transfered over to this one. That belongs here. It actually gave a certain element of closure to the it with Drew admitting that one of his “links” was total crap.


R134257
4 years ago
yeshappysteady

You mean this one?


R134258
4 years ago
NoGodsNoMasters

Thanks, happy! Someday I will visit the textile page and learn how to do that.


R135153
4 years ago
Joe

Report: Web Searches Can ID CIA Employees--

Mar 11, 2006

CHICAGO – The identities of 2,600 CIA employees and the locations of two dozen of the agency’s covert workplaces in the United States can be found easily through Internet searches, according to an investigation by the Chicago Tribune.

The newspaper obtained the information from data providers who charge fees for access to public records and reported on its findings in Sunday editions. It did not publish the identities or other details on its searches, citing concern it could endanger the CIA employees.

Not all of the 2,653 people the newspaper said it could identify as CIA employees were supposed to be covert, an issue raised in the Justice Department investigation of whether someone in the Bush administration leaked the identity of CIA operative
Valerie Plame to reporters in 2003.

Some in fact were non-covert analysts or senior executives, such as former CIA Director George Tenet. But the newspaper said it shared some of its findings with the CIA, and that the agency acknowledged the partial list of names included covert employees.

“Cover is an issue we look at all the time, and we are always looking to improve it,” CIA spokesman Tom Crispell told The Associated Press on Saturday.

Through the data providers, the newspaper said it identified people by telephone listings, real estate transactions, voting records, property tax records and other financial and legal documents. The investigation also uncovered internal office phone numbers of the agency and covert mailing addresses used by undercover operatives.

“Cover is a complex issue that is more complex in the Internet age,” the CIA’s chief spokeswoman, Jennifer Dyck, told the Tribune. “There are things that worked previously that no longer work.”

The Tribune also located two dozen CIA facilities in Chicago, northern Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Utah and Washington state. Some of the facilities are heavily guarded, while others appear to be private residences with no obvious connection to the CIA.

One of the facilities, a CIA training area dubbed “The Farm” at Camp Peary, Va., was a well-kept secret for decades. The agency refused to publicly acknowledge its existence, even after former CIA personnel confirmed its presence in the 1980s.

But the Tribune said an Internet search for the term “Camp Peary” produced data identifying the names and other details of 26 people who apparently work there.

Additionally, a review of aviation databases for flights at Camp Peary’s airstrip revealed 17 aircraft whose ownership and flight histories also could be traced.


R135185
4 years ago
Lot08

Other forms of serving the CIA and other arms of the military-intelligence communities are more significant than career employment. Any organization has record keepers, messengers and other minor operatives who are all replaceable by people seeking a secure little government job. The question becomes more interesting when the Trib can demonstrate personnel have been involved in spying on U.S. citizens in the U.S., which is supposed to be illegal.

The other forms of serving the intelligence community may be even more covert than some of the covert elements from the Tribs inventory. Millions of Americans in every walk of life — academia, the press, politicians and their staffs, professionals in every field, corporate personnel and even some regular working people will do one-shot, occasional or semi-regular little, medium or large favors for U.S. intelligence personnel or for intermediaries of U.S. intelligence (intermediaries may be from organized crime to academics and corporate personnel). The couple of thousand Trib-revealed implacements can actually be more important sometimes than I suggested by serving as “desks” for handling the wide array of civilian assets oftentimes better than CIA operating directly out of Langley because they have covers that may not trigger resistance from innocent civilians who are asked to do something. The infamous Blacklists of the 1950’s provides an example of the type of cooperation that can be elicited from ordinary civilians who nevertheless wind up serving in key roles for huge programs.

The siphoning of the S&Ls for hundreds of billions of dollars is another example of huge networks of operatives in the U.S., even though U.S. intelligence did not have to be directly involved — only an organized crime network that U.S. intelligence depends upon for other operations.

People that are predisposed to lend themselves for different kinds of domestic intelligence services, most often some form of psyops such as damaging someone’s credibility, other forms of propaganda, arranging introductions, helping get someone placed, helping cover a career operative and so on are even more useful than people that have to be persuaded, tricked into or left totally unaware of their help role. Predispositions to serve U.S. intelligence may be based on ideolological, patriotic, adventurousness or other attitudes and may even include a desire to become a career operative abroad. Getting used without such predispositions may depend upon owing organized crime, the DOJ, the local police or any number of factors, including just being naive.

Where exactly Drew felt Snark fits into this picture is unclear or why Drew may have retracted his suspicion is also unclear.

Post Modified: 03/11/06 17:12:38

R135525
4 years ago
drewhempel

You’re going to have to search my message to Snark about our “budding relationship.” As you can see Snark has a “thing” for me but that’s o.k. I’ve broken many hearts before. Soon he’ll get the message. drew hempel, M.A.


R136855
4 years ago
AreolaSharon2

Why Snark Is C.I.A.

This is a Grand Secret?

He’s also the state Judo Chumpion of Colorado.


R136867
4 years ago
sisyphus

He’s also the state Judo Chumpion of Colorado

I hear he also won the UK National Chess Trophy in 1994.


R136868
4 years ago
Snark

Haha, Formula 409 was you? Awesome. No wonder I’ve never liked you much.

You still barely comprehend the point I dropped on you that night, did you?


R136886
4 years ago
drewhempel

Snark you totally ran away from the GE debate and that makes you look suspect. Mama gonna engineer your food on ya. drew hempel, M.a.


R136888
4 years ago
neverknwo

R136890
4 years ago
drewhempel

Snark appears to be gone — jumped into his bat-mobile and races off to secret lab in a mountain. drew hempel, M.A.


R137457
4 years ago
AreolaSharon2

You still barely comprehend the point I dropped on you that night, did you?”

I seriously doubt it, bag of arse exhaust.

Did it occur to you that your sudden epiphany reveals a severe lack in certain observation skills?

Were I in your profession, that might concern me a little.

Post Modified: 03/16/06 14:24:02

R137460
4 years ago
Snark

No, it’s just that I care basically nothing about you, what you say, what you think, or your sockpuppets. To observe something implies that you’re remotely interested in it and devote thought to it, neither of which is true of my interaction with you unless you directly address me. (Which you are now, for some God-unknown reason. This thread is like catnip for assholes.) As far as I’m concerned, you’re just another Jew-hatin’ Carolina redneck with nothing to say, and I’ve devoted more thought to you in the last 30 seconds as I have in the last year.


R137464
4 years ago
AreolaSharon2

As far as I’m concerned, you’re just another Jew-hatin’ Carolina redneck with nothing to say

Another clear illustration of “a severe lack in certain observation skills.”


R138033
4 years ago
nada

I haven’t gotten past the third page of comments.
I have one question:
Is drew “the blowhard” hempel actually serious?
and why does he still have an account after exposing personal information?


R138034
4 years ago
nada

lol i can’t even get to page 4 or 5 so I won’t see a response. Even going through the forum ain’t workin doh!

This is doing wonders for drew’s already impregnable(as mike tyson would say) credibility.


R138035
4 years ago
sisyphus

Is drew “the blowhard” hempel actually serious?

I think he was.

and why does he still have an account after exposing personal information?

Anthony and Drew are lovers.


R248478
3 years ago
yourmome

I must be Drew. He leaves whenever I show up again.


R248555
3 years ago
JustLurking

k, let’s settle this so we never have to bring it up again…. The *real* reason Why Snark is CIA is because…

I hired him.


R248558
3 years ago
yourmome

That’s cool, I work for LEIU.


R248563
3 years ago
Snark

/me hangs upside down by the water cooler


R284714
3 years ago
athena

bump


R284726
3 years ago
ZenSwashbuckler

Nobody wants to delve back into the purposeless overbrimming tunnel of raw sewage that is this thread. Therefore I will do everybody the service of reposting the most important information to come out of it:

“Princess Leia’s most important feature are the prominent STANDING SPIRAL RESONANCE WAVES ON THE SIDE OF HER HEAD!!”

-drew hempel, M.A. (by way of Tlaloc, by way of fennec )


R332390
2 years ago
Science

yeah?


R332471
2 years ago
Namaste_Rich

lol.

/me misses teh Snark.

Bump.


R332491
2 years ago
JustLurking

Princess Leia’s most important feature are the prominent STANDING SPIRAL RESONANCE WAVES ON THE SIDE OF HER HEAD

all this time I assumed drew’s shit was nothing more than gobbly gook.

it all makes perfect sense now.


R332494
2 years ago
Number5Toad

i miss Joe

and Continuity

and Wombat

and Tlaloc

also, strangely, Areola…


R379105
9 months ago
Science

No you don’t.



R379135
9 months ago
HackMkUltra

We have lost alot of good people over the years, only the dregs bother to stick around.


R379210
9 months ago
ShiftShapers

oh quit talking about yourself. or me. whichever.


R379399
9 months ago
Science

We lose them or they get banned and come back as less entertaining versions of their former selves. Proof: I used to be fennec and Anphony. I’m so boring now.

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