Monday, November 16, 2009

911 Was An Inside Job

911 Was An Inside Job

Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:07:58 -0500
R215555
3 years ago
anthony

Agreed it was a whitewash, but “whitewash” doesn’t = “inside job.”


R215556
3 years ago
voice

Agreed with the agreement that it was a whitewash, but “whitewash” doesn’t = “inside job


R215557
3 years ago
Futuro2076

Complicit after the fact… at the very least(that usually implies co-conspiracy).

Who decides that it is in the publics interest to whitewash? The Army, the Bushes/Cheneys, Teh Illuminiggaz, The Republicans, Hilary… who?

Amerikkka, keep sleeping… but be warned… you’ll wake up in the dark ages.

With fancy SUVs on empty and diabetes riddled obese youth, a Nazi police state… and creationism as your science… real impressive… can’t wait!


R215558
3 years ago
ill_logik

i love how bush wanted kissenger to be the head of the commision at first. i swear these fuckers just slap each other on the back laughing at us.

Agreed it was a whitewash, but “whitewash” doesn’t = “inside job.”

it doesn’t mean it’s not an inside job either, but if it was a sham what are they trying to hide?

put option who’s plottin? history’s repeatin but it seems we’ve forgotten


R215559
3 years ago
Shogo

it doesn’t mean it’s not an inside job either

Your logic is ill. That’s like saying it doesn’t mean that space aliens didn’t do it.


R215560
3 years ago
ill_logik

who benefits? the shrub gang. the gubernment.

dude i’m sick of the pointless debates with you and your ad hom (really did i ever say anything to you? you are the master of the flame, you’re probably the poster who brings everything down to personal attacks the most on this site). regardless of weither it was MIHOP LIHOP or blowback if you don’t see the fascist creep coming, and if you’re not doing anything but dropping shit about space aliens (really now stop being a knob), then you’re a waste of skin.


R215561
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Agreed it was a whitewash, but whitewash doesn’t = inside job.

Very suspicious.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 10:42:08

R215562
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Shogo, was your latest blog supposed to convince people it wasn’t an inside job?


R215566
3 years ago
truthcansuck

Yeah, Shogo… bringing logic into this makes you a stupid-head…


R215568
3 years ago
gaanjah_mama

VOTE for this blog!!!

anyways…

*911 Was An Inside Job*

you know what they say about sychronicity…

Yesterday I got this in an email from one of my parents’ only: ‘friends who email’.

Most of my parents’ friends are like my parents; they don’t know how to turn the computer on… let alone adjust the clock on it.

so anyways, i get this email [it contained an attachment which I don’t know how to imbed here – so here’s the google search results] today called : twintowersstory

this, remember, is from a 70-something friend of my parents…

and the text of the email reads:

Startling facts!!!! Are we supposed to believe this???

I haven’t responded yet…

Post Modified: 09/13/06 11:34:17

R215569
3 years ago
IsraelForever2

Anthony Agreed it was a whitewash, but “whitewash” doesn’t = “inside job.”

Honest dude, your attempts to sound middle of the road and all reasonable and reconcillable is starting to make you sound a little …. how shall I put it. Obnoxious, annoying.

You are not a 911 denier, so why try and reconcile with lunatic?


R215574
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

The reason why so many people have issues with the official 9/11 story isn’t because they have a psychological need for conspiracy theories, it is simply because the official 9/11 story is full of holes.


R215575
3 years ago
gaanjah_mama

IF2

I think that those of use whom you brand as not a 911 denier are just starting to investigate this… it takes a bit of history occurring to enable a point of perspective…

ironically, for me, this personal investigation has been spurred, largely, by what I am beginning to perceive as a lack of investigation on the part of ‘officials’.

On an unrelated note… have you seen Team America? I watched it (not in a riveted kindof way) last night and I’m curious about what people think of it.

... and at first glance (well, not really) – my opinion: controlled demolition for sure.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 11:36:19

R215580
3 years ago
Shogo

it is simply because the official 9/11 story is full of holes.

There are some holes, they just aren’t pertaining to how the towers collapsed, what hit the Pentagon, and the Death Star hovering over Manhattan.


R215582
3 years ago
ill_logik

ok forget the collapse, and anytime someone brings it up just let the troofers talk amongst themselves.

start some put option threads instead.


R215584
3 years ago
IsraelForever2

The reason why so many people have issues with the official 9/11 story isn’t because they have a psychological need for conspiracy theories, it is simply because the official 9/11 story is full of holes.

No, wrong, it is because they want to perpatrate a hoax agianst the Bush Administration, an Administration which they don’t like for political reasons. The science is an after thought.


R215586
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R215587
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

3 buildings collapsing into dust, put options on United and American airlines, Lucky Larry Silverstein, evidence of thermate, steel of WTC buildings whisked away, the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11


R215588
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Get out of your box IF2


R215591
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

9/11 Commission Report did not mention building 7


R215592
3 years ago
Shogo

3 buildings collapsing into dust

Pretty big dust!

Lucky Larry Silverstein

Considering the space is empty and he’s no longer collecting rent, I fail to see how he’s lucky.

evidence of thermate

Wrong.


R215595
3 years ago
gaanjah_mama

they want to perpatrate a hoax agianst the Bush Administration

what an interesting context in which to view a hoax


R215596
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Pretty big dust

Where is the concrete?


R215599
3 years ago
senssensibilityr

who benefits? the shrub gang. the gubernment

GLOBAL WARMING IS AN ICE-CREAM SELLER CONSPIRACY!!! TEH ICE CREAM MAN GETS MORE MONEY WHEN IT’S HOTT OUTSIDE!!! WHO BENEFITS???

GLOBAL WARMING = INSIDE JOB!!!


R215603
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Larry “Lucky Larry” Silverstein
By lifeforce@rockymountains.net
Link

You’ve got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million

Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership.

Mr. Silverstein’s first order of business as the new owner was to change the company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin’s cousin, Wirt Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines — two key players in the 9/11 attacks.

The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.

Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex, controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the airport from which they originated.

Another little “coincidence” — Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7 Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against “terrorist attacks”.

Following the attacks, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two — in Silverstein’s view — separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr. Silverstein $4.6 Billion — a princely return on a relatively paltry investment of $124 million.

There’s more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center — subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority — has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?

The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.

The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!

In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely.

WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed — exactly in the manner of the Twin Towers.

How could this have happened? Mr. Silverstein gave the world the answer when he slipped up during a PBS television interview a year later, on 9/11/2002:

“I remember getting a call from the…er…fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”

As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, “Pull” is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.

One thing is for sure, the decision to ‘pull’ WTC 7 would have delighted many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history — including Enron and WorldCom — were stored in the offices of some of the building’s tenants:

US Secret Service
NSA
CIA
IRS
BATF
SEC
NAIC Securities
Salomon Smith Barney
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
Federal Home Loan Bank

The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency’s major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ...“Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive,” said Max Berger of New York’s Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. “This is a disaster for these cases.”

Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.

Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service’s largest field office with more than 200 employees. “All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building,” according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.

What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11.

Incidentally, it’s worth noting that one of Lucky Larry’s closest friends — a person with whom it’s said he speaks almost daily by phone — is none other than former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

More on that cozy little relationship later.


R215607
3 years ago
senssensibilityr

the 9/11 inside job attacks were done because it would’ve cost too much to demolish the towers.

Wait…wouldn’t that mean that someone would make money if they were deassmbled? I thought the evil baddies only cared about money, so wouldn’t they be glad to deassemble the towers?

Heh…gotta love nutjob logic.


R215610
3 years ago
gaanjah_mama

Wait…wouldn’t that mean that someone would make money if they were deassmbled?

okay…

insurance companies paid who for the buildings?

forgive me, I’m new to this ‘conspiracy theory’

Post Modified: 09/13/06 12:31:17

R215621
3 years ago
FloydAnderson


Building 7 was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report
Search it with a pdf text finder.

“A society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts, who refuse to believe that their government and their media will routinely lie to them and fabricate a reality contrary to verifiable facts, is a society that chooses and deserves the Police State Dictatorship it’s going to get.”
-Ian Williams Goddard


R215624
3 years ago
gaanjah_mama

floyd, the imbedded clip you just posted is part of the video I received by email but cannot imbed in this thread… see my post(s) above

and yes, my ‘newbie9/11analysis’ = controlled demolition


R215628
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R215632
3 years ago
Shogo

One thing is for sure, the decision to ‘pull’ WTC 7

Good lord you’re a tool.


R215633
3 years ago
Shogo

A society whose citizens refuse to see and investigate the facts

Simply believing whatever you read on the internets isn’t “investigating”, champ.


R215635
3 years ago
senssensibilityr

heh, I gotta be honest, the only thing funnier than the garbage that floydie is posting is the fact that he honestly believes it and thinks we’re gonna have a police state unless everyone else does too.


R215637
3 years ago
gaanjah_mama

Here it is :

alright – you are reposting what I post…

or it’s more of that danged syncronicty stuff

Post Modified: 09/13/06 13:19:30

R215641
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R215648
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R215649
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R215650
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R215652
3 years ago
Shogo

Q: What’s the difference between Floyd and a douchebag?

A: The douchebag serves a purpose.


R215658
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Uh oh, you’re violating a GNN policy


R215660
3 years ago
truthcansuck

I just wanna know who got rich that day…


R215661
3 years ago
senssensibilityr

yeah floyd, posting those pictures is really helping teh cause.

Why aren’t you doing something useful for teh movement (!) and harassing “left-wing gatekeepers” like Anthony?


R215662
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Harassing Anthony doesn’t seem useful. He’s not trying to attack people like you and Shogo are.


R215668
3 years ago
bodo

Seems like GNN is being overrun by idiots with nothing better to do than ridicule people and their ideas.


R215672
3 years ago
bodo

Haven’t you people noticed that like every single discussion on 9/11 turns into a shit throwing contest? Is it deliberate or is it incidental? Is is constructive or is it just mental? Is it considerate? Not even a little bit.

The worst part is, people here know it takes discussion nowhere, yet they get sucked in every time.


R215676
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Clip from Hijacking Catastrophe: 9/11, Fear and the Selling of American Empire

Neo-Cons and PNAC


R215678
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

RBN Radio
Non-Random Thoughts with Jim Fetzer
Interview With Structural Engineer Charles Pegelow
Construction of the WTC Buildings and How They Were Taken Down
8/24/2006

Link


R215679
3 years ago
Shogo

Uh oh, you’re violating a GNN policy

I’m also violating your mom.


R215680
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

BYU Professor Steven Jones Lecture
9/11 Revisited: Scientific & Ethical Questions
Utah Valley State College
2/1/2006

Video Link
Audio Link

Post Modified: 09/13/06 14:24:39

R215681
3 years ago
Shogo

He’s not trying to attack people like you and Shogo are.

Spare me the martyr routine Floyd. The demolitions crap is stupid, and if you can’t handle being reminded of that fact then you’re a total wuss.


R215682
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Hannity & Colmes
Interview with Scholars for 9/11 Truth Professor James Fetzer
6/22/2006

Link


R215684
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Here is Osama bin Laden’s Wanted page on the FBI’s website. No mention of the 9/11 attacks.

So, Ed Haas called them up and asked why

“On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” I asked, “How does that work?” Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11.”

It shouldn’t take long before the full meaning of these FBI statements start to prick your brain and raise your blood pressure. If you think the way I think, in quick order you will be wrestling with a barrage of very powerful questions that must be answered. First and foremost, if the U.S. government does not have enough hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan to “smoke him out of his cave?” The federal government claims to have invaded Afghanistan to “root out” Bin Laden and the Taliban. Through the talking heads in the mainstream media, the Bush Administration told the American people that Usama Bin Laden was Public Enemy Number One and responsible for the deaths of nearly 3000 people on September 11, 2001. Yet nearly five years later, the FBI says that it has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”


R215687
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

C-SPAN – American Perspectives:
Theories about September 11th
American Scholars Symposium
National Education & Reasearch Conference
Los Angeles
6/24/2006-6/25/2006

Link

Post Modified: 09/13/06 14:31:51

R215688
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein said he gave the order to “pull” Building 7.

Link


R215689
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

On 9/9/2005 Mr. Dara McQuillan, a spokesman for Silverstein Properties, issued the following statement on this issue:

“Seven World Trade Center collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001, after burning for seven hours. There were no casualties, thanks to the heroism of the Fire Department and the work of Silverstein Properties employees who evacuated tenants from the building. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) conducted a thorough investigation of the collapse of all the World Trade Center buildings. The FEMA report concluded that the collapse of Seven World Trade Center was a direct result of fires triggered by debris from the collapse of WTC Tower 1. In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building. Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.”

Link


R215690
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

OK, so fire caused the collapse?

The building collapsed into its footprint, yet the damage was minor and on one side of the building. No plane hit this building, only debris.


R215692
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R215693
3 years ago
FloydAnderson


WTC Building 7
47 floors
570 feet in height
1,868,000 s.f.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 14:39:00

R215694
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Scholars for 9/11 Truth
Exposing Falsehoods and Revealing Truths

http://www.st911.org/


R215696
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Crossing the Rubicon
Simplifying the Case Against Dick Cheney
by Michael Kane
From the Wilderness Publications
1/18/2005

Link


R215697
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

American Scholars Symposium:
9/11 & the Neo-Con Agenda
6/24 – 6/25/2006
National Education and Research Conference
Los Angeles

http://www.americanscholarssymposium.org/


R215699
3 years ago
Shogo

The building collapsed into its footprint

No it didn’t.

But please do keep repeating it as though it were fact. That’s what a real 911 Truther™ does!


R215702
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R215703
3 years ago
Shogo

WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein said he gave the order to “pull” Building 7.

Liar.

The lies of the 911 Truth™ “movement” are legion.


R215706
3 years ago
Shogo

“Wake up” in 911 Truth™-speak means “believe everything you read on conspiracy nutter websites”.


R215708
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Shogo, collapsed into its footprint meaning falling straight down. Yes, some debris went outside of the footprint of the building.

Small fires on one side of a steel structure would not cause a vertical collapse.


R215711
3 years ago
Shogo

Yes, some debris went outside of the footprint of the building.

“Some”? Gimme a break – that slag pile is all over the place. So lie #1 is clear. The truth is that the building did not fall into its footprint.

Lie #2, WTCs “small fires” is another thoroughly debunked conspiracy nutter claim.

Don’t be a parrot, Floyd. Use your brains.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 14:54:10

R215712
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R215714
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

that slag pile is all over the place

Oh Jesus, I’m pointing out that it collapsed vertically and only contained small fires.


R215715
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Here is some corporate media spin:

9/11 Conspiracy Theorists Multiply:
Many Americans Suspect U.S. Government Involvement or Complicity
by Michael Powell
Washington Post
9/8/2006

Link


R215718
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Lie #2, WTCs small fires is another thoroughly debunked conspiracy nutter claim

looks like small fires to me

Post Modified: 09/13/06 15:06:51

R215723
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Shogo, here is video footage of Silverstein saying he gave the order to pull WTC 7. If I am a liar because I say he gave the order to “pull” Building 7, then War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, and Ignorance Is Strength.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 15:14:24

R215728
3 years ago
Kcoztips

As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, “Pull” is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.

I know a lot about construction jargon and PULL THE BUILDING means just that. Destroy it, tear it down, demolish it… ect. It has the same meaning as PULL the scaffolding= tear down the scaffolding. PULL the wall= tear down the wall.

NOW, people are saying Silverstein meant to say pull the firemen from the building. That term is referred as PULL the CREW. To say Silverstein did not know construction lingo is wrong or he would have not use the word PULL. He would have said “Get your people out of there” if he wanted the fire crew removed and was unfamiliar with construction terms.
Being that he is the commercial real estate business he would be familiar with construction lingo.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 15:19:44

R215730
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Check it out. Steven Jones’ paper is off the BYU site.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=steven+jones&btnG=Google+Search


R215736
3 years ago
Shogo

looks like small fires to me

Really?

You can even watch it on video.


R215737
3 years ago
Shogo

I know a lot about construction jargon and PULL THE BUILDING means just that. Destroy it, tear it down, demolish it

Ahem:

We know that the term ‘pull it’ means to bring the building down by means of explosives because in the same documentary a cleanup worker (in December 2001) refers to the demolition of WTC Building 6 when he says, “...we’re getting ready to pull the building six.” – http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html

There’s an immediate issue with this, though, because building 6 was not demolished with explosives. Joël v.d. Reijden reported an ImplosionWorld comment that describes what “pulled”, in the WTC6 context, actually meant:

Conventionally, “pull a building” can mean to pre-burn holes in steel beams near the top floor and affix long cables to heavy machinery, which then backs up and causes the structure to lean off its center of gravity and eventually collapse. But this is only possible with buildings about 6-7 stories or smaller. This activity was performed to bring down WTC 6 (Customs) after 9/11 because of the danger in demolishing conventionally.”

So here “pull” isn’t as much slang, as a literal description of the final part of the process. Which doesn’t sound like something that matches up with WTC7.

Read more here.


R215739
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Here is what Silverstein said in the interview:

“I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire. I said ‘you know we’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it,’ and they made that decision to pull it, and we watched the building collapse.”


R215740
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Shogo, there are no fires in either one of those photos, and your video link doesn’t seem to work.


R215741
3 years ago
Shogo

If I am a liar because I say he gave the order to “pull” Building 7

You are a liar because you are pretending that his usage of the word “pull” refers to explosive demolitions.

You don’t know if he meant pull the firefighters, pull the plug, etc.

Not to mention the tremendous logical problem of your interpretation, which is that you’re arguing that he’s confessing to defrauding his insurance company on national television.


R215742
3 years ago
Shogo

Shogo, there are no fires in either one of those photos

I guess you don’t see all the smoke, eh? Where do you think the smoke is coming from? The smoke fairy?

Post Modified: 09/13/06 15:31:39

R215744
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Shogo, you keep sourcing 911myths.com. Source something else.


R215745
3 years ago
Shogo

maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it,’ and they made that decision to pull it

Pull the firefighting operation?

When did the explosives get planted in the building fucknuts? How did not one of the employees in the building notice them?

You’re so stupid it literally hurts my head.


R215747
3 years ago
Shogo

Shogo, you keep sourcing 911myths.com. Source something else.

911myths.com lists every source for their information clearly, right in the text, so that you can look for yourself.

It wouldn’t matter what I sourced, because you’ve got conspiracynutter.com top sekrit inf03z.

Tool.


R215749
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Mr. Silverstein’s first order of business as the new owner was to change the company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin’s cousin, Wirt Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines — two key players in the 9/11 attacks.
Source

When did the explosives get planted in the building fucknuts

Before 9/11

Post Modified: 09/13/06 15:34:40

R215751
3 years ago
Shogo

George W. Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors

Well that’s clear proof!

Before 9/11

Huh, and none of the employees wondered what all that det cord was doing all over the building?

Seriously Floyd, you’re an idiot. A maroon. A bonehead. A retard. Brain-dead. Stupid.

You’ll believe anything you read on the internet provided it’s labeled as “secret info”.


R215752
3 years ago
Kcoztips

Shogo PULL = start the process of

PULL THE WALL is the order to take down that wall and it will take several hours to do it.

PULL THE BUILDING is the order to take down that building and it SHOULD take two weeks to do it with explosives, longer with a wrecking ball and months by hand.


R215755
3 years ago
Shogo

PULL THE BUILDING is the order to take down that building

To repeat:

Conventionally, “pull a building” can mean to pre-burn holes in steel beams near the top floor and affix long cables to heavy machinery, which then backs up and causes the structure to lean off its center of gravity and eventually collapse. But this is only possible with buildings about 6-7 stories or smaller. This activity was performed to bring down WTC 6 (Customs) after 9/11 because of the danger in demolishing conventionally.”


R215756
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

If you control the security company protecting a building and you desire to plant explosives throughout that building’s structure, I would think you would just have guys come in at night, you tell the security guards that these guys have access to do some structural improvements. The guard isn’t suspicious and the people working in the building are oblivious to the operation.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 15:43:32

R215757
3 years ago
Snark

Uh, feel free to tell me to go fuck myself, but what exactly is the point of this thread? It doesn’t even make a pretense of introducing something new or mentioning a fact. It’s just a picture of Alex Jones talking into a bullhorn, along with some basic 9/11 boilerplate. Is this telling anybody anything they wouldn’t have already known from the five other active 9/11 threads?

Voted 1 for redundancy, pointlessness, and Alex Jones content.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 15:43:51

R215760
3 years ago
Shogo

I would think

Yes, but we’ve already established that you’re a total dumbass.

Wiring a building for demolitions takes days, it’s not done overnight.

You need to base your conclusions on something other than Bruce Willis movies.


R215761
3 years ago
Shogo

Also, Marvin Bush sitting on the board of directors, assuming that’s true, doesn’t mean that you “control” the security company. It also doesn’t mean that you can cast a spell of invisibility over all the explosives charges and the detcord connecting them all together.


R215762
3 years ago
Shogo

Oh, snap, didn’t realize this was a blog.

Let’s add another 1 to the vote tally…


R215763
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Wiring a building for demolitions takes days, it’s not done overnight

I didn’t say it was done in one night.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 15:50:00

R215764
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Is this telling anybody anything they wouldn’t have already known from the five other active 9/11 threads

YES


R215765
3 years ago
Snark

snort

What would that be, floyd? That Alex Jones is totally the man?

Post Modified: 09/13/06 15:52:35

R215767
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Are there any head-butting soccer players in any of those other threads?


R215769
3 years ago
truthcansuck

Floyd does have a point…


R215770
3 years ago
Snark

fzzt.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 16:00:20

R215772
3 years ago
Snark

Are there any head-butting soccer players in any of those other threads?

:D True.

6 HIT!


R215775
3 years ago
tango

Floyd does have a point

What point would that be Troof?

Here’s three current threads that don’t have “head-butting soccer players” or any other likeminded major disruptions.

Chavez on 9/11
9/11: Don’t Believe the Witnesses
9-11: The Trouble with ‘Pop’ Science

Although you will notice Floyd spamming the shit out of Shogo’s blog here.

So, it seems that Snark’s question was very legitimate, as this blog does not seem to offer any new information, ‘cept that AJ has a shitty wardrobe.

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EDIT: Fuck Snark, I type that whole fucking thing out, and you ruin it will my very favorite .gif!?

Damn You!

:D

Post Modified: 09/13/06 16:05:03


R215777
3 years ago
truthcansuck

Has anyone ever even asked any of the survivors who worked there if they remember any people doing work that entailed rewiring/elevator shaft maitanance and/or repair work that would entail working between interior walls and/or open crawl-space between floors in the weeks preceeding 9-11?

Or is that not what investigators do?


R215779
3 years ago
tango

nm….

Post Modified: 09/13/06 16:03:33

R215780
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R215781
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Has anyone ever even asked any of the survivors who worked there if they remember any people doing work that entailed rewiring/elevator shaft maitanance and/or repair work that would entail working between interior walls and/or open crawl-space between floors in the weeks preceeding 9-11

good question

and what exactly is possible, using current building demolition technology…or 2001 technology?

Post Modified: 09/13/06 16:09:47

R215782
3 years ago
ExcuseMySarcasm

One does wonder how all the IT guys, plumbers, electricians, and building workers would have missed the miles of detonation cord, relays, signal delay devices, and the probably 7-8 tons of five-pound shaped explosive charges required to do the job.

They’re in on it!


R215784
3 years ago
Snark

Hey, when a thread doesn’t have any headbutting soccer players, it needs some.

If Rich were around, he might have some further suggestions on what this thread might need…it needs more of something, I just can’t think of what…


R215787
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

It definitely needs this


R215791
3 years ago
senssensibilityr

http://www.loosechange911.com/

dude, posting a link to Loose Change, possibly the biggest joke to pose as a documentary ever, equals instant toolbag.


R215793
3 years ago
senssensibilityr

which actually brings up a question: What is a better joke-u-mentary, Loose Change or Spinal Tap?


R215794
3 years ago
Suitcaseman

I love to get these anti-conspiracy theory people going, it doesn’t take much, AJ with his bullhorn does the trick.


R215795
3 years ago
Suitcaseman

Repeat after AJ, 911 Was An Inside Job!


R215796
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

It’s becoming a hobby of mine.


R215798
3 years ago
Suitcaseman

Or should we call them Defenders of the Official Story?


R215799
3 years ago
Suitcaseman

Building 7 just got tired of standing, a little too much commotion that day.


R215801
3 years ago
senssensibilityr

dude, toolbagman, you think a missile hit the Pentagon. Don’t you knwo that that’s the theory the CIA put out to see how stupid the 9/11 twoof movement really is? Nice job buying into the CIA, Mr. Gullible.


R215803
3 years ago
ExcuseMySarcasm

Floyd, you look mother fuckin’ ill in that suit.


R215804
3 years ago
truthcansuck

That picture is it’s own brand-new four letter word…

I mean… damn…


R215806
3 years ago
ExcuseMySarcasm

It’s on Floyd’s photobucket account.

Ugh.


R215807
3 years ago
Snark

Or should we call them Defenders of the Official Story?

Ah, yes, the famous “if you’re not with us you’re with the official story” bullshit.

Suitcaseman, didn’t you say you were a lawyer or something? How?

Post Modified: 09/13/06 16:40:46

R215809
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Floyd, you look mother fuckin’ ill in that suit.

Oh, thanks. My mom doesn’t like it though.


R215817
3 years ago
senssensibilityr

trust me, floydie, everyone on this thread knwos what your mom likes.


R215821
3 years ago
Shogo

didn’t you say you were a lawyer or something

An internet lawyer, perhaps.


R215823
3 years ago
senssensibilityr

a pleasant reminder that anyone can be anyone they want to on teh internets, eh?


R215827
3 years ago
ExcuseMySarcasm

Attorney-at-lol, eh?


R215866
3 years ago
Chickenma1

One does wonder how all the IT guys, plumbers, electricians, and building workers would have missed the miles of detonation cord, relays, signal delay devices, and the probably 7-8 tons of five-pound shaped explosive charges required to do the job.

Where do you get the assumption that that’s what it would have taken?


R215868
3 years ago
ExcuseMySarcasm

From our massive arm-chair demolitions expertise.


R215869
3 years ago
IsraelForever2

It is so hard to get info on 911. Every time you google anything, 99 out of 100 sites are conspiracy sites, but unfortunately they will not tell you that. You have to waste your time reading until you hit something like “the offical story” before you realize, they just took 30 seconds of your life.

At least now I know I can at least go to Popular Mechanics and feel safe, that no-one is going to question the “offical story”.


R215932
3 years ago
Kcoztips

Shogo sez Conventionally, “pull a building” can mean to pre-burn holes in steel beams near the top floor and affix long cables to heavy machinery, which then backs up and causes the structure to lean off its center of gravity and eventually collapse.

I agree, pulling a building is no simple task and one that is not easily hidden from public eyes. It is messy as well, tearing out walls to stretch cables from corners to the center of the structure… ect. BUT, that is also an old technology and I have no clue what is available now days. The companies who are involved with this type of demolition are not going to give away their secrets to today’s demolition process because of the competitive nature of business.


R215984
3 years ago
Suitcaseman

Remember the blog, it was about how people have come to understand that the 911 Commission report is incomplete, because it did not include certain events, such as the collapse of Building 7, and certain evidence, such as the testimony of many firepeople and emergency witnesses, and about how difficult it was to even get an investigation of 911, well this is more in line with what the blog was about.

Five Years On, 9/11 Truth Movement Reaches Critical Mass

September 11 Press Release
from 911truth.org

Escalating mainstream mistrust of “official 9/11 story” driven by important new films, books and activist campaigns; promises new openings for insurgent candidacies and radical reform initiatives.

September 11, 2006 (PRWEB) — The year leading up to the fifth anniversary of the September 11 attacks has been marked by an unprecedented upsurge in public mistrust of the official story portrayed in the 9/11 Commission Report. Respected national polling firms Zogby and Scripps Howard have shown that less than half the public believes in the conclusions or integrity of the 9/11 Commission, and 36% of Americans now think the administration was actively complicit in the attacks to advance its preplanned Mideast war agenda.

This outburst of popular skepticism has come in spite of five years of lockstep support for the official 9/11 narrative by the national press, broadcast media, and both major political parties. The mounting distrust spans the political, religious and ethnic spectrums, and has been largely driven by compelling new films, books, whistleblower reports, and escalating grassroots activism. Collectively these resources and constituencies not only offer the country hope for a fresh and truly honest 9/11 probe, but also a potent new base for radical political reform.

Activating the Newly Awakened

To mobilize the 70+ million voting age 9/11 skeptics identified by Zogby, 911truth.org has organized “Politics 911,” a national effort to identify congressional candidates who would demand an honorable new 9/11 inquiry and then help generate support for their election. This campaign has started polling candidates nationwide and is currently recruiting grassroots poll volunteers at http://www.911truthgroups.org/911Truth. Early progress includes 9/11 truth advocate Dr. Robert Bowman’s lopsided Democratic primary victory on September 5th in Florida’s 15th Congressional District. Mavereick Ohio Democrat Rep. Dennis Kucinich has also repeatedly promised at least new 9/11 hearings if his party retakes the House, but there are also courageous GOP, Green and Libertarian hopefuls demanding 9/11 truth in their campaigns.

Majoritarian Education

National 9/11 poll analyses indicate that among citizens who know the most basic facts about September 11 anomalies (e.g., the unexplained WTC 7 collapse, the Pentagon’s six coincidental aerial war games, the 23 specific advance warnings from 11 foreign governments, etc.), four out of five support an independent re-investigation. This strongly suggests that simply continuing to publicize the most elemental facts and unanswered questions could swiftly build an irresistible public outcry for a new inquiry.

New and Old Tools for Enlightenment

The truth movement is currently blessed with an extraordinary array of new films and books that deconstruct the official story with meticulous research, passion and clarity. Among the latest crop, 911truth.org particularly recommends:

9/11: Press for Truth — a stunning new documentary based on Paul Thompson’s “Terror Timeline” and the story of the “Jersey Girls” who lobbied the 9/11 Commission into existence and still feel betrayed by the cover-up it spawned. (Full film available free online for several days at http://www.mediachannel.org/)

9/11 and American Empire: American Intellectuals Speak Out and Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action by Dr. David Ray Griffin et al. that smartly introduce the 9/11 truth conversation to influential new constituencies.

Towers of Deception — The Media Cover-up of 9-11 by Canadian media scholar Barrie Zwicker that thoroughly dissects corporate media complicity in the suppression of inconvenient 9/11 truths.

There are many more powerful works now available at 911truth.org and more are on the way. In the meantime, it is useful to remember some of the most basic questions that the corporate media still refuse to ask and a new 9/11 inquiry must confront

— Why do 70% of the victim families’ questions remain unanswered to this day, questions that the Commission initially promised would become the investigation’s “road map”?

—Why has the FBI gone to such lengths to cover up its passive unto hostile response to terrorist investigations prior to September 11? Why did it promote the officials who quashed these investigations while gagging agents who claim to have vital information the public still needs to know?

—Why did the 9/11 Commission steer its investigation away from virtually indisputable evidence for government complicity in the 9/11 attacks? And why hasn’t the corporate media followed up on this story?

—Why were dozens of intelligence experts “turned away, silenced or censored” by the 9/11 Commission, according to the National Security Whistleblowers Association, so that not a single meaningful word from any of their testimony made it into the final report?

—Who ordered the half dozen aerial war games that were going on during the 9/11 attacks? Who commanded and controlled them, and why has the media never questioned this bizarre coincidence?

—Why has the 9/11 Commission sealed its private hearing and interview records until January 2009? How can anyone assess its integrity or performance without any of this material?

—Why were NORAD officials permitted to repeatedly lie about our military response that morning without ever facing reprimand or censure, let alone courts martial?

911truth.org executive director, Janice Matthews thoughtfully welcomes the new stage the movement has reached. “The forces aligned against 9/11 truth have moved in recent months from disregard and ridicule to mass media damage control and openly hostile attacks. While this is a certain sign of progress, citizens should be alert to the ubiquitous strawman tactics now employed by official story flacks to defame our movement and re-marginalize 9/11 truth. Specifically, this involves choosing the most ludicrous hypotheses ever uttered and trying to tar the entire 9/11 movement with their absurdities. These include bizarre propositions known as the no-plane, hologram, and pod theories among others, which the mainstream movement considers as preposterous as do its disingenuous foes, who rationally cower at commonsensical questions like those above.

“Overall, however, the real message of 9/11 truth has now reached a critical mass of citizens, and ruthless defamation tactics may prolong the ‘media controversy’ but are ultimately doomed to fail. Truth has an inherent strange attractor force that cannot be dispelled, not by cynical propaganda nor overwhelming media power. It is in that lust for truth and justice that our democracy once began, and 9/11 truth now offers Americans the chance to feel that thrill again.”

Post Modified: 09/13/06 20:12:14

R216000
3 years ago
nada

where is the soccer headbutting that puts mc hammer in the video?


R216073
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

I don’t know, but I send this one out to senselessinability, shogo, and IF2!

It is so hard to get info on 911. Every time you google anything, 99 out of 100 sites are conspiracy sites, but unfortunately they will not tell you that. You have to waste your time reading until you hit something like “the offical story” before you realize, they just took 30 seconds of your life.

At least now I know I can at least go to Popular Mechanics and feel safe, that no-one is going to question the offical story.

Izzy just read the panic mode memo. It’s improved his grammar.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 20:32:01

R216076
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R216077
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R216078
3 years ago
ExcuseMySarcasm


R216079
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R216080
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R216085
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Post Modified: 09/13/06 20:50:39

R216087
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R216089
3 years ago
BingoTheClowno

Shogo, Snark, Izzy, Sennsibitard, ExuseMyTardasm why are you reading 911 conspiracies threads if you don’t believe a word in them? What attracts you to them? Why are you wasting your precious energies in them?


R216091
3 years ago
Shogo

To piss you off.


R216092
3 years ago
ExcuseMySarcasm

No ones reading them, silly.


R216098
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

This symbolizes the 9/11 Anti-Truth Movement.


R216101
3 years ago
BingoTheClowno

No ones reading them, silly.

The longest thread on this site is about 911, retard.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 21:07:00

R216102
3 years ago
Snark

Why are you wasting your precious energies in them?

Because I’m bored and looking for something to distract me a little bit from this heinous fucking grant proposal I’m working on. So I argue with people. The righteous indignation and frothy rebuttals are entertaining. Especially from you.


R216104
3 years ago
BingoTheClowno

Yeah, your “common sense” has returned to you?


R216110
3 years ago
truthcansuck

The longest thread on this site is about 911, retard.

And if you subtract the pages of “You’re a fag!” “No, YOU’RE A fag!” “Fag infinity PWNED!!!“ how long is the thread?


R216118
3 years ago
BingoTheClowno

And if you subtract the pages of “You’re a fag!” “No, YOU’RE A fag!” “Fag infinity PWNED!!!” how long is the thread?

How about if you add the thoughts that many held back?


R216119
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R216128
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

REMOTE CONTROL HIJACKING!


R216129
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Suitcaseman. Yah! 9/11 was too extreme and the masses are quickly learning about the plans for a New World Order.


R216132
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

I love government-sponsored surveillance. It’s really fun!


R216133
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

R216134
3 years ago
FloydAnderson

Think about your mind, and open it.
Think about your money, and analyse it.
Think about freemasons, and skull and bones, and all those assholes of a similar caliber.


R216140
3 years ago
FloydAnderson


You may not be smart.

Post Modified: 09/13/06 22:32:46

R216155
3 years ago
Mayor_McCheese

Christ Shogo, what the hell is wrong with you?

Everyone with half a brain know-nos that the WTC 7 building was demolishinded because it didn’t have an indoor McDonalds next to all teh secrat things the government needed destroyed.

McDonalds increases your property value that much.

It’s teh real reason people hit up Floyd’s moms house, you knwo that McD’s in teh basement is where it’s at.


R216160
3 years ago
neverknwo

Why did the Goverment Remove the News on thier websites about this Prior Knwoledge?

Pentagon conducted 9/11 style emergency training exercises called MASCAL


R216168
3 years ago
neverknwo

Is this enough proof of an Inside Job?


R216180
3 years ago
Ryz

R219054
3 years ago
Suitcaseman

This is for the people, who could not figure out what the significance of the blog was. Remember this is part of what I said.

No matter how many naysayers try to attack people for speaking the truth, the 911 Truth Movement is making big big strides lately, because more and more people are becoming aware of what happened on September 11th, 2001, despite great efforts by the government to keep the truth hidden.

Taking to the streets on 9/11

On the morning of 9/11, I couldn’t watch the reading of names on NY1.Not five years in a row. I clicked off the ritual of bereaved families, somber politicos and media scripters and went to work on the computer. Before I knew it, it was 1 o’clock. Something gnawed. I needed to go down to Ground Zero, at least to pay my respects to the gone. Yet what I found was very alive. Thousands of 9/11 Truth Movement members shouting,, “9/11 was an inside job, 9/11 was an inside job.” This interspersed with the raspy voice of Alex Jones booming the facts of the Towers’ demise on a bullhorn. But this was no bull. This was a whole new ballgame.

There were cordons of cops in black and blue, white shirt officers, the brass, the suits, the shooters with burp guns and helmets, tactical cops in caps. There were police cars, SUVs, double-decker tourist buses crawling down Church Street, beeping traffic streaming up it, both sides lined with protestors in front of the PATH train entrance, the entrance to the hole, Ground Zero, visitors gawking, some raising fists, with or against us.

But above all the chant went on: “9/11 was an inside job, 9/11 was an inside job.” I slipped inside the passionate crowd of protestors whose black t-shirts were lettered in white: “Investigate 9/11.” Suddenly, that warm September sun, that cloudless sky, that 9/11 day, felt good again. We were alive and kicking.

Some passersby looked dumfounded that such a thought could be spoken: “9/11 was an inside job.” Others smiled, like someone finally got up the guts to say it out loud. Some screamed back, “Don’t help the terrorists.” One provocateur tried to start a fight. He was shooed away. The two sides of the street echoed the chant.

And to the north, silver green, glassy, shining, the new Tower 7, lucky Larry’s baby, looked down, ominously alone if not mostly empty, reminding us it never was hit by a plane, but somehow “was pulled,” and somehow was the first and only Tower to be rebuilt. After all, Larry owned it, not just leased it like the other buildings, and managed to make upwards of $500 million on its rebuilding. It is now the headquarters of Silverstein Properties.

Larry’s exact words were . . .“I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse.” Ah, “someone said to pull it.”
Someone asked, “Is that Tower 7?” I said, “Yes. And that’s Vesey Street. South of it used to be Tower 6, the Customs House building; behind it the North Tower, behind that the South Tower.” I spoke in the faint lulls in the chants and Alex’s voice. Two young guys asked me more questions. I was happy to answer. Others chimed in. We had a chat room before you knew it. Everyone had info, nothing had gone unnoticed.

Democracy was still alive if seriously wounded in America. And this was what I was yearning to hear and see, the public voice raised to max volume. The tiers of police were hearing it, too, as were firemen. One near us wore a faint smile that said in silence, “Jesus, they know about the cutter charges, the explosions, top and bottom.” Yes, we knew about it.

Facts and figures, bits of newspeak and irony passed back and fourth. After all, this was the crowd that had showed up at St Marks Church, starting Friday night at 7 pm to hear about “9/11 As Pretext For Afghanistan and Iraq Invasions.” To hear Alfons Olzsewski, 9/11 Vets For Truth, Korey Rowe, the producer of Loose Change 2, Elaine Brower, Member of World Can’t Wait, a son currently in Iraq. That was followed by a session on “9/11 As Pretext for the Current Middle East Aggression,” with the venerable Ralph Schoenman from WBAI’s Taking Aim.

This was the crowd, too, that came from near and far for the feast of information on Saturday at 3 pm: “9/11: Presenting the Evidence,” with Jim Marrs, Tom Foti, Barry Chamish Barb Honegger, Howie Hawkins, Sander Hicks. This was the crowd that came Sunday to pack the Great Hall of Cooper Union from 1 pm on. It came for the 9/11 Breakthrough Rally. I was lucky enough to attend with some friends.

The speakers were Professors Judy Wood, Steven Jones and Jim Fetzer. And there was Jesse Richard, Ralph Schoenman, Jim Marrs, Wayne Madsen, not to mention Kevin Barrett, Ian Wood, Faiz Kahn, Dr. Robert Bowman, Lynn Pentz, Car Person, Les Jamieson, and Fr. Frank Morales of St. Mark’s Church, all of whom have made important contributions to 9/11 Truth.
After the dinner break, Alex Jones delivered a progress report on activities and a sneak preview of the final cut of Loose Change, with new interviews and research. LC’s creators were there, Dylan Avery, Jason Berman, Korey Rowe, along with the 9/11 music artist Immortal Technique.

It was communion and confirmation with everything one had read and thought and/or written about. It was a transformation that made one feel there was still intelligent life on earth, that you weren’t a lone nut imagining all this. No wonder I had the blues Monday morning trying to watch the TV. In fact, I couldn’t go near it all weekend. A lot of Chinese food and my friends who’d attended helped Sunday night, everyone buzzing back and forth across the table, ideas flying about like the chicken and broccoli.

I was seeing people come alive. Come out of the stupor of 9/11 on this fifth anniversary. I was seeing transcendence over the phony movies, the CNN Situation Room, the Bush butt-kissing, the drone of talking heads, the glitzy computer graphics, stupid experts, wooden suits, the lot of them. What a pleasure to touch base with reality. Therefore, I was feeling the danger of the USAPATRIOT Act, the corruption of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. That this march could be taken away, that these people could be arrested and prosecuted at someone’s whim.

But what a pleasure to be on the street with this battalion of brave souls, shattering the silence, giving those souls in the air reason to live again. The purpose was to honor their horrific passing with the truth, to break through the lies, the same that had hung over us like the nuclear-pulverized clouds of the Towers. The concrete dust, radiation, and asbestos contamination had fallen in the lungs of first responders, of those fleeing from the buildings, of those helping others to live, many of them dying as we spoke against this ongoing apocalypse that had calcified the city and nation for so long.

Here we were, marching from Ground Zero across Maiden Lane east to Broadway. I thought of Dr. William Pepper, who had spoken on Sunday. He was the great human rights lawyer who had stayed with the Martin Luther King case for 25 years and finally won a civil suit for the King family against the CIA, Army Intelligence, FBI and Memphis Police. The jury, thanks to his hard work, had found them not James Earle Raye guilty for the assassination of King. In addition, they government had to award the King family the $1 financial remuneration it had asked for, for that priceless life that it and the world lost.

On Sunday, Pepper had said, “You’ve spoken the truth to power, you’ve provided the evidence, and it has not mattered to those in power. Now it’s time to go to Washington, notify them you’re coming, then come, build a camp in Washington, let thousands come, let celebrities come and protect you. And everyday, go to Congress, to the representatives, the senators, go to their meetings, bring up your issues, and show them your evidence. And don’t leave till you are heard and something is done.” Those words, as far-fetched as they might sound to some, echoed in my ears as the real deal.

Out here on Broadway, it seemed like we were taking a first step. I turned to the left and there was the bank of Brown Brothers Harriman, as bold as day. As the chants continued, I turned to a marcher and said, “That’s the bank Prescott Bush and his father-in-law George Herbert Walker used to finance the Nazis.” And the marcher turned back and said, “Right, with the Union Bank and the Fritz Thyssen German Military Industrial Complex.” I said, “Roosevelt shut them down in 1942, seized their assets,” and the marcher said, “Under the Trading with the Enemy Act.” Right. There was no dumb stare, no dropped mouth. He knew. They knew. And those that didn’t, listened, heard.

And what amazed me was that Brown Brothers Harriman was still there, its white type face boldly set on a brown (as in brown shirt) background, sprung back like the ideology of the elites itself. And now Bush Jr. was co-opting the language of fascists and Nazis to apply to those who fought back against him and his morally bankrupt friends and worshippers. What irony.
But the march snaked on, blocks long, the signs bobbing, the voices rising over the traffic, the elaborate police escort, over the stares of the afternoon crowds, reaching the high windows of office buildings where faces peered, wondering what was going on. Democracy was going on, the right to assemble, the right to protest, the right to grab the country back from the criminal syndicate that swiped it.

We arrived at 120 Broadway, which had been home to that sordid political past dating back to 1917. Today it is one of Silverstein Properties, proclaimed by two silver plaques, one on each side of the guarded doorways. And the chant suddenly changed to “Pull It, Pull It, Pull It, Pull It,” echoing Silverstein’s order “to pull” his Tower 7 eight hours after the first two Towers fell. But how could “they pull it” without weeks of preparation? Setting up the 47 story building for its fall couldn’t be managed in a matter of hours.

Again some people stopped, without a clue. Others gave us the power fist. Tourists gawked, thinking what the hell was this (America, I thought) as others frowned, as if making a ruckus was bad form. Be nice. Don’t blow the gray ashes of 9/11 off the streets and the buildings, the headstones in the graveyard of Trinity Church. Don’t wake the dead to haunt those ‘getting on with their lives.’

Yes, that was what we were told. Giuliani said, “Go to a ballgame. Get on with your lives.” And let him scoop up the evidence, steal it away and smelt some of it in some distant nation; the mayor who had placed his Office of Emergency Management on the 23rd floor of Tower 7, supposedly a secure bunker next to the most desired target in the Western world. The mayor who knew the building was to be pulled and was out on the streets playing president by 9:15 am.

But now, in spite of all, life had returned to Broadway. And the buildings looked at us and the church and the ghosts in the air. And the word passed to move on, around the corner towards Elliott Spitzer’s offices, located on the upper floors of 120 Broadway. We called to him, raised our voices, to the would-be governor of New York, the same who’s had the 9/11 evidence since October 2004, presented by Justice for 9/11. It is the basis for a suit against the government on behalf of the people of New York, those murdered and injured on 9/11, including the victim’s families. But Spitzer never responded. Busy campaigning?

And as we stood there, the bankers buzzed by in their suits. As did the nervous traders and brokers from the nearby Stock Exchange, cordoned off with permanent and concrete police barriers. Here the cobblestone streets were narrow, old as the Republic, and now shadowed by the huge buildings of commerce, shuffling millions, billions, trillions of dollars electronically around the earth, to hell and back, with a couple of trillions each year for laundering, at least a half-billion from drug money, to keep the market bubble afloat. Then, like bad blood, it would be infused into the economy again. In fact, corporate America was addicted to drug money and money laundering.

A young man with a strong Irish accent turned to me, looked up and said, “My god, it’s like a giant graveyard. You can’t see the sky. No light seeps in. I can’t imagine working here. What must this do to people who work here?” I pointed to the granite columned façade of the Stock Exchange and said, “This is where the magic happens, my friend. This is where the money’s made and lost. Where America rises and falls. Where the rich get richer and the poorer get fired. It’s a maze. And right now we’re trapped in it.” “Well, it’s a maze of a graveyard,” he said. We agreed.

We wound through the narrow sidewalks and streets past tiny shops, delis, pizza stands, side by side with the huge buildings. The black and white battalion chanted, raised their signs. And people came out to look, to support and chastise. A few young hoods threw hard looks at us and got big smiles back. A few firemen outside a bar, maybe one too many thrown back, gave us hard looks as well. There was an exchange of words but all remained cool.

We came out of the graveyard maze at Park Row, skirting the park and City Hall, bunkered with police cars, the new normal, facing the parking lot of rush hour Brooklyn Bridge, oh harp and altar of the fury fused, with cop cars flashing red lights, creating that unsettling feeling of police state of mind New York.

We headed towards the court buildings, walked under a giant walkway arch connecting two buildings, in which the chant, “9/11 was an inside job” amplified exponentially, as if another thousand voices had been added. We exited into One Police Plaza, police headquarters, greeted by a new band of black and blue uniforms. Oh boy.
Alex Jones had been stopping all along the way to give brief press interviews, between belting out speeches, literally for hours. He spit out very fact you could think of concerning the explosions, the conspiracy of NORAD, the CIA, to fill the sky with planes for a dozen terror drills, to totally confuse the FAA and the air traffic controllers, the total breakdown of all reactive systems, of a half a trillion dollar a year intelligence machine intended to protect us. Now Jones was sitting on a brick bench surrounded by 9/11 Truthers and interviewers. He looked tired but undaunted. This time some young guy got up on a stone embankment and began to speak.

I can only paraphrase his appeal. It went something like this: “We haven’t come here to antagonize the police. Our purpose is to find justice, to reveal the true perpetrators who took the lives of their fellow policemen and other victims on 9/11. And we expect when the full truth is revealed that the police will be marching side by side with us.” A huge round of applause rose from the marchers. Would that we could diffuse this animosity between citizens and centurions in the bitter Pax Americana.
The speaker continued, “We know you have lost friends, maybe family members, men and women who worked close with you. Some with us today have too. My brother-in-law was a cop. I don’t think we’re all that different inside.” He stood there, a guy in his 30s, above the crowd, like a coach speaking to a team, encouraging the players to work together to win. It was the last thing I expected. No more fiery rhetoric or stunning facts. Just one man speaking from the heart to the heart.
The 9/11 crowd burst out in applause and cheers when he finished. The police blinked. One senior guy in a suit wrote down what he heard. Was that a sign of emotion, of being touched? Maybe the 9/11 Breakthrough broke through again. After his words, the speaker thanked us all for attending and asked us to disperse, to home or to St. Marks Church for some refreshment.

At that point, Alex Jones got up to remind the crowd that Tuesday, the next day, we should all gather at the offices of the Council on Foreign Relations at 58 East 68th Street near Park Avenue.
The CFR, Jones explained, was the uber organization that pulled all the strings.

William Blasé writing in The Conspiracy Archive, describes the CFR and the New World Order this way: “If one group is effectively in control of national governments and multinational corporations; promotes world government through control of media, foundation grants, and education; and controls and guides the issues of the day; then they control most options available. The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and the financial powers behind it, have done all these things, and promote the “New World Order,” as they have for over seventy years.

“The CFR is the promotional arm of the Ruling Elite in the United States of America. Most influential politicians, academics and media personalities are members, and it uses its influence to infiltrate the New World Order into American life. Its’ “experts” write scholarly pieces to be used in decision making, the academics expound on the wisdom of a united world, and the media members disseminate the message.” So this was the key organization for all concerned to know about.”

Having received our marching orders, we turned, walked out under the huge arch from One Police Plaza towards Broadway, one of Walt Whitman’s favorite streets, spanning the length of Manhattan. Somewhere in the great beyond, America’s greatest poet (and lover of Mannahattan) winked at us for a day well spent, for grief redressed, for coming together, for raising voices, for taking a step towards unification.

And, as a postscript, it is a cruel irony though not a surprise that the 9/11 Truthers were equated in August by CNN reporter Christiane Amanpour with the “sky terrorists liquid explosive plotters” (whatever happened to them). This was as Paul Joseph Watson wrote in the linked article, “The latest brazen attempt to vilify anyone who disagrees with the official 9/11 fairytale. “Other recent 9/11 hit pieces have slandered the 9/11 truth movement as having a violent extremist undertone. No incidents of violence at any 9/11 truth convergence or protest have ever occurred and organizers consistently advocate purely peaceful demonstrations.” I second that.

So, at the end of the day, the face of disinformation would continue to shill for the terror-meisters, both of whom were building their private illicit fortunes expounding this crap. Thus if it takes taking to the streets to dispel it, we must do it. If it takes bringing the tents and the thousands to Washington to set the record straight, we must do it. Whatever it takes for peace, love, harmony to return, we must do it. But pitch in, America. The time for action is short. Freedom is an incomparable and exhilarating feeling. But once lost, it takes lifetimes to recover.

Jerry Mazza is a freelance writer, born bred, breathing New York. Reach him at gvmaz@verizon.net.

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