Sunday, November 15, 2009

TEA party: field reports, interviews, and race politics.

TEA party: field reports, interviews, and race politics.

Thu, 23 Apr 2009 09:59:56 -0500
R384545
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

The third interview is the most interesting in my opinion.

Thoughts?


R384564
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

anyone…?


R384568
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

A one vote? Really? No comment, nothing, just a one vote.

Lame.

Whether your for or against the Tea party’s my report gets a one vote?

If you had bothered to watch the video you might have agreed with some of the views expressed by those I interviewed because they were against the Tea Party.

But did you watch it.. no.

You just assumed that it was something that it wasn’t.

On a site that promotes activist journalism you would think whoever voted on this would have bothered to watch and engage in a debate rather that just bs 1 votes.

Post Modified: 04/23/09 12:12:17

R384569
7 months ago
COS

Being many steps ahead of the masses, if not being the pavers of the road they/we walk, putting O+bama in office was the ultimate subterfuge. Just like the controversy about the tax protest is that people from the pro tax side are joining a movement to undermine it, the same tactic is used to undermine the movement of people who would generally like “change.”

Seeing that Blacks are getting more prominent/mainstream and that the mainstream is becoming more grassroots they get a grassrootsy black man to (mis)lead us.
The strategy is evident in how the Black man will actually stand behind a crook president simply because he is black. This means he will use his power to defend this president under just about any circumstance.


R384574
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

I think you nailed it. Its mind control, plain and simple.

I can’t get it to upload now but wait until you see the second part of this interview.


R384580
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

The strategy is evident in how the Black man will actually stand behind a crook president simply because he is black.

i can agree with you that they are manipulating people on this one.

that said, Floyd used the same damn rationalization (he must be good ‘cause he’s black, i mean, c’mon! if you’re against him you must be racist or some shit) in his mindless embrace of that fuck face Alan Keyes.

on edit: well, okay, after going and finding the quote, linked above, what he actually said is that Obama defenders will have a hard time accusing Keyes of simple racism against Obama, since they’re both black, or Obama’s half black, or whatever the fuck.

but i still think Floyd and others latch on the Keyes as some sort of good person to have on your team just because he’s black and is saying shit now that he should have been fucking saying under Bush. they ignore the fact that he’s a homophobic war monger who is close friends with neocons like Bill Kristol of PNAC fame, whom he roomed with in college, and who ran a campaign for him later in life.

PS – the one vote thing always bothers me, mostly because i am often the victim of such ideological voting on this site. i either vote five or don’t vote at all. but that’s also because i know even votes of one, if you get five of them, puts a blog on the top blogs listing.

so folks, don’t vote one for blogs you dislike. just don’t vote for them. because even if you vote one, you’re helping it get to the top blogs list.

good work on the interviews Hack. there was a lot of legitimate rage at the TEA Parties. what i would like to see is the “movement” acknowledge and confront the role of the likes of Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks and FOX News in co-opting and hijacking the peoples’ rage and channeling it into actually supporting the interests of the financial elite, rather than the actual people, and then TURN ON THEM, expose them for what they are and what they’ve done, and then move on to true grassroots resistance free of corporate and lobbyist influence, be it right or left in nature.

Post Modified: 04/23/09 12:57:38

R384583
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

and goddamnit Alex Jones needs to tell FOX News to fuck off.

i’m no AJ fan, but even i am surprised by his recent level of shoulder-rubbing with Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation (aka FOX News).


R384585
7 months ago
Disenchanted

5 for no 3, don’t have time to watch the others right now…


R384588
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

but yeah, you gotta realize that the folks who were really really amazed to be a party to the historical event of electing America’s first black president are going to have a really hard time admitting that Obama is what he is, particularly the black people that lined up behind him.

that said, it was great to see how many blacks were speaking out against Obama before the election. that was highly encouraging, and helped give me confidence in my own speaking out against Obama. in Denver at the DNC we were always hollering at folks wearing Obama gear, and when those people happened to be black, i would cite the likes of Mumia, Pam Africa, Chairman Fred Hampton Jr., Cynthia McKinney, etc.


R384589
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

this is assimilationist politics, and it pays to ask whether or not a black person can be involved, in a position of power, in maintaining a system that is fundamentally white supremacist. or has, by virtue of having a person of color in a position of power, the white supremacist nature of our system been overcome? i find the former much more likely than the latter.

this is why folks like the Minutemen work so hard to bring in people of color. almost every time i speak of the Minutemen as a racist organization, someone cites the fact that there is at least one black member. at that point i just say, okay, fine, whatever, we’ll just go with bigoted and xenophobic. you ain’t gotta be a whitey to be a bigoted xenophobe.


R384591
7 months ago
Truthcansuk

Good job, Hack.


R384607
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

i agree with a lot of what that guy in the third video said at first, but not the whole pro-Obomber slant he puts on it.

i feel a lot of the people that are out in force now truly were not out in force during the Bush admin, when things were at least as bad if not worse.

that said, as you point out, there are many who were protesting and resisting during the Bush admin, who also resist Obama, such as myself.

but wait a minute, Hack, did you insinuate that you had been tasered and attacked protesting Bush policies? “those of us”?!?


R384610
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

i like how you say you’re worried about the same sort of crappy infiltration shit that MoveOn did with the anti-war movement happening to this “movement,” but wonder then why you have seemed resistant to my insistence that we expose the interests behind these TEA Parties: Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks.

actually, this has all already been exposed. i’m just asking for those true revolutionaries who were a part of the TEA Parties to acknowledge and confront the fact that those rallies were infiltrated, co-opted, and orchestrated from the get-go, even if there were legitimate ones during the Bush era, like the ones the Paulites organized.

what i see is way too much denial from folks about the FreedomWorks issue. we need to acknowledge and confront it so we can move past it. as of now, until we do, it will only continue to divide us.


R384611
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

I can’t get it to upload now but wait until you see the second part of this interview.

i want to see it too…


R384614
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

but wait a minute, Hack, did you insinuate that you had been tasered and attacked protesting Bush policies? “those of us”?!?

I told you I was attacked by mounted police at a haliburton protest.

but I was speaking of “we” as in the liberty movement.


R384616
7 months ago
Number5Toad

there was a lot of legitimate rage at the TEA Parties

pity it was so misdirected


R384620
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

I told you I was attacked by mounted police at a haliburton protest.

huh. must have just spaced that one. did you get it on camera? i got pinned to a wall by a riot horse in Denver when the guy was using the back end of his horse to shove people around. i don’t think he meant to pin me because i let out a yelp as the weight of the horse began to crush me and force the air out of my lungs (ever been crushed in a crowd at a huge-ass concert? people die from that shit), and the officer promptly directed the horse to let his weight off me once he realized i was pinned between his horse and the building. it was when the reclaim the streets action got surrounded and a bunch of kids booked it into a parking garage, where they were stuck for a while. apparently they found their way out a fire escape into an alley, where officers spotted them and shot at them with pepper balls, but from a pretty ineffective distance that allowed them to get away.

pity it was so misdirected

fuckin’ eh right. but i think it’s even more of a pity so many seemingly intelligent people refuse to address the issue of the role and influence of FreedomWorks in these rallies.


R384622
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

but I was speaking of “we” as in the liberty movement.

how do you and others who identify with it define and understand the “liberty movement” and/or the “patriot movement”?!? how and why do these movements differ from the anti-capitalist and anti-globalization movements? the anti-war movement? the labor movement? immigrants rights movement? GLBTQ movement? (etc.)

i hear these terms a lot these days, the “liberty movement” and/or the “patriot movement,” but have been able to identify little in the way of a cohesive message and goals, let alone actual strategies and tactics of achieving the desired objectives. i hear a lot about “fighting the NWO” but that’s far too nebulous. how? who do you identify as the NWO? and why? who do you identify as not being the NWO, and why? what is your alternative to a new world order? the old world order? i would have thought ol’ what’s-his-name in Teh Obomber Deception would have gotten through to you with his point that the new world order is really just the old Anglo world order in a new, globalized form. it still means the continuation of the same old status quo, only on a level never before seen. as i see it, far too many in the “liberty” and “patriot” “movements” idealistically romanticize and valorize nationalism and American exceptionalism. what hubris.

nationalism is the old world order. globalism is the new world order. they are both the anglo, anthropocentric world order, and both are systems of control utilized by the elite to manage their human livestock.

why so many cannot see this and continue to fall back on nationalism is beyond me, and it’s a tragedy, really.

Post Modified: 04/23/09 15:18:35

R384633
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

fuckin’ eh right. but i think it’s even more of a pity so many seemingly intelligent people refuse to address the issue of the role and influence of FreedomWorks in these rallies.

I am addressing that. I have devoted allot of time to online and on my weekly show.

how do you and others who identify with it define and understand the “liberty movement” and/or the “patriot movement”?!? how and why do these movements differ from the anti-capitalist and anti-globalization movements? the anti-war movement? the labor movement? immigrants rights movement? GLBTQ movement? (etc.)

well they all align in some ways from differing ideological and philosophical viewpoints. for the most part they all are resisting the same force, its just there definitions and understanding of that force thats differ.

hear these terms a lot these days, the “liberty movement” and/or the “patriot movement,” but have been able to identify little in the way of a cohesive message and goals, let alone actual strategies and tactics of achieving the desired objectives.

really, I think our goals and ideology have been heavily articulated by Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, Alex Jones, the founding fathers ect….ect…

I think the primary concept is that the only role of government is to secure the individual liberty of the individual. How that is achieved is through information and allowing the free marketplace of ideas to work its magic, people will eventually make the right choices, reality will assert itself forcing them to do so.

i hear a lot about “fighting the NWO” but that’s far too nebulous. how?

pick an area –

anti war,

anti globalization,

anti gmo,

anit DU,

anit black box voting,

anti weaponization of robotics,

exposing the Anglo American establishments domination of the political process…

growing a garden,

getting out of debt to the bankers,

taking responsibility for your world and life.

the list goes on and on.

who do you identify as the NWO? and why?

The Anglo American financial establishment. Because they have dominated the world system for most of the 20 century and now the 21. The last hundred years have been about their takeover of the world.

who do you identify as not being the NWO, and why?

The people for obvious reasons. Anyone who participates in their system is part of their structure at this point. Media, military, corporations, major governments all feed like rivers into that over arching structure. But their is a leadership that can be identified comprising of about 400-5000 top technocrats , policy makers, bankers, and heads of state.

what is your alternative to a new world order? the old world order? i would have thought ol’ what’s-his-name in Teh Obomber Deception would have gotten through to you with his point that the new world order is really just the old Anglo world order in a new, globalized form. it still means the continuation of the same old status quo, only on a level never before seen.

This is sad and something that people dont fundamentally understand. The American system has not been functioning since the beginning of the 19th century. The ideals are what are important. The old world order is the colonial system, we need a re-tooling of the foundations of the American revolution adapted for the present era. The core concept though should be the principle of securing the liberty of the individual.

as i see it, far too many in the “liberty” and “patriot” “movements” idealistically romanticize and valorize nationalism and American exceptionalism. what hubris.

When compared with the sum total of the human experience the concepts that founded this country have created the most freedom and prosperity for the greatest number in the history of the world.


R384635
7 months ago
deaner

I think the primary concept is that the only role of government is to secure the individual liberty of the individual. How that is achieved is through information and allowing the free marketplace of ideas to work its magic, people will eventually make the right choices, reality will assert itself forcing them to do so.

the free marketplace of ideas? fuck hack, that’s some ridiculous b.s. you sound like reagan. the magic of the market. there’s no magic bud. it’s just capitalism as it’s always been.


R384636
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

the free marketplace of ideas? fuck hack, that’s some ridiculous b.s. you sound like reagan. the magic of the market. there’s no magic bud. it’s just capitalism as it’s always been.

slow down deaner

look the term up… the free market place of ideas has nothing to do with capitalism, although the principle does support the free market concept.

The concept of the “marketplace of ideas” is often attributed to Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.‘s dissenting opinion in Abrams v. United States, 250 U.S. 616 (1919). Interestingly, while Justice Holmes (1919) implied the idea in his dissenting opinion, he never used the term. Holmes (1919) stated

Persecution for the expression of opinions seems to me perfectly logical. If you have no doubt of your premises or your power and want a certain result with all your heart you naturally express your wishes in law and sweep away all opposition…But when men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas…that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution.

or you can go back to John Milton –

And though all the winds of doctrine were let loose to play on the earth, so Truth be in the field, we do injuriously by licensing and prohibiting misdoubt her strength. Let her and Falsehood grapple; who ever knew Truth put to the worse in a free and open encounter?

John Stuart Mills said best on the purpose of government –

The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or collectively, in interfering with the liberty of action of any of their number, is self-protection. That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinion of others, to do so would be wise, or even right…The only part of the conduct of anyone, for which he is amenable to society, is that which concerns others. In the part which merely concerns himself, his independence is, of right, absolute. Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign.


R384637
7 months ago
deaner

This is sad and something that people dont fundamentally understand. The American system has not been functioning since the beginning of the 19th century. The ideals are what are important. The old world order is the colonial system, we need a re-tooling of the foundations of the American revolution adapted for the present era. The core concept though should be the principle of securing the liberty of the individual.

Obviously it hasn’t been working, because any system that is based on the defence of private property, and maintaining the opulent minority against the majority is a system that will only buckle and break at the whims of capitalists.


R384638
7 months ago
deaner

John Stuart Mills never read Marx


R384639
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

what is your solution?


R384643
7 months ago
deaner

well I think it’s fair to say that Marx offered some very deep insight into how any capitalist system is quite obviously not a free system but one of exploitation. mutual ownership of the planet, production being run by the people involved in producing and the communities that production affects, and slowly getting off the monetary system. the point being that no one gets exploited.

even in communities where some feel that certain kinds of production are warranted and others do not, those who believe in it will proceed as long as it’s costs don’t cause uproar.


R384648
7 months ago
deaner

it’s interesting because i like your absolute dedication to freedom but i don’t understand why you can’t see all the nasty coersion that goes on because of private capital.

Post Modified: 04/23/09 16:48:33

R384649
7 months ago
deaner

or state capital for that matter


R384650
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

I see it, but I don’t see any viable system to replace it with. I am somewhat of a futurist, I think technology can set us free. I think if we can throw off our current rulers who are suppressing technology then we could have a society resembling Jefferson’s libertarian agrarian ideal.

I think that is a world we could all live in, even shifty.


R384651
7 months ago
deaner

the thing is you can’t be an individualist at all costs because we live on a planet with others. there is a certain point where you have to take into account the needs of the people and the planet around you, and ultimately your dependence on the planet that feeds you. collectivism does not mean that some state run media station is praising the great leader all day, it means that the people make their own choices and share the brilliance that we have inside all of us.


R384652
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

collectivism does not mean that some state run media station is praising the great leader all day, it means that the people make their own choices and share the brilliance that we have inside all of us.

No matter how well intentioned that is eventually what it will become. I respect your idealism, its actually quite beautiful and speaks of you character.

But how do you force people to share?

Post Modified: 04/23/09 17:03:27

R384654
7 months ago
COS

I always thought Alan Keyes was on point with his remarks about politics and society. Him being a “homophobe” doesnt bother me. Im more bothered by him being cool with neocons which to my understanding are simply zionists.


R384658
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

well they all align in some ways from differing ideological and philosophical viewpoints.

well i would hope so. the question is, which ones?

for the most part they all are resisting the same force, its just there definitions and understanding of that force thats differ.

so they’re not necessarily fighting the same force after all? they merely think they are, in theory, but in reality, they are not? many are anti-immigrant, for example, and pro-nationalist.

really, I think our goals and ideology have been heavily articulated by Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, Alex Jones, the founding fathers ect

ehh, the “founding fathers,” much like Alex Jones, were racist/xenophobic patriarchs. fuck all that. we need to get over this idealization and romanticization of our “founding fathers.” the guys were fucking assholes, and they were no founding fathers of mine.

I think the primary concept is that the only role of government is to secure the individual liberty of the individual.

only that has never been what governments were for, or what they ever actually did. that’s only what they told people they were about to gain their support. i would have thought you knew that. governments are for the protection of private property and the propertied class, just ask John Locke, on whose political theory the “founding fathers” based this country, and damn near plagarized for the Declaration of Independence.

The Anglo American financial establishment. Because they have dominated the world system for most of the 20 century and now the 21. The last hundred years have been about their takeover of the world.

so you are acknowledging that nationalism too is their tool and must be abolished?!?

The ideals are what are important.

ahh yes, the original ideals, you mean like that only white property owning men should be enfranchised? ahh yes, those ideals. get over it bro, the alleged “ideals” were illusory and pure rhetoric from the get go.

The American system has not been functioning since the beginning of the 19th century.

it never fucking functioned, bro, save for a few…

The core concept though should be the principle of securing the liberty of the individual.

what does this mean to you? freedom from exploitation? or freedom to have your private property regardless of the nature of its acquisition? all too often i find the “patriot” and “liberty” movements to be based upon private property rights. fuck that capitalist bullshit.

When compared with the sum total of the human experience the concepts that founded this country have created the most freedom and prosperity for the greatest number in the history of the world.

bullshit. we may, by comparison to some other nation-states, be better off, but humanity was far better off during the 99.9% of our natural history on this planet when we existed in equilibrium with our land bases and without centralized government and hierarchical authority. the myth that forager-hunter life was somehow “nasty, brutish, and short” has been thoroughly debunked by modern anthropology. we’ve been on a downhill slope ever since the invention of domestication, agriculture, fixed capital, and surplus economics.

again, the concepts this country was founded on was political enfranchisement within a representative republic only for white property owning men. this excluded everyone else, including white men who were propertiless.

there was, however, a significant amount of progressive and liberatory rhetoric utilized by the politically and financially elite “founding fathers” in their attempt to co-opt the rest of the colonists into fighting for their cause that minority groups have been able to use that rhetoric to leverage the system for some assimilative “rights” and equality (within a fundamentally exploitative system, of course, as Emma Goldman argued about woman’s suffrage).

Post Modified: 04/23/09 18:36:59

R384741
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

The second part of the interview with last man is ready for your viewing pleasure.

Still want to hear your thoughts.


R384742
7 months ago
HackMkUltra

The second one really completes the arc of the interview.


R384783
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

Still want to hear your thoughts.

you must be speaking to someone else, as you’ve heard plenty of mine…


R384784
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

R384791
7 months ago
deaner

No matter how well intentioned that is eventually what it will become.

I think that statement is way more relevant to your brand of capitalism. Which has no emphases on the common ground and shared experience of humanity.

I respect your idealism, its actually quite beautiful and speaks of you character.

thank you.

But how do you force people to share?

it’s not a choice. We’re all humans, we all live on this planet, we must share.


R384795
7 months ago
truthcansuck

Hack – Still want to hear your thoughts.

Ok.

The first one was a nice opener.

The second one was a decent interview, which i suspect has to do with the fact that you and the subject agreed on nearly everything. I liked that you are so comfortable speaking on camera, I cannot do that and appreciate how difficult it can be. He was a good speaker, too.

The third one seemed like you were more interested on changing the guy’s mind rather than listening to what he said. It was a good primer on what you believe, and your take on the Obama presidency, but you really didn’t seem interested in his opinion. Still, it was interesting and you both made some good points.

Post Modified: 04/24/09 13:30:47

R384796
7 months ago
truthcansuck

Deaner – it’s not a choice. We’re all humans, we all live on this planet, we must share.

Most history classes I’ve taken disagree with you…


R384798
7 months ago
deaner

Perhaps in terms of the extent of sharing. Say for example the banking elite. They share with eachother, keep their word, sacrifice for eachother, and work toguether to accomplish common goals.

The only thing is the sharing needs to be extended to all population. We must share responsibility, we must work together to accomplish our common goals.

On that note, if we know what’s good for us, we’ll share and others will share with us.


R384800
7 months ago
aganunitsi

Say for example the banking elite. They share with eachother, keep their word, sacrifice for eachother, and work toguether to accomplish common goals.

My experience working for a bank disagrees with you. They are dog eat dog.


R384808
7 months ago
deaner

you don’t work for BIS


R384814
7 months ago
aganunitsi

The BIS provides less evidence that the banking elite share and sacrifice for each other than the UN provides for the ruling elite sharing and sacrificing for each other.

So you work for BIS? What evidence do you have that the banking elite do all this sharing and sacrificing?


R384817
7 months ago
deaner

fair enough. but they have certainly succeded in putting forth the idea of centralized global currency under private control.


R384819
7 months ago
COS

I think its sad/disappointing that the brother in the video expresses consignment to the idea of martial law as though its an acceptable thing however undesirable. I AM glad though that he pledged opposition to the NWO though. Its messed up that the encroachment is SO GRADUAL that opposing it effectively looks like unprovoked violence almost. People are like ‘what are you TALKING about? what north american union. What treaty of versailles?’

I guess when the rest of your platoon is blinded by shrapnel you have to go be a POW with them huh?


R384831
7 months ago
Number5Toad

yo Hack, i didn’t realize at first that this was you conducting the interviews – very cool man, very nice work

quick technical note – don’t hold the mic so close to your face! it’s a pretty powerful microphone, it’s clearly able to pick up the people you’re interviewing at a longer distance, so you don’t need to hold it in front of your mouth the way you are in these videos. you’re a good looking guy, you’ve got a pretty strong camera presence, but hiding your face like that diminishes it pretty significantly

i don’t have a lot to say about the content that hasn’t been said already…the last interview is definitely the most interesting. you’re right that race politics and the left / right dichotomy are being used to divide dissent, but frankly, these tea parties are a great example of just that issue. as the guy says, where were the masses of protesters for the last eight years? these people are protesting the fact that they now have to pay for Bush’s spending, of which they mostly seem to have approved.

i know that not everyone at these rallies supported Bush, but let’s be honest – the vast majority of them certainly did.

my answer to you, if you asked me what i would say to the people who were beaten at anti-Bush protests and who are out protesting again, would have been….all five of you?


R384833
7 months ago
bodo

loved the ending


R385289
7 months ago
Dilated_Rebel

you’re right that race politics and the left / right dichotomy are being used to divide dissent, but frankly, these tea parties are a great example of just that issue.

I totally disagree. Not with Obama being a turd, but with the ‘division of dissent.’

The tea-baggers are sheep, being led and organized by corporate entities. These are the people that would pick up arms and join the governement to suppress working class solidarity.

Because the ‘constiution’ never said anything about health-care, or a proper education, or unions, or for that matter, anything about the working class.

Fuck the constiution.

Wake the fuck up from your idealized slumber and dream world, the founding fathers were racist murders who advocated indigenous genocide only to increase their ‘private property.

these people are protesting the fact that they now have to pay for Bush’s spending, of which they mostly seem to have approved.

You fuckin nailed it right here.

Where was the tea-bag movement when Bush bailed out Bear Stearns, over a year ago? Where were the tea-baggers at during the RNC/DNC? Where have the baggers been at for the last 8 years of crusading against ‘terror.” Where were they when New Orleans drowned? Advocating lower taxes? FUCK THAT, regardless of whos in the White House, all this would have happened anyways, but It took a black face to get these idiots out on the streets.

This whole bullshit revolves around that shit bag obama, and HE didnt even start FISA or the patriot act, or the fucking wars were in, and he didn’t single handedly crash the economy, and yes he is black, who fuckin still cares?

Obama wasnt elected as a revolutionary, he was elected to reform and rescue a corrupted morally bankrupt economic system, and the status quo whom it benefits.

Personally, I would have wanted McCain to win.

That way this country would go to shit sooner

Post Modified: 04/28/09 08:57:45

R385291
7 months ago
Dilated_Rebel

Awesome idea regarding the interviews.

Really genuine, 5’er


R385340
7 months ago
COS

I agree with the Fuck the Constitution sentiment. As good as its written we cant rely on someone elses words to defend our GOD given rights. Ones mere presense is proof whereas the constitution has to be proven beyond its mere presense.


R385342
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

GOD = Gold, Oil, Drugs


R385343
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

your “rights” are not rights, they are privileges.


R385344
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

if it was a true right, and it was given by some supreme power such as “God,” then mere humans would not be able to so easily strip other humans of these “rights,” which they obviously can, and do all the time.


R385362
7 months ago
Dilated_Rebel

your “rights” are not rights, they are privileges.

Fuckin ehhh!!!!


R385486
7 months ago
COS

I disagree. It was GOD given in the sense that breath is given. My lungs and diaphragm and all the other parts that harmonize in my breathing act in accord with the design of my creator which I am never a separate entity from. In effect I am GOD and when I decide I would like to act in a given manner that is GODs will. Anyone interfering with this shall suffer GODs wrath.


R385491
7 months ago
deaner

don’t fuck with COS, you’ll incur GOD’s wrath.


R385493
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

how do you define “GOD”? how do you understand and relate to what you are calling “GOD”?

anyways, if breath were a given RIGHT by GOD then HUMAN BEINGS would be incapable of SUFFOCATING your ass with a pillow or CHOKING YOU with a piano string.


R385495
7 months ago
ShiftShapers

it’s like when they called them “inalienable.”

if they were fucking inalienable you wouldn’t need to enshrine them in man-made law.

if it can be taken away (or alienated) by other humans, it’s not fucking “inalienable,” by definition.

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