Sunday, November 15, 2009

Hunter S. Thompson (1937-2005) and The War on Terror (2001- )

Hunter S. Thompson (1937-2005) and The War on Terror (2001- )

Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:48:45 -0600
R127338
4 years ago
Continuity

you got my vote


R127344
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

last words…

Nice quotes. I 5’ed too.


R127348
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

we live in a world where they kill you for telling the truth.


R127391
4 years ago
NoGodsNoMasters

Man I loved that guy. He is the only author that I can say that I have read everything he has ever published.


R127410
4 years ago
Chickenma1

Great stuff.


R127433
4 years ago
Snark

Hack- get real. He committed suicide.


R127479
4 years ago
ShiftShapers

wasn’t the last word he typed on his type-writer “counselor” or something like that.


R127481
4 years ago
Number5Toad

yep… the only word on the page, dead center.

but we’re talking about a guy whose favorite form of recreation was getting loaded on mescaline and shooting guns off his balcony, a guy who frequently wrote about his ideal suicide and how he wasn’t going to wait around to die if he could just get it over with on his own terms…

i have no trouble believing that he killed himself, and the word on the typewriter was his final practical joke to the world.


R127489
4 years ago
Namaste_Rich

wasn’t the last word he typed on his type-writer “counselor” or something like that.

Wiki

Rolling Stone released what was claimed to be Thompson’s final written words, written with a marker four days before his death, The title was “Football Season is over“:

No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun—for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax—This won’t hurt.”

The mispelled “counselor” is the final typed word that was found. Wiki sites the Rollingstone article (see my link above) as the final words written before his death.

I cannot find any cited material as to what was, in fact, his last writtings before pulling the trigger. As the Rollingstone article is the most current, its seems to be the final say on the matter.


R127559
4 years ago
Kcoztips

I have only read a couple of his books and think he had a great perspective on the way governments operate. I did not know he was suicidal and was surprised to hear about him taking his own life.
Thanks for some more insight on his way of thinking… buy the way, I voted a 5 but when the page reloaded your score went from 5 to 4.50. I’m not sure if I understand the reasoning behind this, maybe someone voted lower at the same time I did.

Another thing, has anyone else had problems surfing the net this week with firefox, or am I being watched? Two cookies from a UK site keep trying to load every time I go online with firefox, and my “ask me every time” option is not working properly


R127574
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

Alexander Pope in a prose convertible
By PAUL WILLIAM ROBERTS

Saturday, February 26, 2005, Page F9

Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn’t always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He’d been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: “They’re gonna make it look like suicide,” he said. “I know how these bastards think . . .”

this from a good friend of Thompson’s

“I was on the phone with him, he set the receiver down and he did it. I heard the clicking of the gun,” Anita Thompson told the Aspen Daily News in Friday’s editions.

She said her husband had asked her to come home from a health club so they could work on his weekly ESPN column…

Thompson said she heard a loud, muffled noise, but didn’t know what had happened. “I was waiting for him to get back on the phone,” she said.

(Her account to Rocky Mountain News reporter Jeff Kass is slightly different: “I did not hear any bang,” she told Kass. She added that Thompson’s son, who was in the house at the time, believed that a book had fallen when he heard the shot, according to Kass’ report.)

Mack White sums up the questions well:
Thompson’s family says he was not depressed, nor was he in enough to pain to kill himself. In fact, by all reports, he was quite happy. He was talking on the phone to his wife, getting ready to work on his column, when he decided it would be wise to kill himself, so that he could go out (we are told) while “still at the top of his form,” even though this would mean not finishing his column or his expose on 9/11 (potentially the most important thing he would ever write) (?)...

This account says Thompson killed himself while sitting in a chair on his typewriter and yet the original account tells us that Thompson shot himself while talking to his wife on the phone in the kitchen. Why has the story changed andwhat is the significance of the word typed on the paper in light of the fact that Thompson said he would be ‘suicided’ before being able to release a major story on explosives bringing down the twin towers?

This account says Thompson killed himself while sitting in a chair on his typewriter and yet the original account tells us that Thompson shot himself while talking to his wife on the phone in the kitchen. Why has the story changed andwhat is the significance of the word typed on the paper in light of the fact that Thompson said he would be ‘suicided’ before being able to release a major story on explosives bringing down the twin towers?

Check out this clip of an August 2002 interview with the late Hunter S. Thompson, wherein he expounds on the likelihood 9/11 was an inside job.

Here’s a partial transcript courtesy of Indybay.org:
Mick O’Regan: Could I take you back to September 11th. What I’d really like to know is your reactions. And I know you said you were writing a sports column for ESPN when the planes hit the towers, but could I get you to tell that story of when you found out about it and what you were doing and what your reaction was?

Hunter S. Thompson: I had in fact just finished a sports column for ESPN. Here it is: “It was just after dawn in Woody Creek, Colorado when the first plane hit the World Trade Center in New York City on Tuesday morning. And as usual I was writing about sports. But not for long. Football suddenly seemed irrelevant compared to the scenes of destruction and other devastation coming out of New York on TV.”

Mick O’Regan: You went on to say in that article, which I have in front of me, that “even ESPN was broadcasting war news. It was the worst disaster in the history of the United States.” Do you think that the event completely transformed the way in which Americans see themselves and their own vulnerability?

Hunter S. Thompson: No, the event by itself wouldn’t have done that. But it was the way the Administration was able to use that event. Even use it as a springboard for everything they wanted to do. And that might tell you something. I remember when I was writing that column you sort of wonder when something like that happens, Well who stands to benefit? Who had the opportunity and the motive? You just kind of look at these basic things, and I don?t know if I want to go into this on worldwide radio here, but …

Mick O’Regan: You may as well.

Hunter S. Thompson: All right. Well I saw that the US government was going to benefit, and the White House people, the republican administration to take the mind of the public off of the crashing economy. Now you want to keep in mind that every time a person named Bush gets into office, the nation goes into a drastic recession they call it.

Mick O’Regan: It seems a very long bow to me, but are you sort of suggesting that this worked in the favour of the Bush Administration?

Hunter S. Thompson: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I have spent enough time on the inside of, well in the White House and you know, campaigns and I’ve known enough people who do these things, think this way, to know that the public version of the news or whatever event, is never really what happened.

oh but wait….Snark in his infinte wisdom says it isn’t so

thank-you for clearing all this up Snark


R127660
4 years ago
silverback

five for Hunter.


R127678
4 years ago
Shogo

oh but wait…Snark in his infinte wisdom says it isn’t so

Give me a fucking break. There’s roughly, at last count, a JILLION motherfuckers out there pimping that brain-dead explosives nonsense. The idea that sekrit gummint operatives killed him while he was at home with his son is one of the dumbest foil-hatted dribblings I’ve ever read.

Ease up on the bongrips cowboy, they’re making you stupid.


R127718
4 years ago
abelahsimmons

I’m glad he was speaking the truth about the fraudulent GWOT, but I’ve never really been a fan.

He was a little too Operation CHAOS-esque for me and I’m not sure that I disbelieve Paul Bonnacci’s allegations against him in “The Franklin Cover-Up”.

Very nice quotes though.

There Shogo and Snark go again, being asses when he disagrees with someone.

I don’t know whether it was suicide or murder and I would never trust the word of a trophy wife in either case.

The Twin Towers exploded.


R127723
4 years ago
Shogo

I would never trust the word of a trophy wife

How about a son? And why do you call her a trophy wife, you judgmental piece of shit?

The Twin Towers exploded.

Prove it.


R127735
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

I applaud Shogo and Snark.

Two gate keeping, judgmental, fools.

It is exactly characters of this type that poison the possibility of intelligent conversation.

in the modern day Agora that this site functions as I have to question how Socrates would have responded to some jack-ass running up to him and yelling-

“the allegory of the cave is bullshit!”

how would he have responded?

it is sad that the intelligent and well spoken here are constantly confronted with such jabbering buffoons. These guys are not intereste in debating any issue. By there works, ye shall know them. All these guys are interestd in is getting attention.

Get a life my friends, or at least say something productive when you speak. Either way, please stop wasting everyone’s time.


R127740
4 years ago
Shogo

It is exactly characters of this type that poison the possibility of intelligent conversation.

Expressing the conviction that Hunter S. Thompson was murdered to keep him from writing about something that hundreds of people have written about, with no supporting evidence, is not “intelligent conversation”.

PS – Go fuck yourself.


R127741
4 years ago
Shogo

Oh, and as far as the allegory of the cave goes, anyone who automatically assumes ANY conspiracy theory is correct is just as dumbfounded as those watching the shadowplay on the wall. When you’re ready to think for yourself, then you can lecture me about The Cave.


R127746
4 years ago
FloydAnderson

This account says Thompson killed himself while sitting in a chair on his typewriter and yet the original account tells us that Thompson shot himself while talking to his wife on the phone in the kitchen. Why has the story changed

You can see in photos and videos that Hunter has a typewriter in his kitchen. The film Breakfast with Hunter has a lot of footage in his kitchen.

Post Modified: 02/21/06 16:50:35

R127763
4 years ago
Shogo

Obviously you are nothing but a paid disinfo agent/government shill!


R127766
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

I have assumed its possibility on the available evidence. However, all i asked for was reasonable debate. Something you, Shogo, have been unable to provide.

You make too many assumptions about other peoples positions and ideas without knowing anything about them. The very presumption you hate in others you dogmatically express in your attacks, this is obvious from your snap judgments.

Floyd,

that’s interesting, I didn’t know that about his kitchen.

What is your opinion on the statements he purportedly made to his writer friend/associate about being “suicided”?


R127767
4 years ago
Chickenma1

Well, we don’t know who the “friend/associate” is, so we don’t have enough information. Do we have a police report?


R127773
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

the quote was originally published in the toronto Global Mail.

Later Alex Jones interviewed the reporter that wrote the story. Im going back to listen to the interview now.

Hunter was also working on child sex-slave rings conected to the Whitehouse.


R127774
4 years ago
Joe

“I have assumed its possibility on the available evidence.”

when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.


R127778
4 years ago
Snark

in the modern day Agora that this site functions as I have to question how Socrates would have responded to some jack-ass running up to him and yelling

Pompous much? Socrates be some big shoes to fill, and I don’t think you got feet that long.

it is sad that the intelligent and well spoken here are constantly confronted with such jabbering buffoons.

The man wrote, repeatedly, about committing suicide, including in the prologue to The Great Shark Hunt and in many other articles and written works. In that prologue, he talks semi-wisfully about jumping from his hotel balcony after he finishes the book, because after that high point, everything was destined to decline. As toad hints, he was also fascinated with “the Edge”, and wrote once that “the only people who know where the edge are the ones who have gone off.” He was fascinated with guns, drugs, and Harleys, and wrote extensively on his own self-destructive behavior.

The text of the suicide note: “No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun—for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax—This won’t hurt.”

Therefore, yeah, I confront people who then say, after he really does commit suicide after talking about it and playing chicken with it since at least 1970, that it must have been an assassination. Ever heard of Occam’s Razor? It makes no fucking sense whatsoever, and I have a low tolerance for jabbering buffoons who make no sense whatsoever.

Get a life my friends, or at least say something productive when you speak. Either way, please stop wasting everyone’s time.

And the same to you, kid. You’ve let your paranoia eclipse your common sense. This sort of loose talk always surfaces after the death of a public figure, and as somebody whose general worldview does not include any more paranoia than is healthy, it annoys the shit out of me.

Post Modified: 02/21/06 18:02:48

R127787
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

Thompson was wildly paranoid.

thank you for making a point.

I don’t compare myself to Socrates, your absolutely right. It was an illustration.

You have good points. No doubt he was a death junkie. He might have done himself in just as you say.

Yet, there are interesting abnormalities that make me suspicious. Am I paranoid? Yes. The world is to dark and sinister a place on too many levels for my suspicions not to be piqued when you have anyone say “I am going to be killed for do this controversial thing by forces that don’t want it done or said.” If that makes me a conspiracy sheep eagerly waiting for each new and interesting mind boggle to get involved in your opinion then you don’t understand what I am saying.

Can any amount of paranoia be healthy? Its a good question.

I can talk about this, and now you have to. If my thoughts or ideas are to be challenged that’s all I ask for, kid.


R127814
4 years ago
Continuity

No one is entirely sure what happened to Thompson. The concensus from those around him was that he probably did commit suicide. There’s a lack of hard evidence suggesting he was killed. All there is to support a conspiracy theory is some circumstantial stuff. I can’t pursue that angle without some hard evidence of foul play… Even a friend’s testimony saying he was killed would be worth at least considering.


R127844
4 years ago
FloydAnderson

Hunter was also working on child sex-slave rings conected to the Whitehouse.

This could certainly get you assassinated as well. Suicide or not, explosives in the World Trade Center and child sex parties involving American elites are opportunities for hitting Uncle Sam square on his glass jaw.

Post Modified: 02/21/06 19:38:06

R127862
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO BE SUICIDED AND THEN HE WAS.

where is the conspiracy here?


R127863
4 years ago
Snark

Would I be a dick if I replied, “all in your mind?” Probably.


R127871
4 years ago
Shogo

Jesus fuck, why don’t we debate the existence of the tooth fairy?


R127875
4 years ago
Number5Toad

Shogo, until you can conclusively prove to me that the tooth fairy doesn’t exist, that topic will remain open for discussion.


R127878
4 years ago
EGisJUICE

I wouldn’t invite him up to my house, but I think we have to look at this, the fact that everything we know about Saddam we know through the CIA, through information vented and filtered by the CIA.

Exactly.

When you’re ready to think for yourself

Go look in a fucking mirror, Clown.

Oh, and as far as the allegory of the cave goes, anyone who automatically assumes ANY conspiracy theory is correct is just as dumbfounded

Shut the fuck up and go write some more columns about the fine cusine at the Pancake House (you’re welcome for the free publicity).

If you’re going to call people judgmental pieces of shit, the least you could do is not be the same thing. You judgemental piece of shit. And I am being a judgmental piece of shit here, that’s what I am.

A conspiracy is defined as A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design.

A theory is defined as A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

By definition your stated belief that the damage caused by the planes crashing into the WTC, and the fires caused by that, and jet fuel burning, created enough fire and heat to weaken the floor supports or whatever they weakened and cause the buildings to collapse is a conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy is a common behavior of humans (2 or more people plotting together) and action of nature (wind and rains causing flooding for example) by definition.

You should learn to just disagree with someone instead of being a one trick pony who can’t disagree with people without calling someone a nutter, paranoid, crazy, or insane, and throwing conspiracy theory around in the way idiots use it today, as a slander to call anything or anyone they don’t agree with “loony”. I have yet to see you disagree with someone without doing that, dating back to the old GNN.

You could try looking at what they say and disagreeing with that instead of calling them names because of your problem (disagreeing with them) and your feeling the need to take your frustration out on them. It’s no one’s fault but yours that you can not disagree with someone and understand that they have a different opinion than you do, like an adult.

If you’re going to keep labeling people conspiracy theorists etc, you could try knowing the definition of what you’re calling them to begin with instead of being like most sheep and bleating out conspiracy theory as way to label anyone who disagrees with you as crazy, and not worth listening to.

Socrates be some big shoes to fill

Interestingly enough Socrates was forced to drink hemlock & kill himself for his views (that ended up being true) which challenged the thinking and widely held beliefs of the time.

Anyways I had to throw that out there, but I digress.

I think it needs to be mentioned that people don’t actually have to murder someone to kill them.

One can be destroyed in the media, or in their career field and have their life ruined & be driven(not intentionally) to kill themselves. I’m not saying that was what happened with Hunter, just that it can happen.

One can look at what shit this life is full of petty people who just want to destroy and rip down anyone who has become a success (celebrity “scandal” obsessed media people, etc) one can look at all the war and suffering that goes on for no reason other than it benefits the selected few who order the wars and cause the suffering.

One can look at how there could be no war and no suffering but that no amount of protesting or opposition to wars and suffering can bring about peace and relieve the pain. One can look at all that and how hard they have tried to get people to look at it and think about it and see that they have made no impact despite all their hard work, and decide they dont want to live in a world where no one listens no matter how hard you try.

One could decide to ease the suffering and pain of the one person whose suffering and pain they can end, their own, and put a bullet into their brain to do it.

If the suicide note is Hunters and it’s accurate, I think that’s probably happened with him.


R127895
4 years ago
Shogo

By definition your stated belief that the damage caused by the planes crashing into the WTC, and the fires caused by that, and jet fuel burning, created enough fire and heat to weaken the floor supports or whatever they weakened and cause the buildings to collapse is a conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy eh? Who are the conspirators? The fuel and the steel, with the oxygen helping out on the sly?

You should learn to just disagree with someone

Something you’re evidently masterful at. I appreciate your leading by example.

You could try looking at what they say and disagreeing with that

I did. And labeling his wife a “trophy wife” is insulting to both Hunter S. and the woman he married.

Shut the fuck up and go write some more columns about the fine cusine at the Pancake House (you’re welcome for the free publicity).

Nice attempt at a cheap shot, but if you think I give a shit about your opinion you’re sadly mistaken.


R127978
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. Albert Einsein.

Exactly EG. You summed it up. My original post was in that vein of thought. When I was called a nutter however I decided to play devils advocate. To be honest I beleive that his death could have been either suicide or murder. I am inclined towards murder because of the statements he made to his writer/journalist associate. You can listen to this interview on PrisonPlanet. Dr. David Kelly, Gary Webb, Princcess Diana. All of them said they would be killed and then “POOF” there dead. Does it make me paranoid to think that is odd? I would say without seriously examining any of those cases, and to wave your hand in arrogance (and ignorance) and say that I or anyone else is a fool for looking into these events is a fool is foolish in itself.

These two hecklers are attention seekers. They are here to proclaim how cool they are because they “get it”.

This attitude represtnts the worst kind of dogmatic gate keeping truth seekers. They are reverse conformists. Ready to lable and attack any they deem beanth there devine understanding of everything.

Shogo- If you dont care about anyones oppinion then whats the point of being here? This site serves as a reflecting pool of ideas. A place for ideas to be challenged and understood by discourse with others. IF you don’t give a “shit” then maybe you should go somewhere else. Thats the entire point my friend that you dont seem to be grasping. This board doesn’t exsist for you to get on a stump and tell everyone how smart you are and how dumb everyone else is. It is juvinile, and as I said before, a waste of everyones time.


R128024
4 years ago
Shogo

IF you don’t give a “shit” then maybe you should go somewhere else.

There are some people here whose writing and points of view I respect. People jumping to conclusions without evidence aren’t counted in that number.


R128028
4 years ago
truthcansuck

Shogo, until you can conclusively prove to me that the tooth fairy doesn’t exist, that topic will remain open for discussion.

I’m with the Toad on this one, Shogo… unless you can prove that aliens didn’t kill Hunter Thompson because they thought he was going to ‘out’ their sekrit child-sex-drug-Celine Dion bootlegging-porn-contra support ring, I’m afraid you come off as just a little bit full of shit, my friend…

And just as a side note: Neverknwo, if you read this – I Double-Dare you to expose the sekrit child-sex-drug-contra-Celine Dion bootlegging ring… they got Hunter, man.,. they’ll erase your ass too…


R128035
4 years ago
gralton

Gonzo went out on his own terms You gotta respect that.
He wrote what 99% of these spineless weasels did not have the balls to write. It made him a living and a few friends and enemies.

I admire the man.

Shogo, buildings fall down all the time. and 757’s leave alot of wreckage on the ground. Follow the money. I’d keep your head toward the sky if I was you. and oh yeah
SHUT THE FUCK UP!


R128038
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

I haven’t jumped to an conclusions. I want to talk about his statements about being suicided. To me that is the most pertinent to the idea he might have been murdered.

Will anyone address this? That is the crux of my argument. A point no one disagreeing with has been willing to even speak about.

How this statement rests in the same category as tooth-fairy alien business is beyond me to understand. I have never stated that was the only possible solution. I have only stated its possibility in my arguments and have yet received any real argument.

untill you prove the tooth-fairy doenst exist, the tpoic will remain open

This is a cute side stepping of what is happening here. Its a funny joke that has no bearing on what I have said. I haven’t shown up and announced a belief with no basis in reality. I have espoused a belief based on pertinent statements involved in the subject.

If evidence of the existence of the tooth fairy came to light, would you be willing to talk about it and examine its possibilities fairly and with an open mind? Or no mater the evidence would you condemn and ridicule those who suggested examination of the idea?

Welcome to the flat earth club. Again proving that the very type of close-mindedness you espouse to hate and scorn you practice.


R128043
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

reading back through the posts, I’ve noticed how shogo has never been able to respond to my arguments about Thompson or the way he has responded in this thread. IT is a pure example of an emotional juvenile incapable of real argument.

Snark rose to the occasion and made a real statement, two points for him.

Can I expect anything better from a man whose main picture theme of his blog page is someone(most likely him) flipping off the world while smirking?

That picture sums up your attitude and intelligence perfectly.


R128044
4 years ago
Shogo

Where’s the evidence? Some guy on Alex Jones?

Puh-leeez.


R128048
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

you should fact check before you make statements like that. I am not going to do your work for you.

Find out who the guys was, and then you can decied if he is legit or not.

I know who he is and what is background is, so I know what I am talking about.

Again you show your inabiliity to debate, and again have displayed how you jump to conclusion that are not based in reality. If you knew anything about the story you would know that Alex picked up the interview after the guy had already made the statements.

I also find it interesting you say that when one of the most recent top blogs is Alex Jones’ interview with Cynthia Mckinney.


R128050
4 years ago
truthcansuck

Hunter Thompson was a lot of things, foremost a funny, intelligent guy, and kind of a prick… It would be a lasting, fitting testament to the man if internet forums, until the end of time, put his death in the same catagory as Malcolm X, MLK and Kennedy…


R128051
4 years ago
Number5Toad

Hack…

for my own part, i’m balancing what i know of Hunter from his own writing as well as the statements made by his wife and his son against this allegation that i first heard from you. i went to prison planet to check it out and found about four different accounts of the same story – none of which give a name to the person who claimed Hunter called them the night before his death.

add to this the fact that Jones is somewhat notorious for playing it loose and easy with the facts, and i’m skeptical.

what’s eminently beleivable to me, like i said before, is that a guy who lived fast and hard for 67 years, who wrote lovingly about his own death, who freely admitted his desire to end his life on his own terms, and who enjoyed target practice while whacked out on hallucinogenic drugs just decided that Feb. 20th was as good a day to go as any.

skepticism is good. it’s healthy to question the official story. however, when you take it so far that you assume nothing happens the way it seems to have happened, then you’re no better off than those who believe everything they see on tv.


R128059
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

Toad,

The writer is Paul William Roberts, a mainstream Canadian journalist. I listend to the interview last night and its him, not Jones that makes the statements about Hunter. In the interview Roberts talks about Hunters last statements to him, the ight before he died, and the fact that Hunter had been given tapes by his washington contact that showed high level gov officials engaging in sexual acts with minors.

Thank-you for talking to me about it.

I agree totally with what you are saying about being descerning with what we go after.


R128066
4 years ago
Shogo

the fact that Hunter had been given tapes by his washington contact that showed high level gov officials engaging in sexual acts with minors.

Do you even know what hearsay is? And why it’s inadmissable in court?

You don’t know that this guy really spoke to Hunter the night before he died. You don’t know that Hunter really had any such tapes. You’re buying into this guy’s story wholesale without any grounding for doing so.

Moreover, there have been a number of writers who have made allegations about child sex rings, and they’re all still drawing breath – the same as those who made allegations about 9/11. Hunter S. Thompson removed any mainstream credibility he may have had a long time ago – he was widely known as a hard drinking drug abuser. The notion that the government had to kill him to silence him is TOTALLY PREPOSTEROUS.


R128070
4 years ago
Number5Toad

fair enough Hack…my research hit a dead end when some Canadian paper wanted me to register to read the full story, which is why i couldn’t find the guy’s name.

i still have to agree with Shogo tho, that there’s no logical reason to believe that Hunter was killed for writing about a subject that literally hundreds of mainstream and fringe journalists have been writing about for more than four years.


R128077
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

thompson was a very respected writer. there was all the reason to silence someone with such credibility.

Can you imagine the uproar that would have come if he had come out with either of those stories, or both? If he had hard proof that would make it even more so.

We dont know if the entire world is in a glass jar. prove it, all we have are testimony by the astronauts and or own logical calculations.

I chooose to believe Roberts because I have listend to the interview and have evaluated his statements in contrast with his postion in society. this guy is not some tin foil hat Dr. Doom tryinng to get attention. He as a friend and fellow writer who made his statment on the record.


R128081
4 years ago
Shogo

thompson was a very respected writer. there was all the reason to silence someone with such credibility.

Are you joking, or what? Thompson was respected among the counter-culture, perhaps, but as far as mainstream America goes he was viewed as a drug-addled author best known for his ode to massive drug consumption, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. To argue that he was perceived as a threat is fucking ridiculous.

Can you imagine the uproar that would have come if he had come out with either of those stories

People would simply bring up his numerous drug arrests and dismiss it as the paranoid rantings of a druggie.

We dont know if the entire world is in a glass jar. prove it, all we have are testimony by the astronauts and or own logical calculations.

That’s not only 100% incorrect, it’s also hilariously stupid.

I chooose to believe Roberts because I have listend to the interview and have evaluated his statements in contrast with his postion in society.

You have no idea how absurd you sound, do you?

Post Modified: 02/22/06 11:26:29

R128085
4 years ago
truthcansuck

Thompson was respected among the counter-culture, perhaps, but as far as mainstream America goes he was viewed as a drug-addled author best known for his ode to massive drug consumption, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

I want to interject that Thompson was respected among most of the counter-culture BECAUSE he was a drug-addled author best known for his ode to massive drug consumption, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas…

Hunter was funny and quick on his feet, but he had garnered all the credability of an Alex Jones…

/me waits for teh ‘OH NO YOU JUST DI-INT!!!


R128089
4 years ago
remarcus

/me wants to know what they did with all of hunters rose colored shooting glasses


R128090
4 years ago
Number5Toad

i just wanna know who cleaned out his medicine cabinet…


R128091
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

ive made my points, if i am absurd, so be it.


R128094
4 years ago
truthcansuck

I actually hope he was killed by CIA ninjas… Kind of an anti-climatic way to go out, don’t you think?

I always assumed he’d be on fire when he died.. car crash, plane wreck, lit himself on fire and jumped into a pre-school backyard naked.. something interesting and daring…

I don’t really know why, I just did…


R128101
4 years ago
Number5Toad

heh, TCS, that’s not far from his own description of his ideal suicide.


R128392
4 years ago
Kcoztips

Jesus fu*ken Christ… you people… and many in here I respect for their intelligent and logical views on subjects posted that I have read about at GNN, but C’mon.. Use some logic. Any psychologist will tell you that suicides that are successfully committed have a history of several failed attempts. Even Hemmingway had attempted and failed. Show me proof of Thompsons failed attempts, NOT that he wrote about suicide. Other wise anyone of us could blow away Peter Townsin of the Who, and it would be ruled a suicide because he wrote the lyrics “I hope I die before I get old”. I have read from books written by people who study human nature such as John Douglas the FBI profiler and he states “one does not just wake up one morning at 30 years old and start killing children, the killer would have a pattern of such violent behavior from adolescents… and it has proven to be so. Which means if Shogo masturbates to pictures of women’s feet at fifteen years old, he will masturbate to women’s feet for the rest of his life. (Please, Shogo, I mean no disrespect but to counter your argument I must… and if you do masturbate to women’s feet, believe me I do not have a problem with it… there worst things one could do)

As for the conspiracy stuff I ask this… Why was building number 7 loaded with explosives prior to the trade tower collapse? Silverstine or what ever the fu*ks name is decided to PULL THE BUILDING, four hours after the Towers collapsed. That means someone snuck in explosives and set them up weeks before. Blowing a building is NOT a four hour job. No wonder many question the collapse of the trade towers. Justin in case some of you over educated, opinionated fucks don’t know it… IT IS ILLEIGAL TO HAVE LIVE EXPLOSIVES IN A PUBLIC BUILDING ANYWARE IN THE USA.

Later…


R128399
4 years ago
Number5Toad

ok. did anyone actually read the article that Roberts wrote? because i just did….

i’ll reprint the first two paragraphs…

Hunter telephoned me on Feb. 19, the night before his death. He sounded scared. It wasn’t always easy to understand what he said, particularly over the phone, he mumbled, yet when there was something he really wanted you to understand, you did. He’d been working on a story about the World Trade Center attacks and had stumbled across what he felt was hard evidence showing the towers had been brought down not by the airplanes that flew into them but by explosive charges set off in their foundations. Now he thought someone was out to stop him publishing it: “They’re gonna make it look like suicide,” he said. “I know how these bastards think . . ..”

That’s how I imagine a tribute to Hunter S. Thompson should begin. He was indeed working on such a story, but it wasn’t what killed him. He exercised his own option to do that. As he said to more than one person, “I would feel real trapped in this life if I didn’t know I could commit suicide at any time.”

emphasis, of course, is mine….

i think it’s significant that pretty much every Hunter S Thompson murder conspiracy theory jumps off from the first paragraph while completely ignoring the second.

here’s the whole thing, if you want to read it…

furthermore, i’ve just read a summary of the autopsy report, which found that he was killed by a single round from his own .45 caliber pistol, which was found on the floor next to him. gunpowder residue was found on his hands and on his clothing.

sorry guys, it was a suicide.

not that i still need to respond to this, but it struck me as entirely too spurious to leave alone…

any psychologist will tell you that suicides that are successfully committed have a history of several failed attempts

nonsense. i personally know people who managed to do it right on the first try.


R128588
4 years ago
Shogo

Use some logic. Any psychologist will tell you that suicides that are successfully committed have a history of several failed attempts.

Bollocks. My best friend killed himself on his first attempt when he was 14.


R128606
4 years ago
Snark

That’s how I imagine a tribute to Hunter S. Thompson should begin. He was indeed working on such a story, but it wasn’t what killed him.

Well, that’s justabout that.


R128757
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

In his interview with Jones he says this as well, however he does not deny that this statement was made Thompson.

I am not making this statement to go around with the argument again, however clarification is in order. Let stand as it is and what the writer said could be construed as being fictitious,
which it was not.
So yes, the point is made that his associate does not believe it to have been a murder but that doesn’t change the fact that Thompson said it to him.

It still boils down to whether you believe this statement was a coincidence or not.


R128764
4 years ago
Number5Toad

sorry Hack…but does he ever conclusively say, “Hunter called me and said to me that he was afraid he was going to be killed”?

because otherwise all i see is a fanciful wish from a friend and contemporary that his death was anything other than what it was – a suicide.


R128766
4 years ago
Chickenma1

Well, going just by what I’ve read here, sounds like it was analogous to those suicide capsule teeth that spies used go have in case they got caught.


R128815
4 years ago
FloydAnderson

PLAYBOY: Do you think that his (Nixon’s) resignation proves that the system works?

THOMPSON: Well, that depends on what you mean by “works.” We can take some comfort, I guess, in knowing the system was so finely conceived originally — almost 200 years ago — that it can still work when it’s absolutely forced to. In Nixon’s case, it wasn’t the system that tripped him up and finally destroyed his Presidency; it was Nixon himself, along with a handful of people who actually took it upon themselves to act on their own — a bit outside the system, in fact; maybe even a bit above and beyond it. There were a lot of “highly respected” lawyers, for instance — some of them alleged experts in their fields — who argued almost all the way to the end that Judge Sirica exceeded his judicial authority when he acted on his own instinct and put the most extreme kind of pressure on the original Watergate burglars to keep the case from going into the books as the cheap-Jack “third-rate burglary” that Nixon, Halderman and Ehrlichman told Ziegler to call it when the news first broke. If Sirica had gone along with the system, like the original Justice Department prosecutors did, McCord would never have cracked and written that letter that opened the gates to the White House. Sirica was the flywheel in that thing, from start to finish, when he put the final nail in the coffin by forcing James St. Clair, Nixon’s lawyer of last resort, to listen to those doomsday tapes that he had done everything possible to keep from hearing. But when he heard the voices, that pulled the rip cord on Nixon, once St. Clair went on record as having listened to the tapes — which proved his client guilty beyond any doubt — he had only two choices: to abandon Nixon at the eleventh hour or stay on and possibly get dragged down in the quicksand himself. Sirica wasn’t the only key figure in Nixon’s demise who could have played it safe by letting the system take its traditional course. The Washington Post editors who kept Woodward and Bernstein on the story could have stayed comfortably within the system without putting their backs to the wall in a showdown with the whole White House power structure and a vengeful bastard of a President like Nixon. Leon Jaworski, the special prosecutor, couldn’t even find a precedent in the system for challenging the President’s claim of “Executive privilege” in the U.S. Supreme Court. Hell, the list goes on and on…but in the end, the Nixon Watergate saga was written by mavericks who worked the loneliest outside edges of the system, not by the kind of people who played it safe and followed the letter of the law. If the system worked in this case, it was almost in spite of itself. Jesus, what else could the Congress have done — faced with the spectacle of a President going on national TV to admit a felony? Nixon dug his own grave, then made a public confession. If his resignation somehow proves the system works, you have to wonder how well that same system might have worked if we’d had a really blue-chip, sophisticated criminal in the White House — instead of a half-mad used-car salesman.

The Playboy Interview
November 1974

Post Modified: 02/23/06 15:26:35

R128822
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

thats the funny prt, Roberts says that in many of their last conversations he spoke of being worried about forces that wanted him silenced.

Did he say it the way he paraphrased it, no. He did that for dramatics in a homage to the style that Thompson epitomized.


R128823
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

Roberts does seem to think it was a suicide.


R128842
4 years ago
EGisJUICE

Conspiracy eh? Who are the conspirators?

The 19 hijackers who planned (conspired) to fly the planes into the buildings for one

The fuel and the steel, with the oxygen helping out on the sly?

Conspiracy – A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

Yet again in your rush to be an asshole and mock people, you fail to even know (or choose to ignore) the definitions of the words you’re mocking them for using.

Something you’re evidently masterful at. I appreciate your leading by example.

I never claimed I was. But maybe you should follow my lead, you know actually knowing the definitions of the words used, not calling people “nutters” when I think they’re wrong, not using “conspiracy theory” as a label to dismiss or marginalize people and subjects I don’t agree with, not mocking people because of your failure to understand that it’s ok for people to not agree with you.


R128845
4 years ago
Shogo

failure to understand that it’s ok for people to not agree with you.

Why do you think I don’t understand this? Because I persist in calling out batshit when I see it?

Tough titties, dude.

Anyone who buys into this “Hunter S. was kilt by the gummint!” nonsense is a fucktard, case fucking closed.


R128849
4 years ago
EGisJUICE

Why do you think I don’t understand this?

Anyone who buys into this “Hunter S. was kilt by the gummint!” nonsense is a fucktard, case fucking closed

Thanks for proving my point


R128851
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

Do you realize how small minded you sound. “Fucktard”?

Are you what? twelve?

your a joke, you can’t even respond to what he is saying, you never do, you never have.


R128860
4 years ago
Shogo

Do you realize how small minded you sound.

Do you realize how cracked out and idiotic you sound?


R128863
4 years ago
Shogo

Thanks for proving my point

Hey, I didn’t say it’s not OK to disagree with me. I’ll let you in on a secret, you don’t need my permission to disagree with me. Just as I don’t need your permission to think you’re an idiot.


R128875
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

Enlighten me great master.


R128877
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

Hey, I didn’t say it’s not OK to disagree with me. I’ll let you in on a secret, you don’t need my permission to disagree with me. Just as I don’t need your permission to think you’re an idiot.

it amounts to the same thing, your not ready to change people minds, your only here to call out “batshit”

this is not productive, your mental masturbation.

Funny, sad, but not productive.


R128962
4 years ago
Lot08

I enjoyed Hunter’s Fear and Loathing books the moment they were published. Is there an autopsy report saying he was loaded on something at the time of death? Did his writings or statements about suicide ever mention the suicide method of shooting himself? Was he ever violent? Wouldn’t he have OD’d himself on downs or heroine even though he wasn’t known to take heroine? Wouldn’t he have finished his book first?

If a Jew was found dead during the Third Reich, no matter whose hand pulled the trigger, should suicide really ever be stated as the cause of death?


R128966
4 years ago
Number5Toad

sigh...

Is there an autopsy report saying he was loaded on something at the time of death?

no, for whatever reason the coroner decided not to do a tox screen during the autopsy. but does it really matter? for one thing, there were very few times in his adult life (and he would have been the first to admit this) when he wasn’t loaded on something or other. and for another thing, as i stated above, the autopsy found that a single bullet fired from his gun was the cause of death, and found gunpowder on his hands and clothes.

Did his writings or statements about suicide ever mention the suicide method of shooting himself?

not of which i am specifically aware, no. his description of his ideal suicide which i read involved getting loaded (shock!) and driving his car off a certain cliff. but again, how relevant is that really? he spoke and wrote about his desire to die on his own terms frequently. maybe he decided at the last minute that he wanted to be damn sure that he would actually go when he decided to give it a whack (no pun intended).

Was he ever violent?

i don’t know. again….relevance? he was certainly self destructive, he owned several weapons which he enjoyed firing at various targets, and for like the bazillionth time, he often talked about killing himself.

Wouldn’t he have OD’d himself on downs or heroine even though he wasn’t known to take heroine?

pure speculation.

Wouldn’t he have finished his book first?

more speculation.

If a Jew was found dead during the Third Reich, no matter whose hand pulled the trigger, should suicide really ever be stated as the cause of death?

aaaaand, the inevitable Nazi reference. this thread can officially be declared finished. but to answer your question….if that specific Jew’s hand pulled the trigger, then yes, for god’s sake, it should be called a suicide.


R128967
4 years ago
Shogo

You can lead a nutter to conspiracy theories but you can’t make them think.


R128969
4 years ago
fennec

Wouldn’t he have OD’d himself on downs or heroine

If I were to kill myself, I would certainly want to overdose on heroine. Perhaps Batgirl. Yum. Know what I’m sayin’?


R128970
4 years ago
sisyphus

Any psychologist will tell you that suicides that are successfully committed have a history of several failed attempts

Jesusfuckingchrist. Is the idiocy on this board contagious? ‘Cause there has been a drastic upswing in asshat statements like this one recently. Any psychologist worth a damn will tell you that totalizing statements about suicide are bullshit, and they would probably add that you are developmentally delayed.


R128971
4 years ago
EGisJUICE

Just as I don’t need your permission to think you’re an idiot.

One. Trick. Pony.


R128972
4 years ago
Wombat

“Any psychologist will tell you that suicides that are successfully committed have a history of several failed attempts”

That would be working under the theory that most suicides are really a “cry for help” and so the suicidee is really expecting to be found/caught. If you are really serious about it then once would probably suffice, and a gun to the head is about as serious as you can get.


R128974
4 years ago
fennec

*it is sad that the intelligent and well spoken here* are constantly confronted with such jabbering buffoons. These guys are not intereste in debating any issue. By there works, ye shall know them. All these guys are interestd in is getting attention.

Haha, I hope you don’t consider yourself one.

your absolutely right.

Hack, isn’t that “you’re”. I don’t want to sound like I am trying to correct one of the intelligent and well spoken members of this forum. :’-D

Two gate keeping, judgmental, fools.

Don’t you mean to very eloquently call them “two gate keeping judgemental fools”?

He was killed by aliens. You know how I know? They didn’t say they didn’t kill him. Case closed.

hack, you need less self confidence.

Post Modified: 02/23/06 21:50:33

R128975
4 years ago
Shogo

One. Trick. Pony.

Suck. My. Dick.


R128977
4 years ago
fennec

eg, it would be one thing if he were wrong, but hack really is an idiot.


R128987
4 years ago
mtnlungta

whatever…he wrote great shit and now he wont. i’ll miss that.


R128990
4 years ago
Number5Toad

well said!!


R128993
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Yes Hunter, I do remember Curtis LeMay.

Sorry, but I can’t help but put this in here

We bombed their children. We killed their husbands and wives and we bombed them, and we’re going to do it again.

Post Modified: 02/24/06 08:55:36

R129071
4 years ago
Lot08

maybe he decided at the last minute that he wanted to be damn sure that he would actually go when he decided to give it a whack (no pun intended)

This is pure speculation. This is why one wishes to know how loaded he was, and on what. Why couldn’t he just have taken more of whatever he was on an OD’d. Nicely and smoothly. Why should he have committed such gruesome violence against his face instead of just fading himself off?

I’m not saying that he couldn’t have blown his brains out or that he definitely didn’t, but I’d like to know as much as humanly possible about the circumstances. Also, if he was really tremendously high on some certain drugs, we may be able to say that he was not guilty of his suicide just as someone who kills someone else under certain conditions is not guilty of murder, but only of manslaughter.

A sort of a friend of millions of the baby boom generation is dead under violent circumstances and there may be some lessons to be learned, whether they are political, fascistic, psychological, pharmacological, circumstancial or some combination.

If I have to decide to narrow down my truth seeking projects to eliminate this one, I still may try one more comment somewhere to see if there are any missing leads or considerations in this Hunter S. Thompson story if that’s okay with the Mr. and Mrs. Fucking Certainty faction.


R129093
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

Cheap shots all the way around.

I’m not certain he killed himself, I’m just tired of jabbering trolls storming the party announcing debate is dead and I’m absurd for even talking about this.

Fennce. What the hell am I wrong about? Engaging in an idea? Wanting to reasonably talk about instead of being told again, and again, and again how much of a moron I am for brining the subject up?

And if you consider my punctuation to be as crude and ignorant as the statements such as –

Suck. My. Dick

Tough titties, dude.

Anyone who buys into this “Hunter S. was kilt by the gummint!” nonsense is a fucktard, case fucking closed.

Go fuck yourself.

Then your missing the point.

If your here to score cheap points then have at. You hypocrisy is blatant.

Bring on the cheap shots from the peanut gallery!


R129095
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

I would have expected more respect from GNNer’s to be honest.

This is the crux of what I am talking about, being able to debate an idea, no matter how strange or absurd it may be based on the available facts. that is what truth seeking is about, looking for ideas and possibilities where no one thinks to look.

I applaud Number5Toad because he was willing to spend the time, do some research and formulate an oppinion instead of vomitting up childish nonsense.


R129097
4 years ago
JA_Prufrock

EG > Shogo

Saying because he used drugs he was by default wrong and unreliable is a little presumptuous…IF it was Zoloft and Budweiser would he be considered credible then?

PS At least Hunter had the balls to use a gun and not pills like some pussy…


R129104
4 years ago
Snark

I’m not certain he killed himself, I’m just tired of jabbering trolls storming the party announcing debate is dead and I’m absurd for even talking about this.

Well, dude, I hate to say it, but the debate is pretty dead; there’s no evidence he was killed, the source you cited to support your original near-certainty he was killed was pretty thoroughly debunked (or rather, your misinterpretation of said source was debunked), and I think that clinging to the supposition that he was killed, just because that hypothesis most closely fits your conspiracy theories, really is pretty absurd. There’s really no reason to continue believing that, but instead of conceding the point and moving on, you’re continuing to cling to it as a possibility, while complaining that we’re not nice enough to you. If I was dismissive out of hand at the beginning, it was because the idea is prima facie absurd to anybody who’s done any real research on the event, because there’s no plausible evidence of his murder. Sorry I wasn’t all nice and shit; I’ve been grumpy lately.

Post Modified: 02/24/06 08:25:22

R129105
4 years ago
Shogo

Saying because he used drugs he was by default wrong and unreliable is a little presumptuous

No, that’s not what I said.

Here’s the argument being put forward by the foil hat brigade:

Hunter was about to blow the lid on explosives at the WTC and/or government child-sex rings. For some reason, despite numerous authors having written about both of these topics for years, coming from him such writing could not be tolerated, so government agents killed him and made it look like a suicide.

What’s the basis for this belief?

Nothing but the speculation of an old friend of Hunter who himself stated that it was only a fantasy on his part, preferring that to Hunter simply growing tired of his existence.

My problem with the scenario as outlined above is that in the eyes of mainstream America, Hunter, at the end of his life, was perceived as a burned out, drug-addled boozer. The idea that the government was afraid that mainstream America would be convinced about either of those topics because Hunter wrote about them is ludicrous on it’s face.

Hunter was an icon of the counter-culture. Hunter was not a mainstream author. The whole idiotic fantasy only came about because Hunter’s friend talked about how he’d rather Hunter have died.

Good to see you sticking up for the forces of mindless following, though. Well done Prufrock.


R129112
4 years ago
JA_Prufrock

Thx for your vote of confidence..at least you didn’t go tell me to go fuck myself…...yet

I never said, “Shogo you are being presumptuous..” did I? Let me scroll up..OK, nope…I was making an observation in conjuction with your point about mainstream media, IE agreeing with you Shogo..

I am also on your side about the conspiracy of Hunter’s death…My gripe is throughout this thread you make valiad points then top it off with dumbass phrases and personal attacks…It makes your valid points look moot…

And No I am not the PC police, but if you want people to listen don’t start and end your thread with “FUCK YOU” or “YOU’RE a GD IDIOT FUCK FACE”

The revolution will not begin or end with an epithet….


R129113
4 years ago
Suitcaseman

Just random killing like that, mass killing to force a population to get rid of Saddam so we can move in and take over and control the oil

New Liberation Video Shows Fallujah Bombing Massacre


R129116
4 years ago
Shogo

It makes your valid points look moot…

If you say so. I have a hard time being polite in the face of willful ignorance.


R129143
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

Shogo has mad an argument without attacking anyone! Hurray!

_What’s the basis for this belief?
Nothing but the speculation of an old friend of Hunter who himself stated that it was only a fantasy on his part, preferring that to Hunter simply growing tired of his existence._

No, he does not. He says that hunter had implied this idea to him in numerous conversations.

the source you cited to support your original near-certainty he was killed was pretty thoroughly debunked (or rather, your misinterpretation of said source was debunked),

Again see above.

and I think that clinging to the supposition that he was killed, just because that hypothesis most closely fits your conspiracy theories, really is pretty absurd. There’s really no reason to continue believing that, but instead of conceding the point and moving on, you’re continuing to cling to it as a possibility,

read, what I have been saying.

Exactly EG. You summed it up. My original post was in that vein of thought. When I was called a nutter however I decided to play devils advocate. To be honest I believe that his death could have been either suicide or murder.

all I wanted was to talk about the possibilities, but when you have some one show up and say that’s not possible and you shouldn’t talk about it I get pissed. I’m not here to be told what to think, I’m here to explore ideas that has been the continuous theme of my statements in this thread. I said it once, and will gain, I think it could be either. But I will not be told to sit down and shut up by foul mouthed jokers who aren’t willing to engage in a real search for truth.

_If I was dismissive out of hand at the beginning, it was because the idea is prima facie absurd to anybody who’s done any real research on the event, because there’s no plausible evidence of his murder. _

I still disagree with this, anytime someone says that will be silenced and are fearful of being silenced and then they are I am curious. That’s the point. Again, I don’t know how many ways to say this but the fact is I was more bothered with Shogo’s close mindedness than with what happened to Thompson, that is the only reason I have bothered to continue the conversation and expose myself to such inept ignorance.

Sorry I wasn’t all nice and shit; I’ve been grumpy lately.

No harm no foul.


R129159
4 years ago
Shogo

all I wanted was to talk about the possibilities

You might as well be talking about space aliens, then – in the interest of covering all bases.


R129165
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

thats not the same,

it doesnt make you curious at all that he was afraid of being silenced?

I mean, I owuld have given it to right away if you had said “Yeah maybe he was, but Thompson was a paranoid fuck.”

A friend of mine made the point lat night that maybe he killed himself because he was afraid…

another good point.

These arguments still fit in the realm of suicide while admitting that he said this to Roberts, which no one is disputing.

Remember, I said Roberts did say that he thought it was a ssuicide, but also says Hunter made those type of statements to him.


R129168
4 years ago
Number5Toad

SIGH

This is pure speculation

yes, you’re right, it is. i countered your pure speculation with some of my own. sucks when someone tosses a speculative thought out there that can’t really be proven or disproven, doesn’t it?

Why couldn’t he just have taken more of whatever he was on an OD’d. Nicely and smoothly. Why should he have committed such gruesome violence against his face instead of just fading himself off?

how the hell should i know? how the hell should anyone but the dead guy know that? furthermore why does it really matter?? that’s effectively a line of questioning with no answer.

Also, if he was really tremendously high on some certain drugs, we may be able to say that he was not guilty of his suicide just as someone who kills someone else under certain conditions is not guilty of murder, but only of manslaughter

........

ok, but what’s the point?? the debate here is whether he was killed or he killed himself, not whether or not society or his drug use or whatever else drove him to kill himself.

A sort of a friend of millions of the baby boom generation is dead under violent circumstances and there may be some lessons to be learned, whether they are political, fascistic, psychological, pharmacological, circumstancial or some combination

c’mon man…i’m not from the baby boom generation, and i can tell you that Hunter did a shitload of drugs for a long, long time. i can also tell you that such a level of drug consumption can affect your psyche to the point where you might do something crazy or self destructive, like killing yourself. he’s not the first icon from that generation to end up dead from his activities, drug related or not.

i can respect that you’re questioning his death for other reasons, i just frankly don’t understand them in the slightest.

I still may try one more comment somewhere to see if there are any missing leads or considerations in this Hunter S. Thompson story if that’s okay with the Mr. and Mrs. Fucking Certainty faction

who’s the mrs??

investigate it all you like, man, if you turn up a fact or a lead that i missed i’d love to hear it. as of right now tho, the facts at hand pretty clearly indicate to me that his death was a suicide. i’m sorry if you feel that i’m shutting your inquisitive mind down for telling you that, but i really can’t see how an objective examination of the facts and not the speculation could lead anyone to any other conclusion.


R129171
4 years ago
Shogo

it doesnt make you curious at all that he was afraid of being silenced?

No.

But I’ve also personally known and been friends with people who had long-running drug habits that made them paranoid. I knew one guy, total meth head, and he used to believe that the FBI and CIA were spying on him. If you knew him, you’d understand how absurd that is.

So while Hunter may have had some fear of being silenced, that’s just silly when you look at how many books and columns the man wrote that were published. He wasn’t silenced, far from it. And in regards to those particular subjects, there are already numerous authors who write about them.

I’m not trying to be closed minded – if there were some basis to think that he might have been asssassinated I’d be open to discussing it. But there isn’t, not that I can see.


R129265
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

That about wraps it all up then.

Sidenote: Roberts says in the Jones interview that thompson didn’t take as many drugs as he popularized himself as having done, he did that push an image.

Final Word: Thompson, was and will always be one of my heros. He propably did take the easy way out. Maybe I am a tin foil hat wearing fool, but I will always wonder. Hunter was far too dramatic for me not to consider the darker possibilites in the long nights. Maybe I’m just romantic in wanting to make something more of it.

Who knows.


R129269
4 years ago
Snark

Thompson, was and will always be one of my heros

On that, I’ll agree with you wholeheartedly. I wouldn’t want to emulate his life- but I admire the pure balls-out gonzo intensity with which he lived it, and his brutal dedication to truth and fundamental honesty.


R129270
4 years ago
HackMkUltra

that about wraps it up then.

He propably did commit suicide. He was, and will always be one of my heros. Because of that I will always wonder if he was, or was not murdered, he was do dramatic a figure not to ge caught up in the dark romance of that idea for me.

who knows.

either way, thanks for challenging me to think about it more.


R129280
4 years ago
JA_Prufrock

I believe his last colum was recalling a phone conversation with Bill Murray at like 4 AM on ESPN.com about Shotgun Golf…

http://tinyurl.com/5yvn7

I believe that if Hunter had some big story to drop he would have…Friends grieve in different ways…Roberts may be just sad or just pissed…To argue what we know for sure is, well that we do not know for sure…Peace brothers..we ae mostly on the same team I believe..

Back to FloydAnderson’s original post Here’s a great quote or two:

“We’ve come to a point where every four years this national fever rises up—this hunger for the Saviour, the White Knight, the Man on Horseback—and whoever wins becomes so immensely powerful, like Nixon is now, that when you vote for President today you’re talking about giving a man dictatorial power for four years. I think it might be better to have the President sort of like the King of England—or the Queen—and have the real business of the presidency conducted by…a City Manager-type, a Prime Minister, somebody who’s directly answerable to Congress, rather than a person who moves all his friends into the White House and does whatever he wants for four years. The whole framework of the presidency is getting out of hand. It’s come to the point where you almost can’t run unless you can cause people to salivate and whip each other with big sticks. You almost have to be a rock star to get the kind of fever you need to survive in American politics.” —-Fear & Loathing campaign ’72

There was one exact moment, in fact, when I knew for sure that Al Gore would never be President of the United States, no matter what the experts were saying— and that was when the whole Bush family suddenly appeared on TV and openly scoffed at the idea of Gore winning Florida. It was Nonsense, said the Candidate, Utter nonsense. . . Anybody who believed Bush had lost Florida was a Fool. The Media, all of them, were Liars & Dunces or treacherous whores trying to sabotage his victory. . . Here was the whole bloody Family laughing & hooting & sneering at the dumbness of the whole world on National TV. The old man was the real tip-off. The leer on his face was almost frightening. It was like looking into the eyes of a tall hyena with a living sheep in its mouth. The sheep’s fate was sealed, and so was Al Gore’s.” —-The Fix Is In 11-07-00

“This is going to be a very expensive war, and Victory is not guaranteed— for anyone, and certainly not for anyone as baffled as George W. Bush. All he knows is that his father started the war a long time ago, and that he, the goofy child-President, has been chosen by Fate and the global Oil industry to finish it Now.”
—When the Drums Roll

“The Rumsfield-Cheney axis has self-destructed right in front of our eyes, along with the once-proud Perle-Wolfowitz bund that is turning to wax. They somehow managed to blow it all, like a gang of kids on a looting spree, between January and July, or even less. It is genuinely incredible. The U.S. Treasury is empty, we are losing that stupid, fraudulent chickencrap War in Iraq, and every country in the world except a handful of Corrupt Brits despises us. We are losers, and that is the one unforgiveable sin in America.” —Welcome to the Big Darkness

“I take no pleasure in being Right in my dark predictions about the fate of our military intervention in the heart of the Muslim world. It is immensely depressing to me. Nobody likes to be betting against the Home team.” —-Fast and Furious


R129284
4 years ago
Snark

It’s come to the point where you almost can’t run unless you can cause people to salivate and whip each other with big sticks.

A great quote.


R129285
4 years ago
JA_Prufrock

Last colum he wrote for ESPN.com

http://tinyurl.com/5yvn7

All we know is that, well we do not know…Why argue past that? Peace brothers..we are mostly on the same side….

Now back to FloydAnderson’s quotes idea:

“We’ve come to a point where every four years this national fever rises up—this hunger for the Saviour, the White Knight, the Man on Horseback—and whoever wins becomes so immensely powerful, like Nixon is now, that when you vote for President today you’re talking about giving a man dictatorial power for four years. I think it might be better to have the President sort of like the King of England—or the Queen—and have the real business of the presidency conducted by…a City Manager-type, a Prime Minister, somebody who’s directly answerable to Congress, rather than a person who moves all his friends into the White House and does whatever he wants for four years. The whole framework of the presidency is getting out of hand. It’s come to the point where you almost can’t run unless you can cause people to salivate and whip each other with big sticks. You almost have to be a rock star to get the kind of fever you need to survive in American politics.” —-Fear & Loathing on Campaign ’72

“There was one exact moment, in fact, when I knew for sure that Al Gore would never be President of the United States, no matter what the experts were saying— and that was when the whole Bush family suddenly appeared on TV and openly scoffed at the idea of Gore winning Florida. It was Nonsense, said the Candidate, Utter nonsense. . . Anybody who believed Bush had lost Florida was a Fool. The Media, all of them, were Liars & Dunces or treacherous whores trying to sabotage his victory. . . Here was the whole bloody Family laughing & hooting & sneering at the dumbness of the whole world on National TV. The old man was the real tip-off. The leer on his face was almost frightening. It was like looking into the eyes of a tall hyena with a living sheep in its mouth. The sheep’s fate was sealed, and so was Al Gore’s.” —The Fix Is In 11-07-00

“This is going to be a very expensive war, and Victory is not guaranteed— for anyone, and certainly not for anyone as baffled as George W. Bush. All he knows is that his father started the war a long time ago, and that he, the goofy child-President, has been chosen by Fate and the global Oil industry to finish it Now.”—-When War Drums Roll 09-17-01

“The Rumsfield-Cheney axis has self-destructed right in front of our eyes, along with the once-proud Perle-Wolfowitz bund that is turning to wax. They somehow managed to blow it all, like a gang of kids on a looting spree, between January and July, or even less. It is genuinely incredible. The U.S. Treasury is empty, we are losing that stupid, fraudulent chickencrap War in Iraq, and every country in the world except a handful of Corrupt Brits despises us. We are losers, and that is the one unforgiveable sin in America.” —-Welcome to the Big Darkness

“I take no pleasure in being Right in my dark predictions about the fate of our military intervention in the heart of the Muslim world. It is immensely depressing to me. Nobody likes to be betting against the Home team.” —-Fast and Furious


R129357
4 years ago
Lot08

The doubts and the suspicions are not evoked just because of Hunter. People have been murdered and specialists have made some of them look like suicides. What better method to use on someone who has talked about suicide?
The note could have been written at another time as part of some other situation.

Post Modified: 02/27/06 03:02:08

R129358
4 years ago
Lot08

Anyone who insists that hard evidence is the sine qua non of legitimacy for questioning a death that may be a murder makes the work of the two generations old CIA/Murder Incorporated symbiosis all the more comforting for them.


R129359
4 years ago
Lot08

Anyone who insists that hard evidence is the sine qua non of legitimacy for questioning whether or not some deaths were murders or not is just making the work of the two-generation old CIA/Murder Incorporated symbiosis more comfortable.


R129361
4 years ago
Shogo

Anyone who insists that hard evidence

How about any evidence?


R129362
4 years ago
Shogo

Anyone who is ready to believe any wild claim without evidence is just making the work of foil-hat conspiracy nutters easier.


R129363
4 years ago
Lot08

Anyone who makes hard evidence the sine qua non of legitimacy for questioning whether or not certain deaths may be murders is just making the two-generations old CIA/Murder Incorporated symbiosis all the more comfortable for them. There are such intentional assets of this cancerous and nuclear threat against humanity posting here, hiding in their anonymity and other postings about attractive or interesting topics.


R129364
4 years ago
Lot08

Even if this was a suicide, the point is that evidence and truth are not the same and do not always coincide.

Post Modified: 02/27/06 03:03:53

R129365
4 years ago
Shogo

There are such intentional assets of this cancerous and nuclear threat against humanity posting here

Dude, how did you know???

THAT’S SO TOTALLY WHY I’M HERE!!!!!

I’m an intentional asset, which is better than being an unintentional asshat.


R129367
4 years ago
Lot08

The questioning of tragic events and the suspicion that the blame is with the military-industrial-criminal complex is understandable in a Northwoods, Oliver North, Bushwhacking America.

Northwoods

Post Modified: 02/27/06 03:37:38

R129369
4 years ago
Lot08

Anyone who makes hard evidence the sine qua non of legitimacy for questioning whether or not certain deaths may be murders is just making the two-generations old CIA/Murder Incorporated symbiosis all the more comfortable for them. I believe there may well be such intentional assets of this cancerous and nuclear threat against humanity posting here, hiding in their anonymity and other postings about attractive or interesting topics.


R129371
4 years ago
in_itself

re-runs already?


R129373
4 years ago
Number5Toad

I’m an intentional asset, which is better than being an unintentional asshat

:’-D

too bad he’ll likely never see that comment…


R129388
4 years ago
Lot08

Anyone who makes hard evidence the sine qua non of legitimacy for questioning whether or not certain deaths may be murders is just making the two-generations old CIA/Murder Incorporated symbiosis all the more comfortable for them. I believe there may well be such intentional assets of this cancerous and nuclear threat against humanity posting here, hiding in their anonymity and their other postings about attractive or interesting topics.


R129471
4 years ago
Lot08

Child pornography and training children to be sexual liasons of priests and judges is one of the several pillars of organized crime. Significant personalities in sensitive sectors of American society have been controlled by CIA/organized crime blackmail due to this. The threat of exposure can be more powerful than the threat of death to a politician, clergyman or judge. Hunter may have been on to something more than just inconvenient.

Post Modified: 02/27/06 03:39:42

R129472
4 years ago
Lot08

Anyone who makes hard evidence the sine qua non of legitimacy for questioning whether or not certain deaths may be murders is just making the two-generations old CIA/Murder Incorporated symbiosis all the more comfortable for them. I believe there may well be such intentional assets of this cancerous and nuclear threat against humanity posting here, hiding in their anonymity and their other postings about attractive or interesting topics.


R129486
4 years ago
Lot08

Agents and wannabe agents of today’s U.S. military-industrial-organized crime complex cannot easily get into every activist group. Points can be awarded for Internet psyops by the MIC until someone proves himself for other ops.

Post Modified: 02/27/06 03:17:57

R129487
4 years ago
Memnoch01

Repetition is teh funneh!


R129506
4 years ago
Shogo

What a douchebag.


R129508
4 years ago
Memnoch01

You’re right though, they do let any idiot teach English in China.


R129667
4 years ago
Lot08

Anyone who makes hard evidence the sine qua non of legitimacy for questioning whether or not certain deaths may be murders is just making the two-generations old CIA/Murder Incorporated symbiosis all the more comfortable for them. I believe there may well be such intentional assets of this cancerous and nuclear threat against humanity posting here, hiding in their anonymity and their other postings about attractive or interesting topics.


R129668
4 years ago
fennec

The more he posts it the more right it seems.


R129678
4 years ago
Memnoch01

He made me look up “sine qua non” anyway…

si·ne qua non ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sn kw√§ nn, nn, sn, kw)
n.

An essential element or condition: “The perfect cake is the sine qua non of the carefully planned modern wedding” (J.M. Hilary).

R129710
4 years ago
Shogo

Evidence as an essential element is obviously absurd.


R129901
4 years ago
fennec

He made me look up “sine qua non” anyway

At least it wasn’t English and you have an excuse this time.


R129906
4 years ago
innercitythot

A tribute to Hunter, bless his smutty soul; I believe his statement “who stands to benefit” applies very much here, from the issue at hand to this issue of credibility and counter credibility concerning its debate. To avoid use of the word “slander” and such, I make the analogy that most of us burn with curiosity; the burning of that metaphorical fuel to attain acceptable acceptance of given information. Let that flame carry on in warm kinder (as kinder is, by definition, not entirely consumed) and maintained in a friction that is considerate to the quote unquote root. This subject, much like all information (debatably), like fire, is fickle, elusive and fragile. Those who divert their light, heat, and energy in burning their freshly green peers outright as opposed to striking up a good friction in dialogue, only serve to temper said burned in resiliance/opposition.

If Hunter was murdered, slaughtered, killed in the second tense, where does the benefactor lie? It stands to reason that he was a closely observed man from all points, regardless of cult iconism, he has immortalized his person very much as that of a noun by our times standards. If the government did kill him, it would be
well calculated enough as to impose evidence that it was suicide, yet not calculated enough to see the outcome; the opposition taking up its perverbial arms? To what end should they kill the messenger if only to martyr him in the benefit of the very opposition that sparks this debate in the first place, which is this- we risk our lives in our radical thought and free speech despite what is written on the walls, that not one of us is safe, maybe even in these forums. If this logic is true, then the seat of powers TRUE agenda is to polarize this variable of population we call america thereby sparking revolution, civil war, internal strife, which (again, debatably) would illustrate what portion of our nation is which; chaff vs. wheat. “Society” would escalate from experiment to hard science.

But Hunter was a wise man, despite the majority of his brain consisting of bong resin and an entire catalog of uppers downers, laughers screamers (you all know the rest, damn Depp fans)... He was a true professional journalist of the individuals morals, not the status quo, bitingly fresh, yet respectful OF that status quo, one who kept his self confidence at hand while humbling his ego, who expressed so admirably in beligerant speculation, and the avid, passionate pursuit of elusive simplicity. Maybe we as the mighty scholars we grace ourselves to be should not be wracking our brains over whether or not he killed himself and why, or if he was cut short and by who, and rather ask, is suicide the true American dream?


R130002
4 years ago
Lot08

Anyone who makes hard evidence the sine qua non of legitimacy for questioning whether or not certain deaths may be murders is just making the two-generations old CIA/Murder Incorporated symbiosis all the more comfortable for them. I believe there may well be such intentional assets of this cancerous and nuclear threat against humanity posting here, hiding in their anonymity and their other postings about attractive or interesting topics.


R130006
4 years ago
Snark

So I shouldn’t demand hard evidence for assertions, no matter how implausible they may seem?

Then I expect you to believe me wholeheartedly when I tell you I’m currently petting a small, lime green genetic chimera named “Forbes” that I personally gene-spliced in my lab a few weeks ago.

Fear him.

Post Modified: 02/26/06 21:54:05

R130007
4 years ago
sisyphus

Anyone who makes hard evidence the sine qua non of legitimacy for questioning whether or not certain deaths may be murders is just making the two-generations old CIA/Murder Incorporated symbiosis all the more comfortable for them. I believe there may well be such intentional assets of this cancerous and nuclear threat against humanity posting here, hiding in their anonymity and their other postings about attractive or interesting topics.


R130008
4 years ago
Number5Toad

well said, sis….


R130010
4 years ago
Memnoch01

Its sine qua non...

Get it right…


R130013
4 years ago
Snark

Maybe we as the mighty scholars we grace ourselves to be should not be wracking our brains over whether or not he killed himself and why, or if he was cut short and by who, and rather ask, is suicide the true American dream?

Damn, that’s profound. I’ll have to ruminate on that.


R130069
4 years ago
Lot08

I edited half of the ripostes. S PM’d me about it. I told him I thought the thread had been cut off from comments and that I had kept trying to make the same point over and over again. On catchup,

So, then where do they practice American media psyops before, during and after murdering people and blaming it on the Cubans or the victims themselves?

A. Media coverage of the Warren Commission B. The Iran/Contra hearings C. 9/11 commission D. Everywhere

Northwoods

Post Modified: 02/27/06 03:47:58

R130085
4 years ago
Snark

Don’t make me sic Forbes on you, fool. If you honestly think that anything can be assumed without evidence, especially as regards a death, you’re a fucking simpleton.


R130418
4 years ago
Lot08

I don’t know what the fuck your talking about Snark. You’re a fucking piece of shit.


R130419
4 years ago
Lot08

I don’t know what the fuck you are talking about Snark. You’re a fucking piece of shit.


R130421
4 years ago
Shogo

Rad. He totally snapped.


R130423
4 years ago
Snark

I don’t know what the fuck your talking about Snark.

Let me simplify. Logic? Basic thinking skills? Not being a credulous tool?

You’re a fucking piece of shit.

I’ve been called worse by better men than you. Try harder or fuck off.


R130425
4 years ago
Snark

Rad. He totally snapped.

What is it with all this animosity directed towards me lately? Am I being more of an asshole than usual, or are there just a lot more total mongloids infesting the forum who I can’t resist kicking around?


R130442
4 years ago
fennec

The second one.


R130443
4 years ago
sisyphus

Am I being more of an asshole than usual, or are there just a lot more total mongloids infesting the forum who I can’t resist kicking around?

Both.


R130444
4 years ago
Snark

Thanks for being honest, brah.


R130450
4 years ago
Shogo

You’ve developed a bit more of an assholish facade over the past couple of months, likely as a result of the mongoloid infestation.


R130451
4 years ago
Snark

Really? I know I’ve been grumpy lately- bad breakup- but didn’t know I’d been assholish for the past couple months. Maybe it’s job stress.


R130459
4 years ago
Shogo

Doesn’t bother me – I enjoy it.


R130465
4 years ago
Wombat

“Maybe it’s job stress.”

Maybe its just a metamorphosis into your true self.

Escape from your cocoon of public opinion enforced politeness and become the truly great arsehole that is your innermost self. If it is only in astute ad hominem attacks that you genuinely discover understanding then you are truly on a path to enlightenment.


R130466
4 years ago
Snark

Eh, I don’t think my innermost self is an asshole. Massively opinionated and snarky, yes, but not quite an asshole.


R130480
4 years ago
sisyphus

To be fair, it’s not just you Snark. Seems like a number of folks around here have recently had their patience worn thin.


R130482
4 years ago
Number5Toad

i’m sure i don’t know what you’re talking about, sis.

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