Tuesday, November 17, 2009

An Underground Alternative to GNN

An Underground Alternative to GNN

Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:11:54 -0500
R398860
2 months ago
STOPSTRIPMINING

Hey Shifty,

This is a great idea.

But, only if GNN is beyond saving. I really like this place and I am loathe to leave.

In fact, I think GNN is such a great place that there is an effort to undermine it with paid stooges such as floopin.


R398861
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

Keep it secret. Keep it safe.

Fuck you pigboy!

Post Modified: 09/17/09 23:13:09

R398862
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

this project is not meant to replace gnn or take us away from it (i for one will be right here doing what i always do, until the bitter end) but rather to provide a complimentary community space with greater interactive abilities while at the same time providing an infrastructure of communication in the event that gnn goes off-line some time in the future (which it has in the past, from time to time).

Post Modified: 09/17/09 23:32:25

R398863
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

Fuck you pigboy!

9/11 Truth, the Patriot/Liberty Movement, Alex Jonesism and the like will not be unwelcome but such abusive commentary certainly will be, sorry.


R398864
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

9/11 Truth, the Patriot/Liberty Movement, Alex Jonesism and the like will not be unwelcome but such abusive commentary certainly will be, sorry.

Oh I’m weeping.

Can’t wait to find out the url pigboy!


R398872
2 months ago
Memnoch07

“but such abusive commentary certainly will be, sorry.”

Whut??? So why would anyone want to go there? Super secret anarchist club and you wont allow swearing? Thats pretty lame.


R398875
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

oh we’ll fucking swear, make no fucking doubt about it, just not abusively at one another. an no, it’s not exclusively anarchist, or i’d be hard-pressed to build a user base out of the GNN community.


R398876
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

Fuck you pigboy! You’re fake resistance!!


R398877
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

R398878
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

oh i’m so hurt. let me tell you how much that hurts my feel-bads. hold on while i go and cry in my beer.

Post Modified: 09/18/09 00:11:50

R398893
2 months ago
desultory01

ooooooh sounds exclusive

As much as I enjoy secretive circle jerks I’ll have to pass.


R398894
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

exclusive
secretive

hardly. soon enough it will be entirely public.


R398896
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

but if you’re uninterested, then you’re uninterested. so be it.


R398897
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

As much as I enjoy secretive circle jerks I’ll have to pass.

you seem to like the public circle jerk that is gnn well enough.


R398898
2 months ago
desultory01

“soon enough it will be entirely public”

mah breath is teh bated


R398900
2 months ago
desultory01

Those with a consistent history of abusive behavior here on GNN will most likely be denied

sorry sisyphus :(


R398903
2 months ago
sisyphus

sorry sisyphus :(

s’okay, I still like shit shapers


R398904
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

heh.


R398924
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

Floydster – Fuck you pigboy! You’re fake resistance!!

I’m with Floyd, Shift. If you’re not incoherently babbling about Fascist Black Jesus the Socialist Nazi and his plan to help the Muslims/Mexicans/Cthulhu enslave the White race at a Tea-Party? Well, you simply hate freedom.

And children. And puppies.


R398929
2 months ago
variable

and lol cats


R398943
2 months ago
jholon

Can I get the url please. You fuckers gonna leave me here alone?


R398947
2 months ago
Trainspotter

www.imaphuckingidiot.com


R398950
2 months ago
Fifi_Lamour

Sweet….now shifty can have total control like he’s always dreamed of and block any dissenting voices from HIS (fake) GNN. Really, it’s what he’s wanted all along. At first he thought he could attain it by racking up GNN points (but the ascent to power through ascending the hierarchy didn’t work out). Then he resorted to entirely uncritical spambotting as a means to try to dominate GNN and everyone else who drops by…but since neither of these strategies worked he’s created a sekrit GNN. Not an alternative GNN or his own thing but his very own sekrit GNN with google ads no less! Hilarious. Nothing like watching a self proclaimed anarchist work out their control issues in public. Join now and let shifty tell you what’s okay to say, do and think and what isn’t!!! While you’re at it, make sure he knows about any illegal activities you may be involved in or planning and if he suggests you do things or offers to sell you some fertilizer…do it!


R398951
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

all social networks are sketchy as fuck as should be approached with the utmost security culture


R398955
2 months ago
SunTzu

well YOU would be the expert on ‘sketchy as fuck’

should be approached with the utmost security culture

Which is the opposite of what you do here. Curious that . . . .


R398956
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

Which is the opposite of what you do here.

the basic premise of security culture is to not talk about any illegal activities undertaken by yourself or people you know.

how, when, and where have i violated this premise of security culture?

what i do is post about the illegal actions of those i am not directly in connection with and who have already made their actions public online, or desire to. i am not and should not be entrusted with any information that could endanger individuals involved (if only because the internet it notoriously insecure as a mode of communication, and surveillance should be assumed).

Post Modified: 09/18/09 11:57:29

R398957
2 months ago
deaner

We have created a splinter cell social network site for GNN members

who made it?


R398959
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

i “made” it, we (whoever chooses to join and contribute) are creating it. this is something that has been discussed behind the scenes here on gnn for quite a while. so far, a few other Gs have joined…

Post Modified: 09/18/09 12:03:57

R398960
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

but users will have a high degree of control to “make” it themselves…


R398961
2 months ago
deaner

sounds good man, let me know.


R398962
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

i think i already did, but will again. check you mail.


R398965
2 months ago
Beagle17

Will one be able to “port” our old GNN blogs (or other stuff) to this new site?

Will this new site possibly do better than GNN at attracting traffic?

Which CMS will it use?


R398968
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

Will one be able to “port” our old GNN blogs (or other stuff) to this new site?

not that i know of, but you can mess around. i’m no tech wizard.

Will this new site possibly do better than GNN at attracting traffic?

doubtfully, but it’s a social networking site as opposed to a news outlet website with merchandise and involvement in the production of films, videos, books, etc.

but i guess that will have to do with the content the users themselves generate, and if it’s something that attracts attention from around the web, then who knows.

you can write articles or repost headlines but the function has just been consolidated into the blog function.

the site, again, is more of a social networking site, and does not have any sort of the meritocratic structure of yard voting system of gnn. i have no idea how to attempt to replicate that at this point in time.

think of this as a complimentary mechanism and community space that allows us to do things we cannot do here. this is not meant to cause a migration from gnn but rather provide an infrastructure in the case of GNNs absence.

Which CMS will it use?

you see what i mean when i say i’m no tech wizard? i don’t even know what that means.

obviously i can only withhold the url until folks start actually generating content, and then of course they are going to want to share it with the world, which is the intent.


R398969
2 months ago
SunTzu

hey Shity, I felt so bad that the trolling caused you and the boys (these things are usually all-male from what i remember of my childhood) to run off and found your own super seekrit website, that I felt I simply had to do something to try and make it up to you.

So I got you a moving-in present . . .

hope it comes in useful for something :)


R398970
2 months ago
jholon

Shifty, can you let me know the url and how to get involved?


R398971
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

thanks Sun, that was very sweet of you.

the url will be openly disclosed shortly, as soon as users start generating content.

we can’t very well withhold it beyond that point, now can we? and why would we? we wouldn’t.


R398972
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

though you have a history of abusive behavior jho, i have never really taken you seriously in that i don’t think you really mean the things you say, but rather just say them to rile people up.

again, once invited users begin to generate content the url will be openly released, and you can give it a try. ideological censorship will not occur but abusive behavior will be moderated and consistently abusive users will be banned. sorry, that’s just how it is.


R398974
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

but i should say, Beag, that the potential is huge, because the larger system it is housed on consists of 1.5 million other networks and 33 million registered users.


R398976
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

oh and for those of you that are over there let me know what you think. if it’s too anarcho or something we can easily change it up, and you should be able to customize your own page to your liking. give me feedback, on this thread please, and thank you!


R398977
2 months ago
deaner

I’ll talk with my associate and see if we can get Iconoclast on there. We could probably do it PDF. That’s some good local content right there.


R398979
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

hell yeah, that would be awesome! or you can also just repost Iconoclast articles on your blog!


R398982
2 months ago
deaner

sick man, i just posted the new Iconoclast on there.. it’s a fack load easier then on GNN


R398983
2 months ago
deaner

have you had any problems with uploading URLs in blog posts? it just shows up blank for me…


R398985
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

haven’t really tried.


R398986
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

oh and for those of you already on there, if you’re posting stuff like deaner now is, feel free to share the url with those you would like to see your work and interact with the underground. user discretion is advised.


R398987
2 months ago
deaner

our next issue is called storms a’ brewin’ then we’ve got one on religion comin’ next. pretty pumped


R398988
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

Looks like antiguaoctane’s site is going nowhere fast

http://www.politics-infozone.com/


R398989
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

huh i forgot about that site, just created an account. i don’t remember if i had an old one. thanks floyd!


R398991
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

oh and for those of you who have been attacking me for creating this space, the network it was created on will allow you to create YOUR VERY OWN social network! so you can have your very own 9/11 Truth network or Patriot/Liberty Movement network or Tea Party network or Alex Joneism network or conspiracy theory network or even a People Who Hate Shifty network. it’s easy and fun!


R398992
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

Can’t wait to see your pigsite!


R398993
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

you should create your very own, floyd.


R398994
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

What’s the network you’re talking about?


R398995
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

i’m just messing around with the forum categories, so those are just random and can be changed. what sort of forum categories would you all like to see?


R398996
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

alright, floyd, it’s going to be released sooner or later anyways so you’ll find the underground if you want to, so i see no harm in telling you: ning.com


R398997
2 months ago
jholon

again, once invited users begin to generate content the url will be openly released, and you can give it a try. ideological censorship will not occur but abusive behavior will be moderated and consistently abusive users will be banned. sorry, that’s just how it is.

I am rarely abusive, only sometimes, maybe 1 in 20 posts, tops. Obviously I am a Zionist so if you consider that abusive, than you have issues. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that Israel is a better country than any of its neighbors. Not that I am the judge of such matters, but the fact that Israel is one of the best countries on earth and Palestine is a hell-hole should give people a hint of reality.

The fact that Israel is one the most humanitarian countries on earth despite the incessant violence of Palestinians. The fact that Israel is where Arabs are the best treated. You want proof, why won’t Arabs leave Israel. Palestinians sure as hell take any opportunity to leave Palestine
.


R398998
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

what sort of forum categories would you all like to see?

9/11 Truth
ETs & UFOs
New World Order Agenda


R399000
2 months ago
jholon

Two special categories could be

People who are threatening to leave

People who have been reading for a long time but never posted, but can’t stay silent any more

Post Modified: 09/18/09 13:52:53

R399002
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

maybe i can consolidate those into one forum, floyd. “Conspiracy Theory” or something. but you can also create a group within the network for that kind of stuff, which has the option of creating its own forum, or you can create your own network altogether on ning. it took me like 15 minutes.


R399003
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

but i mean, are you serious about wanting to contribute to this project? it would mean leaving all the typical gnn shit-talking here on gnn, and being mutually respectful of one another. those who are capable of doing so are welcome to bring diverse perspectives such as conspiracy theory and teabaggery, but abuse will not be tolerated.


R399004
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

yeah I’m serious piggie!


R399007
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

yeah I’m serious piggie!

alright fuck you then. we have a forum space for conspiracy theory where 911 truth etc. is welcome but you are not welcome if you insist on being so immature. fuck you and your “piggie” shit. consider yourself unwelcome and expect prompt banning if you join and say anything abusive like that.


R399008
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

Shifty has teh power to ban users like he’s always wanted!

big man pig man


R399009
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

the reviews are in: “So many buttons on this website… Its like a turbo facebook or something.”


R399010
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

Shifty has teh power to ban users like he’s always wanted!

and the best part is, you have the power to create your own and do the same!


R399011
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

but the only thing that will cause moderation is abusive behavior. not ideology.


R399012
2 months ago
floopin

Members of this new Underground Alternative to GNN: ArtB with his insights into spiritual warfare and smoking, and ShitShagger who’s trying to turn meretricious into a religion for mogs with a heart.


R399013
2 months ago
Memnoch07

Is Floopin going to be allowed to play there too?


R399016
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

depends how s/he chooses to play. again, abusive behavior will not be tolerated. no flame wars. no trolling. banhammer Banhammer BANHAMMER! ;)


R399019
2 months ago
jholon

The flooper is like a fart at a cocktail party. What are you going to do when someone gets all dressed up, sips a martini, chats polite smalltalk then suddenly, without warning, hoping for the ol’ left cheek sneak, mis-times it, cuts the cheese, a big fuck’n wet, drawn out, recovering from bowel flu, held it in since breakfast, chili bean flamethrowing fart.


R399020
2 months ago
Trainspotter

Good stuff Shift. I’ll come and check it out when the time comes. And screw the hypocrite argument, I won’t miss floopy one bit.


R399021
2 months ago
Trainspotter

Floyd – I like to think you are just drinking too much these days.


R399023
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

Good luck, Shift. I hope it works out.


R399025
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

aw man it’s already a lot of fun.


R399026
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

but thanks, i appreciate that.


R399028
2 months ago
Trainspotter

If it can be done; I’d like to request a button at the top of any thread that takes the user to the most recent posting. So much scrolling here on GNN!


R399031
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

our chat feature kicks ass!


R399032
2 months ago
alexander

I do not see what all the bitching and moaning is about over this. Geez. I have not seen this much bitching in a thread since the one where Drewhempel believed someone was out to get him. He was right though, we all were! ;).

People are certainly free to create and do what they want. If Shifty wishes to experiment with this, I do happen to think that is great and look forward to seeing how it develops.


R399042
2 months ago
Memnoch07

You already deleted the first forum post Shifty???


R399043
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

the fag thing? yeah, the author regretted it, so…


R399044
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

it was in the Direct Action forum and didn’t do anything other than call the site’s subheader “gay” and “faggy”

i’ll add an open forum where off-topic forum posts that don’t warrant deletion can be moved. and yes, some things do warrant deletion. see for instance the spam ads that have flooded the gnn forums recently.


R399045
2 months ago
johnnycivil

wait…

i thought I worked dang hard to be a equal opportunity abuser… now you are saying I am both a ‘voice of reason’ and ‘trustworthy’??? For those near mortal insults, I have to post the link for all the smelly little smellies

In the name of freedom!


R399046
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

wow you can even post videos and photos to it from you phone. cool.


R399047
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

i have already exposed the link here on gnn, though i didn’t announce it. it’s hidden yet in plain site.

Post Modified: 09/18/09 20:25:05

R399048
2 months ago
Memnoch07

“it was in the Direct Action forum and didn’t do anything other than call the site’s subheader “gay” and “faggy””

Maybe it is.


R399049
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

you never were able to account for this little slip-up, johnny


R399054
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

R399055
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

R399168
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

take the middle out of gnn and turn it upside down


R399179
2 months ago
johnnycivil

ub?

wha u mean slip up shift? that press pass?

wha slip up… thought u said, “ug, i knew I should have never posted that on gnn”...

so that wud be ur slip up, mon ami

anyway, what does not lead to the man forcibly entering ur pad at 4am is no harm no foul, right?

so can we just have mad hot shit posted there?

dig the graphic mon


R399188
2 months ago
Livingston

shifty – pm me the info for the site when you get a chance i would love to contribute.

thanks for doing this!


R399192
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

wha u mean slip up shift?

you’ve always maintained a female persona here and yet in your story the guy called you
“sir”

pm me the info for the site when you get a chance i would love to contribute.

thought i already did, but will again anyways…


R399193
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

and if those of you that like this idea/project would please vote this blog up it would help get us greater/longer exposure so those who rarely visit GNN any more have a greater chance of seeing it.

also if you know Gs that no longer come here but are capable of contributing without engaging in abusive behavior, please let them know about it.

the url is no longer so much on the down-low.


R399196
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

heh! for $24.95 per month we could go ad-free! or have our own ads. seems kinda steep. the premium services look cool, including getting a url without the social network part in it, but i think i’ll stick with the free version for now.


R399220
2 months ago
variable

sorry, couldn’t help but think of this after reading thru the comments.

best of luck.


R399223
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

love that shit


R399224
2 months ago
GWHunta

PM me as well. Never been abusive, always thinking and considering the notions of others, above or below ground.

Peace,


R399225
2 months ago
Forbes

Can’t wait to find out the url pigboy!


R399227
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

“I am the founder of the GUN social (change from below) network @
guerrillaunderground.ning.com"
-ShitShapers

I think you need more references to guns

and more images of anarchists rioting

http://guerrillaunderground.ning.com/photo

Post Modified: 09/20/09 14:34:50

R399228
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

good work floyd. it’s been posted on my blog and elsewhere for a day.


R399229
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

what was that video forbes? it’s been removed

Post Modified: 09/20/09 16:34:09


R399231
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

I think you need more references to guns

can’t help but wonder how you’d react if one of ours showed up at a protest packin’ heat instead of one of yours.


R399232
2 months ago
desultory01

“ours” “yours” -Shifty

yeah….....


R399233
2 months ago
ShiftShapers


R399234
2 months ago
ShiftShapers


R399235
2 months ago
desultory01

“Oppressive behavior comes in a wide variety of forms, from seemingly harmless jokes to threats of violence” -Shiftshapers

“can’t help but wonder how you’d react if one of ours showed up at a protest packin’ heat instead of one of yours.” -Shiftshapers


R399236
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

in the context of the safer space we hope for the forums to be, what that means is towards other users.

Post Modified: 09/20/09 17:17:08

R399237
2 months ago
desultory01

“in the context of the safer space we hope for the forums to be, what that means is towards other users.
Post Modified: 09/20/09 17:17:08”

uhhhh backpedal a little more there


R399238
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

that’s not backpedaling at all. the safer space anti-oppression policy is meant to apply to user to user interaction. hopefully that’s clear enough.

but whatever. i don’t want to argue with you about it. make of it what you will.


R399239
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

GW – i think i already sent you an invite, but the url is posted now, so…


R399240
2 months ago
desultory01

“user interaction”

on a virtual level, but IRL all bets are off


R399241
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

not at all. this is a virtual space, so the policy on applies to it. but it is modeled on other “safer space” anti-oppression policies common in many radical circles IRL.


R399242
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

for instance, at the rewilding gathering i organized IRL this summer, our policy went like this:

Violence, physical assault, emotional assault, and/or sexual assault will NOT be tolerated under any circumstances and anyone who engages in such assault will be asked to leave. In instances of assault we will trust and believe the survivor and respect any processes of accountability they initiate.

For more information on how our communities deal with assault and accountability, check out our conflict de-escalation/resolution workshop(s) or inquire with event organizers.

In attempting to manifest the world we desire, we will pursue non-coercive means of conflict resolution and non-coercive processes of accountability. Decisions affecting the group will be made horizontally through the utilization of consensus process. If you are unfamiliar with consensus process, check out consensus workshops(s).

and here’s the G20 protest guidelines...


R399243
2 months ago
desultory01

“i don’t want to argue with you about it”

you sure about that?


R399248
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

Shift, just a question regarding the Blog Posts field: Charcoal and gray text on black background? Seriously, that is a rough read.

Of course my eyes aren’t what they were before repeated tubgirl/goatse flashings on the OMFG threads…


R399251
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

i logged in on my old desktop yesterday and noticed that too, truth. on this laptop it’s not dim like that at all. try brightening your screen? if it’s too difficult to read, i can change that, i think. it’s fine for me so just let me know about stuff like that, ‘cause sometimes i think it looks different on different screens/machines, as far as the brightness of the text goes.


R399261
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

Shift, just a question regarding the Blog Posts field: Charcoal and gray text on black background? Seriously, that is a rough read.

you are the nitpicker from hell!!


R399264
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

i logged in on my old desktop yesterday and noticed that too, truth. on this laptop it’s not dim like that at all.

K. I’ll try some different brightness levels tomorrow and see if it helps.

FloydAnderson – you are the nitpicker from hell!!

And you are FloydAnderson!

On Edit: I know, I know… it doesn’t sting, right? But trust me, if i called anyone else here FloydAnderson they’d be hella pissed. Funny that…

Post Modified: 09/20/09 22:47:11

R399265
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

Fuck you prissy pipsqueak from hell!!


R399267
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

See? You’re getting out of that whole ‘pig’ rut! And you used some quality alliteration in this attempt.

I see big things for you, Floyd. Big things. Not great things, not intelligent things, not even ‘coasting just above the mental quality of a carrot’ things. But things, Floyd. THINGS!


R399269
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

yeah, like what pigfucker?


R399272
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

Sigh…

Pigfucker? Now where are you going to go? Seriously. You jumped right to fucker? You have nowhere else to go but ‘cunt’ now. Anything else is simply too weak to keep up the steam you were building.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a strong attempt. You hit hard with this one, and I respect the get-r-done attitude and the drive to jump for the high-hanging fruit.


R399274
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

Fuck you cuntscansuk*!!

*Not all cunts suk


R399277
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

And now what? You turned the amp up to 11. IT ONLY GOES TO 11, FLOYDANDERSON!

I hope you have something fresh and new, FloydAnderson. I’m putting in the effort, I would hope you are taking this seriously as well. If this is just some big time waster for you I could be doing something else pointless and mind numbing, I’ll have you know!

Like fact-checking Prison Planet articles or something…


R399279
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

You’re a pathetic compromised pigcunt from hell!!!


R399280
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

And you remain a FloydAnderson.

Seriously, ask around. It’s quite a hateful thing to call someone online now. Worse than a caustic JEW! thrown in someone’s face on a Palestinian Freedom message board.

I imagine there will be a wiki entry any day now.


R399281
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

Are you jewish jewscansuk?!


R399282
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

Depends… Are you really the FloydAnderson everyone is talking about online, or did you just adopt the name to be all shocking and crass to impress the hardcore GNN ladies?


R399283
2 months ago
Forbes

what was that video forbes? it’s been removed

Aww. ;(

it was scenes from a movie I love about a pig that herds sheep, set to the music of Bill Medley & Jennifer Warnes’ – I’ve Had the Time of My Life.

Here’s one where George says “pig” and John says “cunt”!

And truthcansuk is right, Shift. The colors on your site don’t read well. But best of luck with it.


R399285
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

it was scenes from a movie I love about a pig that herds sheep

Hey, now you’re talkin’

A pig that herds sheep. That’s symbolic!


R399286
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

Depends… Are you really the FloydAnderson everyone is talking about online, or did you just adopt the name to be all shocking and crass to impress the hardcore GNN ladies?

So you’re jewish


R399287
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

got a problem w/jewish?


R399289
2 months ago
variable

holy crap! there’s color!


R399290
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

i think i fixed the problem with the dim text, but let me know. i lightened it up.


R399308
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

Much easier to make out, Shift. Thanks.


R399309
2 months ago
Disenchanted

“got a problem w/jewish?” – no more than with any of the other fire demon worshipers who won’t even admit that he stole most of his aspects from Ahura Mazda


R399311
2 months ago
SunTzu

i lightened it up.

the very idea of you lightening anything up is hilarious


R399317
2 months ago
SunTzu

I was bored today so in an effort to find something to raise a smile on this grumpy face of mine I finally decided to pay a visit to Shifty’s little venture in Web-publishing/Control-freakery (delete as appropriate)

I was not dissappointed.

oh noes.

Since shifty has been pimping his ‘anti-‘oppression’‘ policy I figured that would be the best place to discover a host of examples of intarweb-Lulz/Shifty’s-Control-Freakery (delete as appropriate)

You all can find it posted here under the cuddly sounding title of ‘G.U.N. Anti-Oppression Policy’. And, as I suspected, it is indeed a joy to behold.

Oh I hear you little-kitten-cuddlers and rent-a-mob participants readying your sharpist anti-oppressor barbs in order to put me in my place, after all what sort of curmudgeonly fuckwit could object to anything with ‘anti-‘oppression’‘ in the title, right?

It’s a short piece which alone raised my spirits a little as it caused me to wonder: “Hey, Sunny, maybe you’re being too presumptious about all this, after all Shifty usually posts reams and reams of pc-bs, so maybe now that he’s posting shorter pieces it might mean that he’s decided to turn over a new leaf with this Control-freak project of his’

Here it is in it’s entirety;

In an effort to create a safe® space for everyone participating in this community, these forums are moderated space. Abusive and oppressive behavior and language (towards other users) are not welcome and will not be tolerated. We define abusive and oppressive behavior as any conduct (typically along lines of institutionalized power and privilege) that demeans, marginalizes, REJECTS, threatens or harms any living being on the basis of ability, activist experience, age, class/income level, cultural background, education, ethnicity, gender, immigration status, language, nationality, physical appearance, race, religion, self-expression, sexual orientation, species, status as a parent or other such factors. Oppressive behavior comes in a wide variety of forms, from seemingly harmless jokes to threats of violence, from interrupting to verbal abuse, from unwanted touching to rape, from hitting to murder. Some forms are more extreme and irreparable than others, but all are unacceptable under G.U.N.‘s anti-oppression policy. (Adapted from the Earth First! Journal’s Anti-Oppression Policy)

Now I don’t know if it’s just the fact that I wouldn’t trust Shifty as far as I’d throw him, but my interpretation of that declaration is that it contains enough vague clauses and imprecise languge as to make it possible for Shifty-the-control-freak to ban or censor anyone for just about anything,

In fact I’d go so far as to say that it is a policy statement specifically designed so as to allow the moderator to oppress (through censorship or banning) the speech and ideas of any individual with whom Shifty-the-control-freak disagrees, irrespective of any ‘oppressive’ intent percieved orotherwise.

It contains enough vague clauses imprecise languge to make a Bush White House legal council green with envy.

John Yoo would probably declare this a masterpiece of legalistic sophistry if given the opportunity to comment

How someone for example could ‘interrupt’ someone on a web-forum is a question only the most anal of metaphysicians might even momentarily consider contemplating

A finer example of legalistic douchbaggery masquerading as ‘concern’ for the ‘oppressed’ I have yet to read

Post Modified: 09/22/09 10:08:19

R399319
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

I wondered when someone else would read that…


R399320
2 months ago
W089MuttaFickas

ill check it out. the chick with the monkey picture really doesnt like you. you are a girl fifi, right? Ill look at yo site but i aint buyin any fuckin fertilizer!

muhahaha

peace


R399321
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

Shift, after reading your stuff on security culture (think it was your stuff) I’m curious as to whether or not you would suggest that your users not post their real names and/or pictures?

Simply clicking on the ‘users’ link gives one a list of everyone on your site. Could you maybe make it so you only have access to people’s avatar pics/blogs after they sign up for an account? Or would that be considered excessively paranoid?


R399324
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

How someone for example could ‘interrupt’ someone on a web-forum is a question only the most anal of metaphysicians might even momentarily consider contemplating

heh.

yeah some of the examples in there are definitely IRL examples, so don’t really fit in the internet world. it is modeled on an IRL anti-oppression policy from our friends at the Earth First! Journal. obviously we’re not going to be raping and murdering one another on the message boards. and again, this is meant for user to user interaction.


R399327
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

I’m curious as to whether or not you would suggest that your users not post their real names and/or pictures?

unless you choose to do so, as i have done in many cases such as here on GNN, it is never a good idea to post your real name and photo in the internet. for me it’s kinda too late and i’m fine with that. i do not encourage people to use their real names/faces, but if they do, that’s there choice. that’s my real photo even though i am masked.

and no i don;t think i can make folks names not show. they should just use a nom de guerre if they want to remain anonymous.

Post Modified: 09/22/09 10:24:59

R399329
2 months ago
W089MuttaFickas

wtf? i thought i posted here?

ill check out yo site.

peace


R399330
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

you did muttafricka! it’s on page 2 now which you have to go all the way to the bottom in page one in the forum to get to.

Post Modified: 09/22/09 10:29:47

R399332
2 months ago
xenonix

but…but….does it have a store?


R399334
2 months ago
SunTzu

a nom de guerre

holy-freaking-fake-anarchy, Batperson!!11!!!!!

is there no end to this man’s autonomous-individual-who-self-identifies-as-a-member-of-the-male-sex-‘s self-delusion & fakery?

(whoops!, nearly set myself up for an accusation of ‘oppressive labeling’)

Post Modified: 09/22/09 10:43:41

R399335
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

nom de plume. alias. handle. whatevs/


R399340
2 months ago
SunTzu

i know, ‘alias’ or ‘handle’ just doesn’t sound as goshdarned AWESOME as nom de guerre does it?

Kid next door used that have that problem when i was younger.

when his mom used to scream “If I told ya once I told ya a thousand times, my D-cup underwired black brazierre is NOT to be used as a substitute for mickey mouse ears” he used to go red from the embarrassment


R399341
2 months ago
SunTzu

she had a point, after all he was 14 at the time


R399342
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

heh


R399345
2 months ago
Beagle17

think you need more references to guns

and more images of anarchists rioting

:-D

Less cowbell. I agree.


R399346
2 months ago
Beagle17

think you need more references to guns

and more images of anarchists rioting

:-D

Less cowbell. I agree.


R399352
2 months ago
Fifi_Lamour

Xen – Not yet but it apparently has google ads and is run using a “benevolent dictator” policy. Though good on shifty for kind of starting his own thing, even if the main intent is essentially exclusionary.


R399355
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

is run using a “benevolent dictator” policy.
the main intent is essentially exclusionary

heh, nice try. keep it up. you’ll get it one of these times. i’m sure.


R399356
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

it is meant only to be exclusionary of abusive behavior


R399357
2 months ago
Trainspotter

the main intent is essentially exclusionary.

It’s too early for me to offer you a beer Fifi, but I’ll call you on that anyway. I confess to enjoying the battles that you and Shift engage in on occasion; both sides. That said, there’s no need to bait him on such a point – his “main intent” has been clearly stated.

A lot of people have been talking about an alternative site for a long time and at the end of the day, someone had to make it happen. If Shifty is overly exclusionary, and obviously that is a relative remark, then you will be appropriately vindicated. For now let’s see where it goes.


R399358
2 months ago
SunTzu

remember kiddies

it’s for your own good. You’ll thank him later


R399359
2 months ago
SunTzu

The Safety and Security of all users is at all times his utmost concern

Post Modified: 09/22/09 12:03:47

R399360
2 months ago
SunTzu

on the subject of Shifty’s trustworthiness and general propensity for fairness, accuracy and respect for the truth . . .

i would like to state that i feel SunTzu’s falsified image is a death threat against me as well as a general threat to my safety.ShitShaper, 4 Weeks ago


R399363
2 months ago
SunTzu

this occurred after he’d initially posted

i’m totally using that for my profile photo…

he actually DID do that for about 20 minutes and then thought better of it, the dork. If he had any balls he’d have kept it there, but then it IS Shifty we’re talking about here . . . .

then

ha! that looks AWESOME! thanks!

and

wait wait wait… look at my blog now… where it says “Occupation” . . . LOLZ!!!!

followed by

heh floyd. he got me good didn’t he? the fucker! i like ‘im!

and then eventually

you see. this is why gnn is the shit. where else would this sort of shit fly? HEH!

took him a while to figure out that he could twist it to his own ends by seeking sympathy from the utterly gullible through false claims about fears for his safety.

Post Modified: 09/22/09 12:48:37

R399365
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

with the rising threat of right-wing fascist backlash in this country, i stand by that statement. that was just a fucking stupid and dangerous thing to do, sun.


R399366
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

he could twist it to his own ends by seeking sympathy from the utterly gullible through false claims about fears for his safety.

or maybe attempts at finding humor in something is an appropriate response to a totally fucked up situation.

Post Modified: 09/22/09 12:16:45

R399368
2 months ago
SunTzu

with the rising threat of right-wing fascist backlash in this country, i stand by that statement. that was just a fucking stupid and dangerous thing to do, sun.

whatever . . . whooh, booga booga, ubiquitous right wing facists are gonna totally kill me!!!! Poor oppressed ME!!! I is a VICTUM of oppressive behaviour I tells ya!!!!!

or maybe attempts at finding humor in something is an appropriate response to a totally fucked up situation.

or more likely an unguarded first reaction before the usual instinct for sympathy seeking in the guise of moral outrage in the form of concern for safety.


R399369
2 months ago
SunTzu

if you were actually responsible for ratting-out Leftist anarchists, why the fuck would right wing FASCISTS (!!111!!!! FFS) want to kill you, you moron?

Wouldn’t they be more likely to want to buy you a beer or something?

Post Modified: 09/22/09 12:59:31

R399370
2 months ago
SunTzu

Lulz


R399371
2 months ago
SunTzu

knowing what a totally pathetic slimey sympathy-seeking little weasel you are1, I kept the proof

1 (is that specie-ism?)


R399406
2 months ago
ZoeBlunt

Keep on compiling that proof, Sun. Hurry up! It’s getting away from you.


R399412
2 months ago
SunTzu

No, i don’t think it is actually Zoe


R399413
2 months ago
W089MuttaFickas

everybody, dont worry about the google ads on GUN they are fuckin hilarious. some of them really fit. I get german ads but translated it looks like this:

looking for terrorism? we have all kinds of terrorism! click here for terrorism!

muahahaha!

floyd (i think) said somethin really fuckin deep somewhere back there

“A pig leading a bunch of sheep”

prbably describes about 90% of so called “radical” organisations worldwide.

Peace


R399446
2 months ago
SunTzu

Steer clear of that ’50% off terrorism’

That shits chinese.

Laced with melamine

Breaks first time ya try to use it.


R399451
2 months ago
remarcus

you have to cut melamine with masking tape, then mount it fully, all screws snug…

trust me, itll hold

an alternative to GNN, where?


R399460
2 months ago
johnnycivil

johnnycivil may o may not be a collective

like i said, flustered filth calls everyone with a .45 sir


R399729
2 months ago
Forbes

Damn, Shift…. you’re even pissing off other so called “anarchists” with your new little adventure…

SnitchWire. Send your “snitch” comments to their gmail account. lulz.

Oh, almost forgot….breaking GNN news:

GNN is most likely dead

Post Modified: 09/24/09 14:50:40

R399736
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

yeah forbes i am “Dirty Hands” on that thread. also see the post about that over on GUN. here’s the interaction i had with the snitchwire folks, which i share w/their permission:

hey there!

I hope you didn’t take our post personally or perceive it as a slam against
you or Dirty Hands. We actually love the work you guys do and want to visit!
Commends as well for reaching for accountability, which really I hope you’re
not concerned too much about because GUN seemed well-intentioned, not as a
trap for young, internet-savvy activists to link up with informants (which
is what we see anarchists on the internet in danger of).

Generally, we recognize that facebook/myspace/ning/whatever is just bad
security culture. It can be nice to find friends online (hopefully that
translate to real life), but when a third party can literally trace back
that whole web of communication back to certain liable individuals, it
becomes a hazard to struggle.

I don’t deny that it could be convenient for radicals to link up securely on
the web. I wish crabgrass was more. Unfortunately, doing it through free
services like ning or facebook (they are all the same, really) isn’t secure
and it could put the more naive or young at unnecessary risk. Not to
mention, a little muckraking lead us to some gnarly conclusions on who might
own ning and thus revealing possible horrible scenarios that could arise
through using the service.

If you are really interested about facilitating this kind of project, why
not contact the crabgrass team and see if they could use some help? As for
the future of GUN, we would recommend addressing the points brought up in
our article on site and warning users of potential consequences. The idea
that a radical social networking site could merely facilitate introductions
between new friends and encourage communication between old friends far away
from each other is something that makes us excited. However, taking a look
at the site now, it appears there’s people talking openly about tagging fed
buildings and shit. Educating people about basic security culture (NO WAR
STORIES/BRAGGING!) could help GUN be a positive tool rather than a haven for
agent provocateurs and spies collecting data.

Thank you for your concern, I hope we can meet on better terms soon!

in solidarity

snitchwire

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:34 AM, wrote:

> hey there snitchwire.
>
> i created GUN, and guess i’m an internet novice, because i was unaware of
> the problems you bring up.
>
> i want to be accountable to my community and am wondering what advise you
> have. just abandon the project?
>
> and shouldn’t snitchwire make similar statements about the more popular
> social networking sites (myspace, facebook, etc.) before a project by and
> for anarchists?
>
> i was unaware of ning’s fucked up nature and thank you for bringing that
> to my attention.
>
> i am also trying to learn about internet security which i know nothing
> about so forgive me if i’ve fucked up somehow.
>
> soidarity,
>
> -Ab Irato


R399745
2 months ago
Disenchanted

Are you really that naive shift?


R399749
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

not about the security concerns. i use myspace and facebook all the time for aboveground organizing, but not under any illusions that they are safe or secure or an appropriate place to discuss underground activities.

but actually i guess i was naive enough to think folks would understand that ning is on the level of myspace or facebook (or gnn for that matter) when it comes to security. we’ve stepped up the security culture discussion at GUN and i’ve added a security warning to the front page:

For now GUN is hosted on Ning, a third-party host which provides a free and easy platform with lots of features, but comes with serious security concerns. GUN should thus be considered about as secure as Myspace or Facebook, which is to say, not secure at all. For an introduction to security culture, which should be utilized at all times on and off the internet, click here.

Post Modified: 09/24/09 16:43:36

R399980
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

Hey Shift, I’m gonna need a new place to play online once this place does a half-gainer into the internet tar-pits. Do the ‘be nice to others even if they’re really stupid’ policy extend to your site’s chatbox as well?


R399982
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

there are plenty of ways to be mean to people without engaging in “conduct (typically along lines of institutionalized power and privilege) that demeans, marginalizes, rejects, threatens or harms any living being on the basis of ability, activist experience, age, class/income level, cultural background, education, ethnicity, gender, immigration status, language, nationality, physical appearance, race, religion, self-expression, sexual orientation, species, status as a parent or other such factors.”

so the answer to your question is yes, the chat box should be a safe space for all in the same way the forums and comment threads are, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be “nice” to people.


R400393
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

Post Modified: 09/27/09 00:16:41

R400397
2 months ago
aganunitsi

I just registered under my current handle over at GUN. I’ll be lurking there after this place is kaput. Maybe I’ll even do more than leave comments.


R400443
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

glad to have you aboard!


R400505
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

Find me on Facebook @ facebook.com/estudiante.insurgente

Tweet with me @ twitter.com/rebelinsurgent

i manage several different group/organizational myspace accounts but don’t have a personal one. but if you’re on myspace and want to connect:

www.myspace.com/dirtyhandscollective
www.myspace.com/durangofoodnotbombs
www.myspace.com/durangocriticalmass
www.myspace.com/animassds
www.myspace.com/feralfutures


R400507
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

Good Lord, man… are you chained to the machine or what?!?


R400508
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

sometimes i think so but recently i’ve felt better about it because i am faced with the demise of my biggest online project, my GNN blog etc., and find that i’m not terribly disappointed. but maybe i’ve been psychologically preparing myself for this for a while now.

regardless, the myspace pages are purely outreach as an organizing tool. i wish they weren’t so powerful but with kids these days it’s a great way to get information out about events, etc.

but yeah, for a long time i resisted social networks and talked mad shit on them, and i still will, but i have succumbed to them as an outreach tool, which has already proven very effective. i’ve gotten bad-ass groups like Savage Family to come play shows through Myspace and have had many people contact me and get involved after seeing one of the pages there.

anyways i am of the mind that the master’s tools can indeed be used to destroy the master’s house. i recognize the security concerns of social networks and behave accordingly, only posting above-ground info that i would also flier around town for or write in to the local newspaper about.


R400510
2 months ago
W089MuttaFickas

what up!

First of all, It depends if the motherfucker is POINTING the .45 at me;-).

Sorry shift, but in my opinion, Twittering is for fags. hahahahaha.

im kidding! But you gotta admit, it does sound gay.

go on, I twitttttered you!

hahaha!

peace


R400511
2 months ago
W089MuttaFickas

the guy with the “water the tree of freedom” poster is fuckin badass. I hope some politicians see that and their nuts get reeeeal small!

peace


R400513
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

the guy with the “water the tree of freedom” poster is fuckin badass.

fuck no he isn’t!

The man is William Kostric of New Hampshire, and as Adele M. Stan reported for AlterNet, “his message was sponsored with the tacit approval of a social networking site promoted by a well-connected Republican public-relations firm.”


R400517
2 months ago
W089MuttaFickas

the holster was weird.

But let me get something straight. Isnt he referring to benjamin franklin, i think, saying that governments have to be toppled every now and then, watering the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots?

because i second that!


R400518
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

i third that sentiment, but unfortunately it’s being voiced by the fascist right.

and i think it was the blood of patriots and tyrants.

the radical right is tyrannical, though they would present themselves as patriotic. i for one reject patriotism in favor of bio-centric matriotism (loyalty to the earth rather than a nation-state) and understand “patriotism” to be a mechanism of undermining revolutionary dissent. in our case i think the “patriots” will be the tyrants against the revolutionary forces. the radical right will call themselves revolutionary but they will actually be a counter-insurgency force.


R400519
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

counter-revolutionary forces typically consider themselves to be revolutionary. see the Contras in Nicaragua.


R400529
2 months ago
W089MuttaFickas

oops. I forgot the tyrants. kind of important, huh?

now the question is, does that make me suicidal?

muahahaha

but your probably right, i could just imagine right wing nutjobs speeding around in SUVs whacking peope with AR-15s, in the name of liberty.

their really isnt that much to be patriotic about as an american, other than maybe kicking the english in the balls.

so your loyal to the earth. ok.

one hypothetical question though. lets say the world solves its problems, the moneybags that rule us all are actually stuck in a court, we achieve something close to world peace, solve world hunger and so on and so forth. science skyrockets, as does the population. it starts getting full, to a point where human beings DO actually have a negative impact on the ecosystem( in my opinion present day population levels could easily be maintained without negatively impacting the environment, i can say more on that if you want) and we all decide, in a mutual effort, that we have to populate mars? so we mount a huge mission with fission or fusion reactors powering a gigantic spaceship with hundreds of thousands of passengers and we get to mars and then?

how are you gonna be loyal to the earth? I guess you could worship it, like the satanists saturn, or all the christains the sun, or all..

im just fucking with you!

I respect what you believe. I just believe humans do come first, if possible. But Natures nice, too;-)

peace


R400530
2 months ago
W089MuttaFickas

goddamn I should have looked at that mans face! he looks like a complete asshole.


R400531
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

he looks like a fucking meerkat to me.


R400536
2 months ago
W089MuttaFickas

aahahaha

i googled it!


R400538
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

Mutt – Isnt he referring to benjamin franklin, i think, saying that governments have to be toppled every now and then, watering the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots?

The quote was from Thomas Jefferson. And I’m all for it, but you have to go first…

Still, it’s kind of a pussy fight to pick. I mean, if your side wins, well, you win and the other side is watering the tree of liberty. If you lose and the other side wins they’ll institute universal healthcare and fix you up.


R400539
2 months ago
xenonix

or…you just go fly a kite


R400540
2 months ago
charlie

I agree with shift, he’s got a meerkat thing going on.


R400546
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

I agree with W089’s original take that William Kostric is a fuckin badass.


I think Shifty’s girlfriend Adele M. Stan at AlterNet is a really annoying writer.


R400547
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

pfft nice try


R400548
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

The man is William Kostric of New Hampshire, and as Adele M. Stan reported for AlterNet, “his message was sponsored with the tacit approval of a social networking site promoted by a well-connected Republican public-relations firm.”

lulz


R400549
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

fuck no he isn’t!

lulz


R400551
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

lulz all you want, the tea party, patriot, and liberty movements are manufactured and controlled by the radical right.


R400553
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

lulz all you want, the tea party, patriot, and liberty movements are manufactured and controlled by the radical right.

had to quote that one.

lulzmfao!


R400555
2 months ago
aganunitsi

If someone can show me a single image of Tea Partiers holding placards in protest of decades of massive military spending, I’ll join the movement.

“To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years.” ~ Constitution of the United States of America

Since we’re Facebook friends now, Shifty, you might be able to tell that I copypasted the above from a Facebook conversation I had with my mom.


R400556
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

lulz all you want, the tea party, patriot, and liberty movements are manufactured and controlled by the radical right.

That’s like me saying all anarchist movements are manufactured and controlled by agent provocateur piggies….....which I wouldn’t say of course b/c I don’t demonize people with such broad and inaccurate portrayals.

Post Modified: 09/28/09 15:57:28

R400770
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

you have to approach these issues very carefully otherwise folks tend to react like Floyd reacts over on GNN when I tell him the Tea Parties are FreedomWorks and Dick Armey’s brainchild.

I see you’re smearing me at GUN smearshapers

Here’s your quote again pigboy:

lulz all you want, the tea party, patriot, and liberty movements are manufactured and controlled by the radical right.

you are full of shit


R400774
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

I see you’re smearing me at GUN smearshapers

what you mean like this? *

i was merely pointing out that if you just lay the truth out in a confrontational way, people react in a knee-jerk fashion. and yes, you prove my point. thanks.

Post Modified: 09/29/09 17:12:49

R400775
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

i don’t think anyone who levels false accusations against others that they are pigs has any room to talk about smearing.


R400776
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

your pigstink is so obvious and hideous pigboy.

you have admitted that you hate the United States and are trying to bring it down, and your piggish smears of liberty movements disgust me.


R400777
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

here, have a tissue…


R400778
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

you have admitted [sic] that you hate the United States and are trying to bring it down

now run along and file your report, mr. patriot


R400783
2 months ago
Truthcansuk

Oh, I am soooooooo keeping a copy of that baby pic for future use. Many thanks!


R400806
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

congrats on the birth of your son pigshapers. he looks just like you!


R400811
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

R400812
2 months ago
ShiftShapers


R400851
2 months ago
FloydAnderson

R400856
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

heh


R401006
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

an alternative to GUN is VoteStrike, also on ning. you can find me there too. but i didn’t create it and i have no moderation abilities.


R401224
2 months ago
ShiftShapers

granted, there are those who think i created this website as my own personal playground, which i control, and where i can moderate content as i choose.

well, this is not the case. this GUN is for you. in the interest of the horizontal and anti-authoritarian democratization of GUN, i would like to share the information about “roles” that i can access, add, and change with my management features:

Roles on your social network enable you to set up different types of administrators.

Here’s the breakdown of the specific permissions you can grant to a role:

Appearance: Access to the Appearance page, including ability to change the theme, settings, or add or remove CSS.

Blog: Tag, feature, and delete blog posts. Delete comments. If blog moderation is on, approve pending blog posts.

Events: Feature or delete events. Delete comments. Send message to guests.

Forum: Access to Manage Forum page, including ability to add, edit, and delete categories and change discussion style. Tag, feature, close, and re-open discussions. Delete discussions or replies.

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R401226
2 months ago
SunTzu

Sounds like a Control-Freak’s wet-dream.

May I be the first to offer my Congratulations on this, the occasion of your discovery of the means to create your very own, potentially towering, top-down cyber-heirarchy?


R402255
1 month ago
ShiftShapers

GUN is functionally very similar to GNN or even myspace and facebook or any kind of blog/membership site. It’s just ‘skinned’ with anarcho-graphics and so forth. There doesn’t seem to be any specific information to suggest that GUN is run by feds or infiltrators or anything and I don’t think people should go around spreading those rumors either – just encourage each other not to talk about specific info openly on the net.

However, GUN is using ning.com service which is not activist friendly or equipped with security in mind at all, and no doubt they would cooperate with law enforcement whether through subpoenas or simply voluntarily. This is the same for gmail, facebook, meetup, myspace, whatever – which a startling number of anarchist types use on the regular.

It is a shame that there aren’t collectively-run equivalents that people can use to these corporations (or are there? riseup.net, crabgrass, aktivix, or just learn how to set up and maintain your own server etc).

Or maybe another reason why people use these popular services is because they are just that – popular. It’s easy to spread the word about something very easily through something like myspace or facebook – especially about things like shows, benefits, etc.

Guess it all comes down to what was mentioned in an earlier comment (and even echoed in GUN’s website text): specific plans / personal info especially about potentially illegal activities shouldn’t ever be typed into a computer period, much less posted on the internet on a blog or whatever.


R402284
1 month ago
W089MuttaFickas

As soon as GNN goes down, I too shall lurk on your site.

But since I still have trouble with one website, ima wait till this bitch is done for;-)


R402331
1 month ago
desultory01

Shifty is picking up all of gnn’s leftovers, good to knwo.


R402337
1 month ago
sisyphus

The CIA is picking up all of gnn’s leftovers, good to knwo

the more things change . . . the more they stay the same


R402341
1 month ago
bravenew

I hope GNN just stays open. I just got here. But I read it was closing before I signed up, so I guess I shouldn’t bitch. What’s wrong, the owners who run this place don’t like it anymore? But you all seem like such nice people! (ha). No really, you guys seem pretty cool. That sucks they are shutting it down.

Also, to address CIA conspiracy theory posts… I don’t think it’s true, and here’s why. If the CIA ran this website they would not be closing it down or even talking about closing it down. Even hinting about closing it down makes regulars leave and shuts out potential new members. In other words, I doubt the CIA even reads this site, let alone runs it. Just my opinion – could be wrong.

For the owners who really do run it – I hope you reconsider and keep it open. This is a good site, and I would like to continue posting here.

Edit: Okay, they probably READ it. They read everything, right?

Post Modified: 10/14/09 12:28:42

R402816
1 month ago
ShiftShapers

249 apps and i can only find one that i like, the RSS feed mixer…


R402817
1 month ago
ShiftShapers

bravenew, a lot of the “gnn is a psyops” shit is based on conjecture surrounding Ford Foundation grant money, and though the FF might be shady globalist shit, that doesn’t mean everyone they give $ to is a psyop or some shit. that’s just reaching. Democracy Now! got similar grants and though there is a grain of truth to the leftist gatekeeper critiques put forward by Truthers i believe DN! and Amy Goodman to be well-intentioned.


R402820
1 month ago
FloydAnderson

and what a coincidence that GNN’s Banhammer Lappe is also an obvious gatekeeper!


R402848
1 month ago
ShiftShapers

meh, maybe he would be if he had enough clout, but i don’t think he has enough recognition to be bestowed the status of gatekeeper in any meaningful sense.


R402849
1 month ago
ShiftShapers

but in this context, anyone who doesn’t take something as far as you do becomes labeled a “gatekeeper.”


R402850
1 month ago
FloydAnderson

GNN was ruled for years by ban-happy anti-9/11 truther Anthony Lappe. He is clearly a 9/11 gatekeeper.

Post Modified: 10/18/09 20:15:09

R402856
1 month ago
ShiftShapers

please cite an incident of Banthony banning people for posting about 9/11 Truth.

if he banned 9/11 Truthers for being abusive that’s another story entirely.

i don’t think he ever banned anyone for posting about 9/11 Truth, even if he disagrees with it, but he may have banned 9/11 Truthers for violating the ground rules he put forward for the community, found in the FAQ.

it is however certainly true that he’s blocked user-written articles on the grounds that they made claims without factual citation.


R402857
1 month ago
FloydAnderson

hahahahaha

you’re a gatekeeper apologist!


R402863
1 month ago
ShiftShapers

in other words, no, you can’t cite such an example, because it never happened.

you wanna talk gatekeepers? i know many websites where even mentioning conspiracy theories can get you banned. that is obviously not the case on gnn. you’re free to post as many blogs as you want about 9/11 Truth. there are many websites where this is not the case, particularly lefty-ish news-ish sites.


R402865
1 month ago
FloydAnderson

Why are you so keen to defend Anthony? What I stated was that he was a ban-happy anti-9/11 truther. Do you think he wasn’t a ban-happy anti-9/11 truther?

I do really like how people aren’t banned around here anymore.


R402866
1 month ago
ShiftShapers

defend him? heh, i was merely pointing out that it is not accurate to characterize anthony as someone who bans 9/11 Truthers because they’re 9/11 Truthers.

if you’re just saying that he’s anti-9/11 Truth and also happens to have been ban-happy for a while there, then sure, i agree.

I do really like how people aren’t banned around here anymore.

yeah it’s really great that you and fetch have each other to pat one another on the back.


R402868
1 month ago
Truthcansuk

Floydster – What I stated was that he was a ban-happy anti-9/11 truther.

And a gatekeeper. Unless you were making some vague reference to Anthony’s resemblance to the character Zuul, played by Sigourney Weaver in Ghostbusters, you implied that he gets rid of people for bringing up certain subjects, encourages certain subjects, or steers conversation away from certain subjects with his actions.

I do really like how people aren’t banned around here anymore.

I find it interesting how many people have pointed out that Anthony has let this place fall apart with his lack of moderation, and yet some of those same people were the most vocal when he’s banned people.

Strange world, this internet…


R402872
1 month ago
bravenew

911 was an inside job! The elite orchastrated the entire thing, then stood down and watched it happen so they could launch a never ending war on terror/sanity and restrict everyones civil liberties.

Post Modified: 10/18/09 23:06:07

R402873
1 month ago
ShiftShapers

how original of you


R402874
1 month ago
FloydAnderson

I find it interesting how many people have pointed out that Anthony has let this place fall apart with his lack of moderation, and yet some of those same people were the most vocal when he’s banned people.

Personally, I don’t mind the lack of moderation. The lack of article publishing is something I have a problem with though.


R402880
1 month ago
Namaste_Rich


R404549
2 weeks ago
ShiftShapers

death bump

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