Sunday, November 15, 2009

GNN is Dead!

GNN is Dead!

Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:04:41 -0500
R76969
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

i’m not an old school gnn user, so forgive my ignorance. you’re saying textile is the downfall of this site? i don’t understand. but i value your opinion and acknowledge your level of anger, frustration, and disappointment. please help me understand what’s so wrong with the site and what was so good about the way it used to be. thanks. we love you.


R76973
5 years ago
fennec

Why don’t you cry about it?


R76974
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

PS i’m not saying your wrong. i just need your help to understand. if you’re this pissed, there must be a good reason for it.


R76975
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

hahaha good to see you, fen


R76977
5 years ago
silverback

we can’t just extract textile from the programming of the site. Tiberius, if you haven’t noticed, nothing is going on right now. we are broke and simply trying to get the basic functionality of the GNN 2.0 plan to work. then we will get some dedicated and politically aligned programmers to help. while there are a shitload of problems with the site, textile really isn’t that serious of an issue. yes it’s a faulty tool, but many others have actually made some nice shit with it.

if you think the lack of response is arrogance, then i am sorry. it’s more that we are trying to keep our other projects going so we can circle back to the next tier of development once the fucking investigations section is done. it’s not arrogance, it’s just accepting the fact that we are really limited in what we can do right now.

meanwhile, i think the blogs are really dope.


R76987
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

thanks for everything everyone puts into this site. especially you, stephen, anthony, and jessey. sure, things could be better. but room for improvement is a good thing. we’ll get there. in the meanwhile, let’s keep up the good work, or accelerate it. any guerrilla programmers out there looking for a worthwhile project to dedicate volunteer time to?


R76988
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

hahaha when you deleted this entry from you blog, Tib, it stayed in the site assets forum. muah hahahaha


R76990
5 years ago
MarchHare

“muah hahahaha”

Seriously, wtf?


R76996
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

oh, there it is. my bad. i swear it disappeared for a while. wtf WHAT, MH?!? got beef? LOL i’m just playing around friend. lighten up


R77003
5 years ago
neverknwo


R77010
5 years ago
Twitch

-Tib

you are an old timer. so stick with it. offer solutions. and keep your eye on the goal. encourage the writers to write, the bloggers to blog, the posters to post.

keep the vigil man. it’s people like you that drive people like me to the site and keep us here. you have good insight, good perpsective and a good knack for providing think pieces that make me really think and develop my ideas.

the failure rate of some weapons is stunning, but warriors continue to use them to fight because it’s one of the tools they have in their arsenal to win the next battle.

but the mind is the single most effective tool in any arsenal.

your not the only warrior that has voiced dissent about the Generals methods, but the Generals will use new techiques, strategies and tactics to get an edge whenever possible.

we pay when we do well, and we pay when we do poorly, but we battle on

Peace


R77016
5 years ago
bengsmack

twitch, I like your tone and your talent.

frustrations will abound. especially since our side doesn’t get the money hungry whores that will suckle any body part we place in their mouths—having more of those cronies around helps their side maintain their calm.

but this isn’t an us/them deal.

You preach the uniting tone of love. I can learn from you. Thank you.


R77022
5 years ago
fennec

I would have enjoyed calling twitch a pussy in a post directly following his. Fuck you for ruining that.


R77025
5 years ago
Twitch

-fen

It’s never too late. Welcome home.

But, please do me a favor and go get Anphony to do the disrespect thing. He’s better at it than the ‘fennec’ persona.

Post Modified: 08/17/05 07:16:14

R77029
5 years ago
OhioYooper

Don’t pay any attention to fennec’s two-bit ad homs.

Talk about a tool without a tool.

Since Anthony and Stephen took away his Textile bombing privelages, he’s as basic a cunt, as a cunt can be.

Not only that, and he won’t tell you, so I will. He’s got grad school grumpies.

Fucker can’t handle real life. Bitches about everything. Never actually does jackshit. Unless you count being a professional student.

If anything is making GNN a dead zone, it’s the cancer of fennec.

/me passes him a bottle of mydol

Post Modified: 08/17/05 11:10:32

R77081
5 years ago
sisyphus

Why is this not top blog?

Good to see you tiberius.


R77083
5 years ago
409

Don’t get up just lay down and die!!!


R77092
5 years ago
ubiquity

Hello dolly pies, long time no see. I’ve changed my name so you probably won’t recognize me. But. Tib. What happened was is the guys got together and they thought,” wow this is really great let’s make it better” and then they painted themselves into a corner.

Oops.

But the world is really hoppin’. Not sure what Silverback means when it says that nothing is going on right now, or that the blogs are dope (admittedly I’m from anOTHER planet). But. I’ve been out in the world and. In the last year it has just gotten crazier and crazier. Don’t hang up. The guerrilla has always suffered a wee bit from das fatalismo.

We’re go be fine.


R77169
5 years ago
Tiberius

how this thing got on the top blog list i’ll never understand. i’d feel a lot better being up here for anyone of the other blogs i’ve written that are much more productive than this hissy fit i threw yesterday.

but i feel i do owe you some clarification. the problem yesterday was just a culmination of many things that i didn’t articulate very well.

first thing though is that this gnn project, and by that i mean gnn as a whole, not beta 2.0, is something very important to me. while my frustration is somewhat warranted, i should have done something more productive.

i also had to take some time to think about what really angered me, because that childish tirade had to be over more than just textism. one of the underlying causes of my anger was that i’ve noticed the old gnn site has been taken down.

i don’t want to go on for chapters about that, but it did bug me because although i can download everything i’ve ever contributed on the old site, i’m not narcissistic enough to sit here and read my stuff from the past out of context of the site i made it for. the only value my work had was in context of the site as a whole, not on its own.

i’m not going to second guess the decision because in fairness i can’t. but what bugs me about it is that all the hard work, not just mine, was an important body of work—i think—and it leaves me wondering if someday all the work i may do here will end up meeting the same fate. i took it as a blow, something many people may not understand. but calling this site 2.0 is kind of redundant now, because the predecessor has been flushed down the rabbit hole.

it was just another straw. there were priceless things contributed to the old site by others in this community that are now gone forever, it would seem.

so that’s a clarification of what sentiment was behind my actions yesterday.

i will respond to the specific questions that some of you asked me now…


R77171
5 years ago
Tiberius

shift, part of your answer is in the previous post, but as for textism…

i can see the idea behind textism—why the developer made it—and it’s a good idea, but the current state of the code is not. it is not finished. there are many conflicts with the code and i’d hazard a guess it gives cinis headaches. an unfinished beta code (i’m sure the developer of textism would disagree that his code is unfinished) on a beta site seems like asking for a lot of trouble.

i know a little bit about web authoring (as some of you newbies will never know since all that stuff is gone now) and of all the compilers i’ve used, i rate textism as the worst bar none. it makes my job here that much harder for nothing.

but it won’t be going nowhere and i accept that as well as accepting that it had to implemented on a site like this because html would have wreaked havoc here on the backbone of the site.

but from now on, i won’t be bugging gnn’rs about it. i’m going to save that for the developer because he really needs to get his act together and i need to stop making it seem like i’m holding jesse responsible for this piece of crap.

like i said, it had to be deployed here, this new structure wouldn’t have been possible without something like it.

this site has lost some of its edge, and making it a real chore to post here isn’t helping.

nuff whining about textism here by me!

and thanks for the kind words.


R77172
5 years ago
Tiberius

fen… why don’t you do something productive like writting a tutorial since you seem to be one of the very few people who’s broken the enigma?

or is that too much against your grain?


R77175
5 years ago
Tiberius

silver… i owe you the apology. i really shouldn’t have went off like that. apologies to anthony and jesse also.

also thanks to twitch for the shot in the shoulder, sisyphus for shouting out and ubiquity for the encouragement. i’d put my hand in fire and say your name is pete ;)


R77183
5 years ago
OhioYooper

“what bugs me about it is that all the hard work, not just mine, was an important body of work—i think—and it leaves me wondering if someday all the work i may do here will end up meeting the same fate.” —- Tiberius

Wasn’t there some vague promise of putting all of the old GNN on CD-ROM and offering it for sale?

Would have been a cash generating mechanism, and as you point out a there was a enough good stuff there, once the weeds were removed, to have made it worthwhile.

Lost in the shuffle, I presume.

Silver?


R77229
5 years ago
Porktamer

Ohio…

Would you buy the old GNN disk? I spend so much time reading the NEW stuff, that I would hardly have time for the old stuff. That’s just me; I work 40 hours a week, commute another 12 hours, and have band practice/shows another 15 hours a week. If people with time on their hands would buy it… more power to you guys.

Tib…

I certainly hope you don’t give up on Gnn. I remember liking your contributions back in the day (where have you been? should I be looking for articles posted under a real name?). I’m confused about the HATRED that some people have for textile. I never was an html head (fuck, I just cut and paste the shit), so I quickly adapted to textile; being that bold, italic, block quotes, links and posting pics are the only codes I ever use. For some reason its so much easier for me remember the textile code rather than html.


R77253
5 years ago
Tiberius

hi pork… you are absolutely correct that textism is much easier than html, and textism could work if their wasn’t so many bugs in the code.

it’s absolutely easier to format text than html and for people who just want to publish without having to take courses in web authoring, it certainly is a godsend.

but if you remember some of my old stuff you will remember that i used to put a lot of formatting in my presentations which was as important to me as the body text. being able to place images and format text in a certain way (to me at least) made my presentations better. textism could work like this, but as of yet it does not.

as is always the case for people like me who are old and were forced to learn the older technologies, the newer, simpler ones are a chore to adapt to. and while i’ll admit i am resistant to change, if it would just work better i’d have a lot less problems with it.

i’ve seen what some people where able to accomplish using textism, but i also saw that because the code was too buggy that a lot of formatting abilities had to be curtailed because they were causing serious problems with the site as a whole.

it’s frustrating when you try to publish a quote or a pic and the margins get all fubar’d because the coding compiled by the poster (using textism) interferes with the formatting of the entire page, so that ends of sentences or parts of images disappear under the right-side margin.

i liked it when i’d see post with some nifty formatting that enhanced and drew attention to the post. but i realized that that left a lot of people out who would have liked to do the same but couldn’t use html. it’s nice that textism levels the field for everyone.

it just doesn’t work properly as it stands.

but i think i am going to devote a little time trying to get some answers. maybe get in contact with the coders of textism and see if there is a way that the use of textism can be made more understandable to people like me, and hopefully people such as yourself as well.

even if i have to write a textile tutorial myself.

Post Modified: 08/18/05 10:20:32

R77259
5 years ago
HowardWCampbell

there’s the textile help thread, such as it is


R77295
5 years ago
cicero

Silverback!
Just say the word and I am sure a lot of serious GNNers would chip in to help with what ever is necessary.

Get a pay-per-phone number and I’ll make some long distance calls.


R77305
5 years ago
alexander

The main problem I find with textile is that it lacks any proper documentation. I often can only find how to actually use it to do something by careful examination of the one example document shown with it’s before and after. A decent faq could go along way to fixing that issue.


R77491
5 years ago
silverback

ohio

yes that was mentioned, but we actually lost the entire old server a few months ago. it just blew up. i had transferred most of my favorite posts to word docs and stored them on my drive here. i know it would have been a nice thing to have but in the end maybe 15 people would have really wanted it and we never had the time to do it properly.


R77493
5 years ago
silverback

cicero

thanks man… we are getting 4 t-shirts into the store next week along with GNN’s Ammo II DVD, so we hope that’ll provide people with a more tangible way to support us. if we get really desperate, we’ll start soliciting donations. but i hope it doesn’t come to that.

s


R77507
5 years ago
insrekshnaraoke

“we actually lost the entire old server a few months ago. it just blew up.”

What the fuck? I didn’t know it was GONE gone. So was there no backup? Did you attempt data retrieval? Anything?


R77524
5 years ago
alexander

I once did have a server explode on me. But I dont think its a conspiracy :).


R77532
5 years ago
viaossa

Ah, GNNv1, how we miss you. Your green on black edginess. Your crosshairs on Washington that IC found so disturbing. Your pads. Your Forums. Lost and now all but a shade of your former self roaming about the halls of the wayback machine, your chat sessions moaning eerily into the night of conversations and LMAO’s long forgotten.

and all is quiet... indeed.

-VO


R77538
5 years ago
sisyphus

in addition to the webarchive stuff there are a fair amount of the old gnn webpages in google’s cache


R77539
5 years ago
thefistofgod

VO

How we love you.

Tiberius – nice to see you.

Having been a lurker at the old GNN and a general chatter there as well, I will agree that it will always be missed.

“what bugs me about it is that all the hard work, not just mine, was an important body of work—i think—and it leaves me wondering if someday all the work i may do here will end up meeting the same fate.”

I share that fear, but in the same moment, I am ready to contribute for the moment – regardless of what may happen tomorrow.

Looking forward to reading more of your stuff, as always.

<3
M


R77540
5 years ago
Shogo

Heh, some good stuff on there.

Shame it’s all been lost to a drive crash. Especially considering the cheap cost of backup media.

Ç’est la vie


R77572
5 years ago
whateveryousay

gnn is dead. long live gnn


R77588
5 years ago
silverback

ins

we still have the box but have not tried to retrieve it. Paris’ site was affected as well. when we made the jump, it was already in really bad shape. if you can access it thru the archive or google cache, i’d try to find stuff that way.


R77658
5 years ago
insrekshnaraoke

Stephen, would you be willing to sell the box to someone who would try?


R77660
5 years ago
insrekshnaraoke

I forgot to add, the archive and google cache only have scattered bits and pieces — interesting to poke through, but not any sort of replacement. What I’m mainly interested in preserving is Smellheavy’s entire body of work. It really bothers me to think of all that just… vaporized.


R77667
5 years ago
TeleMagick7

I have to agree…Fennec has completely and almost single handedly trolled GNN to death. This place has virtually no good information here anymore and the speed at which you have to get what is not here is becoming a bit much.

I know there was a subtle offer to aid financially GNN from Fetch, but the offer was ignored.

Let it die. It needs a better replacement now as GNN’s editorial policies are outdated and do not deal with more cutting edge material now available out there. GNN used to be at the edge…but no more.

The only thing that interests me is “Can the aggregated material here be put on CD and sold with a search tool for Authors?”. If so…offer them for sale…then blow the place up. Argueing with the core idiots here is too tiring anyways and their views of what is going on is so primitive as to be almost funny.

Seems Fetch was always ahead of the curve…now the “regulars”, as if Fetch wasn’t…are saying what he was saying a long time ago and was lambasted by Anthony and the Moron Contribution Club…


R77669
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

i can see how you feel, tib – even though everyone seems to feel that everything here on v.2.0 is worth shit, if gnn went v.3.0 and all the work i’ve put into my blog and elsewhere just disappeared forever, i’d probably feel the same way you do about it. i like the way the old site looks too. thanks for the wayback machine archive links, V. too bad v.2.0 can’t be a slick combination of what it used to be and what it is now. i still believe in the potential of this place, and will contintue to contribute what i can. i think it’s just as much up to us to save this places ass as it is up to agents A, S, & J.


R77671
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

Agent TM7: the only thing fen suceeded in trolling to death is the forums, which i agree is a shame. still, he’s done nothing that we can’t un-do. the forums are compromised, but not sucessfully sabatoged. damn close though. let’s take it back. i suspect that simply not engaging in flame wars and troll bridges would be the best place to start.


R77687
5 years ago
silverback

ins

i don’t think you’d have to buy it. let me find out. i agree about smelly’s work but i have to say, that could have been done anytime over the past 18 months. i spent a couple of days getting my stuff off the site and it wasn’t that bad actually.

i’ll see what the deal is with the server.

s


R77689
5 years ago
thefistofgod

oh come on guys, fenn isnt THAT bad. we’ve had worse, haven’t we?

itd be awesome if you could check out what the deal is with the server, s.

gnn isn’t dead to me yet. TM7, i have to disagree.


R77692
5 years ago
Caimbeul

If I may be so bold, I’d say that GNN is going through a transformative process. I’m not even sure how I found your lame asses originally.. oh, I was at work one day at PBS and found the coka-karma article by accident while looking for more spiritually minded stuff. And from there I was hooked, mainly because of other articles being posted at the time, it had nothing to do with the CK thingy.

Anyway. I passed GNN onto a good friend after some of the PBS guys showed me images of WTC buildings collapsing via live feed footage (before it was on the networks) and I passed it on from that point on my life was completely different thanks to this website.

Anyway, as someone who has had more of a life altering impact form this website than some of you, I’d comment that what I’m witnessing is a sort of transformation process. Whereas the first GNN might have been a sort of caterpiller, worm, or other thing that eats alot and gets picked on by the idiot kids for being too colorful , i’d say this is the cacoon phaze, whereas version 3, when it hits, will most likely be what it’s supposed to be.

At least, that’s what I like to think. Long live GNN, for keeping me from being JUST ANOTHER ANGRY WHITE BOY. Not that my path was heading that way anyway, but I nearly zoned out into the background noise of college idiocy as it is.

Speaking of which, since it was the anarchistic propoganda here that ruined my chances of being well fit into ‘normal society’, any chance you FUCKERS can help me get a job somewhere where I won’t be causing too much damage to the cause? Because seriously, wasting away the OHIO way is getting me down.

Glad to see the old schoolers really are still around, I was beginning to think you guys vanished in the mist.

Later all.


R77693
5 years ago
Joe

“Speaking of which, since it was the anarchistic propoganda here that ruined my chances of being well fit into ‘normal society’, any chance you FUCKERS can help me get a job somewhere where I won’t be causing too much damage to the cause?”

lol.. hell yeah. I wonder how many lives GNN has ruined.. GNN and say, Ishmael & Chomsky should be illegal.


R77696
5 years ago
silverback

hey caimbeul.


R77702
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

Marla – no, he isn’t to me. but to others he is. i’m pretty tolerant and hard to offend.

yes Caimbeul/Joe, the truth often ruins our chances of fitting in with and existing as part of the lie. i know exactly how you feel. it sure isn’t easy, but at least it’s genuine, and right


R77708
5 years ago
revolutionary

ShiftShapers, are you serious??? So now that you claim that fennec “ruined” the forums, you’ll tell me that Fetch(aka TeleMagiK7, your friend up here, in case you haven’t noticed), neverknwo, killuminati, areola, IsraelForever and company are great contributors to it…give me a break. It really annoys me because you clearly have no knowledge of fennec’s countless contributions to the site in the form of articles, blogs and posts in the forum.

On edit: if you want to be taken seriously by GNNers I would not make it a habit to agree with the Fetch.

Post Modified: 08/20/05 22:10:41

R77722
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

i never agreed with the Fetch, did i? nor did i claim anything. i did, however, agree with a small point. if i am mistaken, i believe it is my right to be. i’m not as involved in the forum flame wars as many here are, so it might be understandable if i don’t understand the entire situation adequately enough for you. and who said i have any friends LOL i never said fennec isn’t a good contributor at times. but the behavior in the forums was inexcusable, be it fetch’s or fennec’s or anyone else engaging in some of the shit-talking i’ve read in there. and that’s all it was. name-calling, plain and simple. combative polemics. i wish to point no more fingers. people know who they are. but the whole issue has just gotten way out of hand. to some it is funny and fun but to others it is extremely offensive and discouraging. and please don’t put words in my mouth, or twist what i do say. it’s not nice.


R77723
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

i just said that i agree that it’s sad that the whole conflict between certain users compromised the integrity of the forums for so many people. that doesn’t mean i’m saying it’s fens fault, just others reactions to his antics, as well as a few others.

on edit: it’s great to agree to disagree. it’s when people endlessly go in circles insulting one another with the harshest of explicit content that it gets redundant and compromising. we should try to be more constructive and mutual with our criticism.

Post Modified: 08/21/05 00:36:20

R77725
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

i’m just extremely tired of the whole “j00” thing – i know no one wants me to bring that up. so please, no one respond to this particular comment. suffice it to say that i’ve made my position sufficiently known and am tired of the conspiracy crap. no i’m not in on it. don’t be a hater LOL


R77733
5 years ago
revolutionary

Agent TM7: the only thing fen suceeded in trolling to death is the forums, which i agree is a shame. still, he’s done nothing that we can’t un-do. the forums are compromised, but not sucessfully sabatoged. damn close though. let’s take it back. i suspect that simply not engaging in flame wars and troll bridges would be the best place to start.

It’s your words, dude, I am not twisting anything.

Post Modified: 08/21/05 04:40:13

R77768
5 years ago
Wedge

well you may be right but rather than just state how much the new site sux…

is there a solution?

personally i just miss the look of the old site and the forums :/ there were alot of complaints about the site being slow – and at time it wouldn’t load at all.

with v2 the blogging thing is pretty cool but if they changed back to html all the blogs would be lost?


R77781
5 years ago
ShiftShapers

exactly, rev, i agreed that it’s a shame that people feel the forums have been trolled to death. it could be the fuking tooth fariys fault for all i care. not who’s to blame that i care about, just the fact that many people no longer come here because of the wars. that’s all.

wedge – i know very little about computers and web-page authorship, and despite it’s bugs, i’ve picked up textile very easily and am able to do things i like with it. is html hard? i know nothing of it. i’d really hate to loose the work i’ve put into this place, despite how useless many people think it is. i dunno


R97172
4 years ago
neverknwo

R405519
1 day ago
nothingshithead

lol…irony

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